Free Man?

jack: 11th Mar 2006 - 19:32 GMT

he is the only black guy around. why would he do something wrong in an all white area. its like a french fry robbed a bank in the onion ring city, "attention, be on the lookout for a french fry, all units respond" and in the city all you see are onion rings and there he is a french fry just walking along and wondering, why there are'nt other french fries. and they're all boston fans to boot.

EvilGentleman: 11th Mar 2006 - 22:21 GMT

I see jack caught the real reason for the man's arrest, but is being his usual subtle self about it. To wear a Yankees cap in the land of the Jays is a crime unto itself. Toronto takes its sports loyalties seriously. I mean, can you imagine if the word got out that the Yankees are the winningest team in pro sports? Total chaos may ensue, as people start jumping on the bandwagon. Thankfully, we do not have such fickle fans here in Montreal. Our Expos were the only baseball team here, but unfortunately, only 2% of people here know what baseball is, so we now have to go to Washington to see them play.

jack: 12th Mar 2006 - 17:19 GMT

actually the poor soul was jaywalking. he was rushing back home to take care of his ailing grandmother and was caught jaywalking. the police are very strong about this sort of thing.

spygirl_t: 27th Mar 2006 - 22:06 GMT

i live around the corner and I'm bad for jaywalking. I do it everyday! I like to Revolt! But I've never been questioned, much less pinned againt a cop car for it.

spygirl_t: 27th Mar 2006 - 22:08 GMT

Urban Ghost: Were you able to figure out what the reason for this was?

urbanghost: 28th Mar 2006 - 18:03 GMT

he wasn't jaywalking as jack 'jokingly' says. There was an incident amongst several youths involving a knife, and this kid was mulling around the area refusing to leave when the police told everyone to clear out. Eventually he spit on the ground very close to a cop's foot and that prompted the arrest.

galaxy: 28th Mar 2006 - 23:39 GMT

i'm curious which cop's shoe he almost spit on? was it the flat-topped, goatee copper? he seem's to be the most "emotional" about the ordeal. and that kid is about what...12?

urbanghost: 29th Mar 2006 - 16:56 GMT

yes it was the flattopped officer. and yes he was about 12-14 by my estimations.

sherri: 27th Apr 2006 - 17:50 GMT

Well kids and adults alike need to learn to respect our officers. Live a day in their shoes before you judge...

EvilGentleman: 27th Apr 2006 - 18:12 GMT

True enough, sherri. But police officers also have to learn to be in control of their emotions at all times. Powertripping or "teaching a lesson" seldom works, it tends to breed contempt, not respect. And I honestly have to wonder, if the kid was white, would he have been pinned like that? I was kind of deputized once, and I remember a high-speed chase involving ATV's on the tundra, as I tried to capture and arrest a drunken man who had assaulted his wife. I have been on enough patrols and seen both sides of enough situations involving the police (my wife is a former cop) to know that respect is a two-way street.

sherri: 27th Apr 2006 - 22:15 GMT

I can tell you that people always judge "Public Civil Servants". Try doing their job for ONE day. Get spit on, cursed at, yelled at, etc. My fiancee is a Corrections Officer at a max jail and I can tell you, the disrespect street is only ONE WAY. Anyone remeber the big uproar in the states when some bystander filmed a young black man getting arrested? The police had been "rough" when arresting him and bounced the black boys face off the hood of the car a few times. The public cried outrage only to find out that the young man that was handcuffed from behind grabbed the arresting officer by the testicles and was hurting him. Bystanders and onlookers always put their two cents in without looking at the dangers those officers put themselves in EACH and EVERY day for us, the meek and chickenshit.

EvilGentleman: 27th Apr 2006 - 22:44 GMT

During my 6 years of working as a jail guard, I saw many disrespectful acts commited by the prisoners. I have been spit on, had my children's lives threatened, and had to sustain abuse of a level that is hard to describe, and yet I still treated the prisoners with respect. I never hit one, but I did tell a few to fuck off after taking enough shit. But do NOT fucking tell me that the disrespect is one way. I have witnessed other guards and cops do things that I knew they had no right to do. I have even had to make statements to investigators about the actions of some cops I have worked with. I worked with about 25 different constables, and I would say about 20 of them were fine, decent people. But just because someone wears a fucking uniform does not mean that they automatically deserve respect. We are all human, and if a "peace" officer treats me like crap, of course I am going to be less than respectful in response. Most cops understand this, but some are just idiots who make problems for society, themselves, and police in general. Most guards and cops treat prisoners with compassion and way more patience than some of the prisoners deserve. But others have created places like Abu Ghraib. Respect IS a two-way street. You are a strange woman, sherri. Nice in some ways, radical in opposite directions in others. A right-wing PETA supporter? Bizarre...

