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Comments about motorist vsThere are 100 comments about "motorist vs"
EvilGentleman: Two years and a few months later, this article still defines several different conflicts in a way that few if any articles can.
{Motorists} vs {Cyclists}
{Road Rage} vs {Radical Activism}
{Male} vs {Female}
{Entitled} vs {Empowered}
The article that...... Michelle: I found citynoise after the cyclist/motorist incident that took place in Kensington market here in Toronto. Ever since then I've been hooked!... serlingrod: Do people even bike alot in NYC? I've taken my bike on the Chinatown Bus from Philly to NY many a times, and every visit I'm always amazed at how few fellow bikers I see....... CartLegger: here's some more historical background, compliment's of PBS POV program--the Spambot won't let me attach a link, so read below:
Barren Island, which appears on few modern maps, holds a special place in the city's garbage...... jeeff: it's only right to link to hool's infamous [[2770:motorist vs courier]].... EvilGentleman: I would agree with the majority of what has been said, but I will state my opinions on each issue, so it becomes obvious where I stand.
I think the best way to have notification on...... Cameo: The cabbies' fault no doubt... They are by far the worst drivers on the roads in this city. They are a menace to both cyclist, pedestrian and other motorists. Two days ago...... EvilGentleman: awesome, as far as the city-sorting goes.
the peter-kebab is something else, all right. Good artwork, not so sure about the pose, mind you. LOL And the upper lip area looks a bit Fuhrer-like... or worse...... EvilGentleman: Hmmm, chiamatt's question brings up some valid points. My instinctive response would be to say that providing parking at establishments that serve alcohol is inviting people to drink and drive, and therefore should not be...... EvilGentleman: So if I get this right, anon from Hawaii is of the belief that we should not let our emotions guide our actions, but should instead do nothing. Yet this inaction should require that we...... EvilGentleman: Holy crap, hool! Motorist vs Courier has almost 400 000 hits now? Just imagine if the thread was still going, how far it would have gotten by now. I think the editors would have had...... hool: only 393239 hits to go until this surpasses motorist vs courier.
i'm still going with schroedinger’s cat as the explanation. it was a scientist simply wishing to demonstrate some principles of quantum physics.... EvilGentleman: Thanks, Catherine. I just hope this cat in GGP's pictures was already dead of causes not related to the iceman's doing, it would make the whole thing a lot easier to digest that way.
Judging from...... S: I think Drea makes a good point. Unless these smokers were stupid enough to provide ID with their name and home address, what's stopping these people from giving a false name?. That's like issuing a...... Peter: wow, what a comprehensive entry, eg! it sure tells a story.
i tried to take some similar shots of some very aggressive cops in front of {newark penn station} (issuing tickets to people parked in no-standing...... EvilGentleman: The great irony is that it was hool's motorist vs courier post which grabbed attention on the CBC News website, and I followed the link here. After making an ass out of myself in that...... EvilGentleman: Elicar, I remember one Toronto experience that absolutely terrified me. I think it was back in 1977 or 1978, My mother took me up to the top of the CN tower (Dad stayed below to...... jeeff: today during the 10 minute walk home from the grocery store i counted tim hortons cups that i saw on the ground. i saw 13. there is no tim hortons in the neighbourhood....... EvilGentleman: I have to agree that citynoise has opened up a new world to me, and has allowed me to express myself in ways I never considered before. I am so thankful that CBC provided the...... jeeff: i wonder if they'll incorporate littering motorists somehow...... Micah: 27 - Motorists who are ignorant of and/or actively hostile to cyclists.
28 - Um, pollution?... EvilGentleman: You gotta do one on the rage boy from hool's [[2770:motorist vs courier]]... Rodney: Biking is awesome and you don't need a hi end bike to do it. Changed my life in many ways, helped me shed excess weight and has almost become a Zen trip for me.
Pity riders...... non-motorist: People need to get over their obsession with cars. It fuels the rampant "need" for parking spots.... Catherine Penfold-Waxman: Harry and Benjamin, recently Hool was accused of faking a fight between a [[2770:motorist and a courier]], much to the amusement of those who know (and love) his work.
... anon (pool-70-110-175-85.phil.east.verizon.net): the motorist is a dick. plain and simple. he did a dicky thing, and he got called on it. and then the prick couldn't handle the retribution and had to beat on a girl. super...... mtb4ever: I've read through many of these postings and am astounded at some of your comments. On the subject of what started the whole thing - littering. Mad Max actually said, "So he littred big...... Media_Baron: Why should the courier or the motorist lose their jobs?
