Dawson CGEP Shooting

chiamattt: 14th Sep 2006 - 14:06 GMT

for some reason, I choose to not pay close attention to this news item. It's not that I don't care. I think it's that when, as you say, it hits close to [home]" it says a lot of how 'globalized' we really aren't. I think what happened in Montreal is tragic, but far worse is happening and the majority don't consider earth close to home.

anyway, I do like the fact that posts were made about it on citynoise.

joey: 14th Sep 2006 - 23:33 GMT

my belief that canada is a safer and more sane civiliaztion than america was shattered by this news item

EvilGentleman: 15th Sep 2006 - 00:39 GMT

Canada is generally safer. This incident has frightened everyone, and reminded us of some of the worst-case scenarios resulting from being in a very public environment, but the reality is, this was a one-off event. Montreal Island averages about 50 murders a year these days, with a population of about 2 million. That translates into a one in 40 thousand chance of getting murdered in any given year. Few American cities can claim such a low murder rate.

jack: 15th Sep 2006 - 13:45 GMT

no one in new york ever brought a gun to school and killed someone, how about those facts, plato.

Sirhcbre: 15th Sep 2006 - 16:31 GMT

But how many kids have been shot and killed on their walk home from school? Although New York is getting better, I'm sure you'll find it has a higher murder rate than Montreal.

Susannah: 15th Sep 2006 - 17:32 GMT

I think hopelessness and senseless violence are a global issue, whatever form it takes.

EvilGentleman: 15th Sep 2006 - 17:46 GMT

plato says:
New York implemented new rules about confiscating firearms after a 1992 school shooting in Brooklyn left two students dead. www.cnn.com/US/9805/22/school.reduced.violence/. The new rules failed in 2002, when 2 more students were shot. www.keystosaferschools.com/Students_Concerned21502.htm

It seems that New York still has school shootings, but hey, maybe you can put up a sign that says "Welcome to New York City - School shooting free for 4 years and counting"

Susannah: 15th Sep 2006 - 18:10 GMT

When I lived in NY as a kid I remember shootings, stabbings, razor bladings, and all out smack downs in our schools, one kid was actually blinded with battery acid by some guy - of course this was in the 70's. More recently, I recall there was a serial rapist in just about every neighborhood in NY that I ever lived in, and I lived in quite a few. Before my daughter was born I worked in Manhattan (I think 2002). One day I went to lunch and there was blood all over the sidewalk, right in the middle of midtown. Apparently some vagrant decided to split a young woman's head open with a brick. My husband witnessed a couple of kids beat another kid to death during one of the St. Patricks Day Parades (this was right in front of his office which was in the environs of the Waldorf - jam packed with tourists and police). Anyone who doesn't think NY is a violent place really needs to get out of town a little more often.

sine: 22nd Sep 2006 - 23:40 GMT

is the lowest among the 25 largest cities in the United States. Since 1991, New York City has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by 75% in the last twelve years and the murder rate in 2005 was at its lowest level since 1963: there were 537 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.57 per 100,000 people, compared to 2245 murders in 1990. Some feel that the implementation of COMPSTAT crime analysis by the New York Police Department in 1994 is responsible for the positive changes.

sine: 22nd Sep 2006 - 23:45 GMT

NYC Murder Rates By Year:

1990 2245
1991 2154
1992 1995
1993 1946
1994 1561
1995 1178
1996 983
1997 769
1998 633
1999 676
2000 708
2001 649
2002 575
2003 597
2004 572
2005 530

susannah: 27th Sep 2006 - 13:20 GMT

I was talking to a friend just the other day about how the NYC crime statistics don't really make sense based on what we have personally experienced, I mean, what are the odds? And he told me he was sitting in a cab in midtown in the middle of the afternoon with a gun to his head - just last year. I think the cops have done an excellent job of getting guns off the street over the last 15 years or so (my last gun incident was in 1994 in Grammercy Park) but I still have trouble believing its as safe as where I now live. Over the years I've just seen too much, I'm not even sure if it matters to me that things are better, I will always associate NYC with violence.

stephanie: 30th Oct 2006 - 23:40 GMT

i think that the dawsoon shooting was horrifing and since my sister was shoot well. . .