By the way, tell your opinion to some African-American elders and see what happens. And back when my reserve was in conflict with Canada, I saw uniformed police commit human rights violations that are not even permitted by the Geneva Convention. I have personally been assaulted by police, and even when I later worked for a different force as a guard, I was pepper-sprayed by my own co-worker, albeit by accident (or more realistically, his carelessness). I saw police mistreat a woman who was in an ambulance, hemhorraging after a childbirth. And yet my own wife once wore their same uniform, so I guess you can see I have an open mind. But as far as automatic respect goes, hell no! You want my respect, you gotta earn it, same as anyone else. Treat me fairly, and like a human being, and I will respect the authority entrusted to a peace officer. Abuse me, and do not be surprised if I have an attitude problem.

If your fiancee is respectful and gets treated poorly in response, he has my full sympathies. I know full well how shitty that feels. But if he expects and demands respect automatically, you should dump him, because he is power tripping, and that will turn against you after the wedding. I have no idea which typw of man he is, but I hope he is the type we need. Decent, caring and respectable. The other type, they need to be fired, they make society more fragile, and create tensions, which in turn leads to more crimes.

sherri: 1st May 2006 - 19:00 GMT

Hey EvilGentleman, yes, I AM a PETA supporter. There should be more people like me. The more people I meet, the more I like my 4 spca dogs and 2 cats!

sherri: 1st May 2006 - 19:01 GMT

And my fiancee is VERY decent. It's a shame that a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch in some respects.

sherri: 1st May 2006 - 19:03 GMT

Anyone remeber this:...
Anyone remeber the big uproar in the states when some bystander filmed a young black man getting arrested? The police had been "rough" when arresting him and bounced the black boys face off the hood of the car a few times. The public cried outrage only to find out that the young man that was handcuffed from behind grabbed the arresting officer by the testicles and was hurting him. Bystanders and onlookers always put their two cents in without looking at the dangers those officers put themselves in EACH and EVERY day for us, the meek and chickenshit.

Peter: 1st May 2006 - 19:22 GMT

sherri: you mean sort of like you put in your two-cents without giving any credence to the very real dangers to which the heavy-handed/overly-aggressive elements of law enforcement subject random citizens?

or even better yet, the dangers that any minority faces at the hands of law enforcement who have displayed a clear, documented phenomenon of treating minorities more unfairly (and with much more force) than their non-minority counterparts?

i, for one, have encountered heavy-handed police interactions on several occasions. its scary how power and strength can go to some people's heads!

its an absurdity to imply that any officer of the law should be exempt from proper compassionate behaviour (or given some sort of dispensation) simply due to the risk that their job- a job they willingly chose- carries.

think about what youre saying. thats scary...

more than a few?: 1st May 2006 - 20:04 GMT

cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_033170755.html

EvilGentleman: 2nd May 2006 - 04:28 GMT

Whoa, good article. Kudos to the Tallahassee CBS crew for that one.

You should have seen the some of the things I have seen, like a terrifying high-speed chase with the Surete du Quebec (formerly the Quebec Provincial Police) in 1990 where they continually tried to ram me off the road without warning, and - here's the freaky part - their badges were covered, and they never used their flashing lights or sirens, and even their headlights were off! (even though it was 11 PM and pitch-black outside, and the chase was on back roads) No way in hell was I stopping for those nuts, who knows where my body would have been found? I managed to get away from them by getting to a safe zone where we had Warriors with guns who had to shoot over their heads to scare them away. The bastards managed to get me the following week, but they had to call in 5 other cars (3 Surete and 2 RCMP) to box me in, which meant too many witnesses, so I only got a beating and a bunch of trumped-up charges after they rammed me off the road. They claimed I rammed them, the fuckers. However the dangerous driving I committed while trying to escape them... well, guilty as charged. And why were they trying to pull me over in the first place? They claimed that I had my high-beams on. The damn car had halogen headlights, if I had the high-beams on, they would have been too blind to chase me.

EvilGentleman: 2nd May 2006 - 04:49 GMT

Oh, and Sherri... you mentioned the story about the black boy getting his faced smashed after he allegedly grabbed the cop by the balls. Here is how the law works, since you seem so intent on seeing it enforced. If the boy grabbed the cop by the balls, that is Assault on a Peace Officer or whatever the equivalent charge is in whatever state this happened in. The cop should immediately have reported this and charged the kid. If a cop commits an offense in response to an assault, it is still assault, and possibly even Aggravated Assault on a Minor.