Neither of them were working at the time of the incident.... Litter did I Know: If any Driver/person/biker throws litter on the ground/ out their window into to my path, I am always ready to regift it to them. I don't need to throw it at them but if they...... bennet: I have met the blonde in white vest (she’s prettier in person). I know he doesn’t beat her but seeing these pictures showing how bad his temper is:I advise her to RUN, & fast!!!...... Vancouver Cyclist: Any chance of the Morotorist and the Cyclist getting together with Hool to shoot some pictures and talking this out?
Let's assume that both are sorry for their actions.
And that we all agree that littering is...... Media_Baron: Adam Krawesky (aka hool) is the guy who took those photos.
He says that "Motorist" got a baseball bat from the trunk and came toward him.
A "good man"?
... Mike: Leah = NDP or The Good!
Motorist = Conservative or The Bad!... Amerikanski: Hey Sidney- if I toss a biodgradable out my window (assuming I'm not cursing/aiming at you at the same time, for good reason), it's all good. 'Wipe my face' with it and you will have...... Mach: I dont get it then. I pick up after people sometimes. Its no problem. I help keep my hood clean. Many cities have Adopt a Street projects, where they conduct weekly cleanups of streets they...... Monster: Mach, your point is to talk to this guy? I'd agree with you nine tenths of the time but I've had this happen right out side my doorway in Vancouver and it's frustrating, watching...... We don't have these problems in Vancouver: Kudos to the motorist...Who does this woman think she is? Mother Earth's right hand lady. Honestly, if she had a problem with the litter, why not throw it in the trash. Its...... Jestersgears: First things first, people, the street is NOT a garbage can, despite what 90% of the world thinks.
Second, Don't start nothing, there wont be nothing.
There's probably a whole lot of things that led...... Neo: "That's Leah, a Toronto courier. I'm a former courier, now dispatching. She was defending her space, and this guy attacks her. Typical behaviour of a motorist."
Her space? Come on now.. the road system is designed...... GOGI: This is cracking me up.
Listen to all the people getting upset that Mr. Motorist had his garbage returned to his vehicle. OMG - his poor, precious car!!! Look, if it was just...... Jim: I took an hour to get through 1/2 of this chain (before giving up)so sorry if I'm repeating.
Leah is wrong! You can't have a city filled with people taking situations into their own hands. She...... What's Really Going On Here: Since this has become a cyclist vs motorist thing...
Helmet Cams
Just as Richard Nixon wouldn't have been nailed without the tapes, technology is available that cyclists can use to get motorists to behave. The technology...... howard stern: bike courier was wrong to throw rotten sandwich back in motorist's car. she should have called dhal kaur singh on her cell, he would be right over and pick it up off the road...... Pazop: So much hate... re: "i may be packing..beware!" - Studies have shown that Canadians are packing, but for some reason, USA folks actually use the things more for harm. F'rinstance - another...... - - -: The cyclist had a lot of guts to stand up to the motorist when he littered, and the fact that he threw it back at her was just plain wrong. This whole issue could have...... Eric the Yellow-bellied: Eric: "I'm a cyclist and a motorist, so maybe I have a unique prospective..."
WhatEVER. Many of us who are primarily cyclists also have cars -- I'll lay odds you're a motorist who owns a bike....... John: That guy is a PUSSY!! I hope someone kick his ass, piece of Sh..t bastard, he was trashing the city for God sake!! if you're reading this Mr Motorist you're a PUSSY!!! PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!... Eric: I'm a cyclist and a motorist, so maybe I have a unique prospective...I would never litter, but IF I DID, and this self righteous tree hugger threw it back in my car, I would have...... pedestrian pal: Rather than go on and on about cyclist versus motorist lets consider this. People who litter are pigs, people who seek out confrontations like this are fools or worse yet, holier than thou. ...... reality check: RE: the commments on biycycles and autos being invented at the same time... Wrong... bicycles have a far longer timeline. In fact the first paved roads in America were done so for...... Old Kensington Dog: A couple of points re. the confrontation specifically, and Kensington Market in general:
-The SUV in the photos is owned by the business accross the street, not the "Motorist". His four cylinder smaller car with...... Kd: I was there that Sat and witnessed some of the incident myself. The woman was obviously being attacked. I missed the beginning and it all happened very fast. I sensed the aggression of the motorist...... Dan: I can't believe I read this far...