While there are laws that permit police to use deadly force, etc, there are NO laws that allow police to assault citizens just because they are pissed off at them for assaulting them, unless the officer can make a valid case that his life or the life of others were in danger. Could the cop have legally broken the kids hand to make him let go? Probably. Could the cop have legally smashed the kid once to make him let go? It should be a very iffy case, but most judges would probably tolerate it, within reason. But assault as retribution for assault? That is wanton abuse of authority. Do the cops deserve more pay for the level of danger they face on a daily basis? Damn right they do. Does their being paid by the people obligate them to follow the law every bit as stringently as the people they arrest, if not even more? Damn right it does. They have to lead by example. If the example is rotten, do they really think society will just kiss their asses? Fuck no! There are many countries where the police rule by terrorizing the population and intimidating and abusing them. Our laws clearly state how that is not supposed to happen here in Canada and the USA, yet it does. And now you use an example of police brutality as an argument as to why cops should be allowed to assault people? Are you mental? Think before you type next time, you are only making it easier for us to argue with you by giving us the ammo to use on you.

sherri: 3rd May 2006 - 19:28 GMT

It is so easy to judge from the outside....Remember to Err is Human....Police officers are always under the microscope and stress gets to everyone. Afterall, WE are ALL human and people make mistakes. Just because they are officers of the law, doesn't mean that they are not human, don't get stressed, don't let some asshole get the better of them. The reason Police officers have no public backup or rights in the country are because of bleeding heart people like you. And like I said in a previous posting, we let the Bad Apples Spoil It For The Whole Bunch.......

EvilGentleman: 3rd May 2006 - 20:44 GMT

OK, this is about as ludicrous as it gets, people! I support the reinstatement of the death penalty, I support the right to bear arms, I believe law enforcement should be given a massive cash infusion, and that the laws related to sexual assaults should carry strict minimum sentencing guidelines in order to prevent predators walking free, and now I have a hippy-dippy PETA freak calling ME a bleeding heart? All because I believe that the police should not be given carte blanche to attack the civilian population? Gimme a friggin' break, lady! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, I have never seen such blatant hypocrisy in my life. And the saddest part is that I am sure you honestly do not see, nor understand, why I am saying this. You seem incapable of assimilating new information into what you have already decided you believe. That sort of thinking is outright dangerous to society as a whole, but one of the freedoms we have is the freedom to think and say what we feel, so go ahead, make a fool of yourself.

You actually think I want the police to have no rights? Have you read a single comment of mine in its entirety, or is that too much for you to handle? Maybe you forgot my own wife is a former cop? Or that I have six years of experience guarding prisoners? I want the police to be better funded, so that they may a do a better job of enforcing the law, and we will have less victims of crimes.

The point I am trying to stress here is that the police are not above the law. You seem to want us to forgive their "little" transgressions here and there, never mind the fact that it erodes the very fabric of democratic society. If we are to be forgiving of the cop who abuses his position of trust, should we also be forgiving of the postal worker who cracks under the stress and shoots up his workplace? Should we be be extra forgiving of crimes commited by neurological surgeons and air traffic controllers, based on the fact that they have some of the world's most stressful jobs? And perhaps the bomb squad cops should be allowed to pound on the administrative cops since the bomb squad guys deal with more stress? Fuck that shit! The police have to live with stress just like the rest of us. Deal with it!

And as far as no public backup or rights goes, you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about. If I were to kill a cop anywhere in North America, the penalty would be far more severe than if I killed a homeless guy sleeping on a park bench. And I have personally witnessed a police force get in over its head, so the Army was called in to back them up. In the USA, that is what the National Guard is for. Backup! You spout crap like you know what you are saying, but it sounds to me like someone told you stuff, and you believe everything you are told without bothering to check the facts. Now that you know where we disagree, let me state that the vast majority of Police officers I have dealt with have been good decent people. You are right, a few bad apples spoil it for the whole bunch. So why the fuck are you defending the bad apples? Think, think, THINK! Sorry for my hostility, but I have little patience for narrow minds. We desperately need cops, but we need GOOD cops more than anything. Help us make things right for all of us.

sherri: 4th May 2006 - 16:18 GMT

EvilGentleman, take a deep breath and have a coffee. As for defending the bad apples, YOU are defending the criminals.

EvilGentleman: 4th May 2006 - 16:21 GMT

Am I? Think about it, if you are capable of opening your mind, even a tiny bit.