Because of the notoriety of this blog entry, its not surprising to see so many trolls coming here. I have to believe that a lot of the angry people...... The one and only: That motorist should have his balls cut off. I don't think much of his girl friend if she puts up with the actions of that pig, or maybe she likes to wallow in trash. My...... Dan: That motorist should be charged with littering, fined and made to do public service like pick up the litter that "back side orifaces" like him throw on public areas. I have done the same thing...... non-motorist: White-vest girl... anybody who drives in Kensington Market isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Try getting out of your car! (Needless to say you should try getting out of your relationship also.)... Has a brain: So, who paid for the streets anyway, I'll bet it was the motorist not the cyclist. Cyclists think they own the world, but never paid for a penny of it. Expect everyone else go give...... babs: I've had two days worth of blog comments to read. What I've noticed is that there seems to be two camps of opinions. One belonging to the cyclists and one to the motorists. I...... JimboToronto: I live on Augusta Ave about a block north of where this occurred but missed it due to being out of town. I am neither a bike courier nor a motorist, but my sympathies lie...... Mac: I can't even begin to fathom the Angst and anger being displayed on here. People!!!...REALITY CHECK! Listen to yourselves "it's us against them" My God, do you even realise what your'e saying? There has to...... Armed Pacifist: It is utterly ridiculous to assume that the Police should be responsible for dealing with every single incident that occurs in daily life...this kind of thinking is sheeple mentalitality at best. Good on her that...... Kathie from Burlington: When that motorist decided to litter on the street he littered on our world, our space. When she threw the garbage back into his car, she was littering only his personal space. What...... Michelle: people:know the whole story b4 u pass judgement! I heard this is an open investigation coz the biker has done it twice b4 w/ other motorists. And the guys who attacked the motorist better report...... Chapter Cycles: Having read through all previous comments (there will no doubt be a few more) as well as all versions of the event, I am decidedly sympathetic towards the driver. I am both an avid road...... I heart kensington: Bike Couriers are some of the most vile, foul mouthed people in the city. I used to walk past them at their hangout on Temperence st. while they pounded back beers and chain-smoked weed (and...... to The "Motorists":: to The "Motorists":
Quoted from previous entries:
"What about the damage he did to our van? I suppose you people who support him would think its okay for Frank and I to stomp all over his car?...By...... Dear American Threadjacker from Detroit: First, learn to speak and write the English language properly and then come back and talk to us. You sound like a short bus kid grunting his way through a writing assignment.
Second, try to stay...... hamiltonian: Serves that courier right, the motorist threw garbage on the street. Whether she likes it or not she should mind her own business. I would have done the same as the motorist. Knocked her out....... White vest girl it's time to say sorry.: The white vest girl speaks:
And I quote her from her posted reply way back in this mess.
The "Motorists": 31st Jan 2006 - 22:26 GMT
To All The Readers,
"This is the blonde girl in the last picture....... trapped in toronto: thank you to the Crouch End Graffiti and Random Thames photographers. I love London, visit it when I have the money and stamina, and when I haven't, I bless the internet. Just discovered citynoise...... Aaron: This isn't about a cyclist vs. motorist it's about people not respecting their environment. I don't expect everyone to be a big "tree hugger" but just a little common sense and respect is all...... What's Really Going On Here: It's interesting that this is primarily a concerned citizen vs. a s***head matter, not a cyclist vs motorist issue. The reason why it has exploded as the latter is due to the decades of...... foodfight: It's the litterbug attacking the cyclist, kicking her bike and bringing her down to the ground. Not exactly a pacifist response. He obviously popped a major valve. Litterbug would have shown more self-control if the...... Illwind: Remember, cyclists have every right to the road as motorists.
In fact, motorists must yield at least half of the right lane if there is a cyclist in that lane.
Regards,
Illwind... foodfight: If property is nine-tenths of the law, wasn't Leah just returning this young man's property back to him??
She has GUTS! So many motorists idle their cars in Toronto and pay no mind to the...... Leah for mayor!: Your welcome popasmurf. I know you meant to say that the psycho motorist is not the type of person people want in the market area.....let alone in the GTA.
... Leah for mayor!: popasmuf: you said: "I love the market with the immigrant shops and fruit stands but the low-rent psedo radicals gotta go."
I could not help but noticed your mistake. Below I have corrected it for...... so right about some drivers: To the person who wrote:
"the most entitled drivers (excluding cabbies and anything oversized) are luxury sedan drivers. It is no surprise that motorist was driving an Acura."
So right!! When I'm waiting to cross the street...... I can't believe what I read!: while some people are really articulate individuals with a sense of humor and enough intelligence to make me wonder... WTF are they doing defending a guy that contravened a municipal by-law, assaulted a PERSON, and...... Unbelievable: Both parties in this are definitely ego-monsters. I agree with the above poster(Sault Ste. Marie) and many others. The courier should have taken down the plate number and reported the motorist, and picked up the...... Forkmiester: Ya know, having been a cyclist and a motorist in tarrana, i do understand his fustrations and hers. But when you look at the situation:
- he litters by throwing out garbage from his window. Arse....... Sault Ste. Marie Guy: I came to this webb site to satisfy my curiosity. The story was broadcasted on CBC radio 1. I believe both parties are douche bags.
First for the courier to throwing the burger at the...... RCH: Toronto motorists are allowed to pollute the air with impunity. Isn't it a bit inconsistent to expect better behaviour with regard to litter? ;}... Editor: **Comments with links to any person's contact information (phone number, address, etc.) have been and will continue to be deleted with extreme prejudice. This website is an open forum, where users can post under...... The Awards: Devon – for making me laugh the hardest (shouldn’t have been reading your posting at work)
She had it coming – for being the least articulate, most ignorant and least intelligent individual I’ve had the displeasure...... 4 mode observation: This incident is an excellent example of some of the worst features of human behaviour and the consequences that result from the actions of those who are misguided and self indulgent enough to believe they...... jeeff: if you have comments to post about the motorist vs. courier article, post them in that article. this article and any comments accompanying it (including this one) will be deleted by admins asap.... Jesus Freak: Hey, like why would anyone want to cause anger and strife. Though i feel that the courier was justly upset, i think that the better thing would be to have picked it up thrown...... Joey: I thought this was 2006? What's with all the chauvinistic women haters on here? Let me clarify a few things here that some of you seem to be forgetting (which I know firsthand)
1. Alex threw...... Devon: As a motorist and a cyclist (double agent) throwing garbage back is a little agressive and you're asking for a fight. I had someone d0 the same thing with a McDonald's cup and I...... EvilGentleman: As a motorist who loves long drives as well as a person who loves cycling, I find the comments pitting motorists on one side vs. cyclists on the other to be totally missing the point...... Buzz Hargrove: First of all, I agreed with the Motorist. That Cyclist was picking up garbage off the street. That is a union job she's doing. Leave the garbage picking to the CUPE Local...... Sean M: Bad all around.
1) Driver for (allegedly) throwing out garbage.
2) Idiot cyclist for throwing it back at him (C'mon, it's biodegradable, not like a cigarette butt).
3) Both of them for escalating this beyond reason....... Carlos: The motorist is an idiot. He got exactly what he deserved. Instead of walking to a garbage can or holding onto his garbage until he could dispose of it in its proper place...... Ms. Thang: No matter what the driver says( if indeed that was his post)look at your face buddy. Really, nothing more needs to be said.
I started cycling in Toronto back in 1980; it was bad then,...... Clublander: I'm sure I saw the motorist making out with a different chic (dark hair) on Richmond two weekendz ago. It was in an alley. I stumbled across them while looking for a place...... Torontonian : aHAHAaah!!dis has got to be the funniest thing i ever read!! The courier lady has issues bout keeping the world clean..and the motorist has problems wid anger…anger iz trouble dude..loose it..its gonna cost ya ppl!!...... taylor192: Concerning the comment: Argent47: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:01 GMT
Somehow throwing litter on public property is just littering, throwing it on private property is destruction of private property. If you throw your cigarette out, expect...... Both sides: I have read/heard both side of the story. Unfortunately, the "motorist's" side was stated by his fiancé and not by him, as the actual participant. Both sides are plausible but I am still...... Jonesitis: Clearly this is not a case of motorist vs. cyclist. It is a prime example of urban vs. suburban lifestyle. In suburbia, it is OK to disrespect the envinronment, and people you don't......
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