EvilGentleman: 4th May 2006 - 16:23 GMT

How am I defending criminals? By stating that I do not feel the police have the right to beat them for revenge? Nobody else has that right, why should cops be any different?

sherri: 4th May 2006 - 19:00 GMT

That's where you and I differ. The VICTIMS SHOULD have the right.

EvilGentleman: 4th May 2006 - 20:07 GMT

So you are a firm believer in an eye for and all that crap, I guess. You must be madly in love with George W Bush. But we have laws to stop people like you, which must drive you crazy. Especially since you are so much in favour of allowing the police to be above the law. If the world was all an eye for an eye, we would have no need for a justice system, and your fiance would have no prisoners to guard. You must be a really confused person, you seem to contradict even yourself. But it sounds to me like you are very willing to jump into an argument even though you have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about. So just keep defending the abusers, and don't be surprised when things go badly for you.

EvilGentleman: 4th May 2006 - 20:09 GMT

Of course, all my talk is for nothing, if the person I am talking to cannot understand words with more than two syllables.

EvilGentleman: 6th May 2006 - 00:50 GMT

Oh, I almost forgot, sorry. In reference to the link you posted, it is most definitely a horrific crime, and I very much hope that the people responsible face the full weight of the law for what they have done. Unfortunately, the crime was committed in Canada, which means that the killers will most likely walk free one day. Too bad we do not have a death penalty anymore, we sure need it. My heart goes out to the family of Windsor Police officer John Atkinson, particularly his two children.

You see, sherri, this is why I am unsure if you understand what I am talking about a lot of the time. We have taken a simple issue and debated it to the point that we are hurling insults at one another, despite the fact that we agree more than disagree, when it comes to the need to protect police, or the need to impose stiffer penalties in the courts. A lot of the time, I have actually agreed with you, yet you continue to argue. The only way I do not agree with you is when it comes to allowing the police to break the very laws they are supposed to be defending. Look at it this way, if you will. If a police officer assaults a suspect in the course of arresting him, it can often lead to a judge throwing the charges out, even if they are serious. If a cop wants a criminal to stay behind bars, then they have to forget about their personal emotions and do the arrest "by the book" so that the charges will stick. This is called good police work. Tempting though it may be for a cop to "get a punch in on behalf of the victim", or stuff like that, it is far better to just do the arrest using the proper procedures. what we need is better laws, so that the police will not keep having to arrest the same offenders over and over, just because some idiot judge let them out after their 5th sexual assault charge, and stupid things like that.

This is how I feel, it has always been how I feel. Why do you continue to argue with me? And while the shooting of the police officer in Windsor is horrible, what does it have to do with allowing cops to beat up people? If anything, cops beating people will only increase the risk to their brothers of the badge, since a criminal who has been beaten up is very likely to use other means of combat the next time.

Elicar: 6th May 2006 - 02:28 GMT

Jeeff, you just gave me a belly laugh!

My thoughts exactly.

EvilGentleman: 6th May 2006 - 02:37 GMT

What is it that I have done that is getting all the Toronto people upset?

EvilGentleman: 6th May 2006 - 02:46 GMT

I would prefer a nasty debate to cheerful hollow compliments any day. When I compliment something, I mean it. When I argue something, I mean that too. I say what I feel, and I stand by my words. If I am wrong, I will do my best to admit it, although sometimes it takes me a while to see it. Why the sudden impatience?

Elicar: 6th May 2006 - 03:01 GMT

Okay, EvilG. I will spell it out for you. You may not like what I am going to say, but heck, if this wakes you up, then, it is all worth it.

As I have mentioned in The Future Einstein's, discussions are always pleasant, debates challenging. But this has turned into something other than a debate of the issue. You are throwing personal insults at each other, and I believe you started it. And you have to have the last word. Didn't you mention that you are a matriarchial society? Where's the respect for women? (I could hear you saying under your breath, "They have to show that they deserve respect!) You can't expect people to see exactly the same way you do. You have to respect that.

The same is true with {The Future Einstein's). You are arguing with children. These children are proud of their accomplishments. They should be encouraged, not put down. You are going to say that you did just that. But that's not how they perceived it. And that is what matters to them. They asked you to stop, but you just couldn't do that, could you? Again, you have to have the last word.

Silence is golden.

EvilGentleman: 6th May 2006 - 03:26 GMT

Absolutely amazing. Of all people, I would have thought that you would have been able to read things all the way through and see things clearly. But I am very disappointed, especially the way you are putting words in my mouth that I would never think. You "hear" things under my breath that exist only in your own head, I am sorry to say. It is truly a shame that you see me through tinted glasses in such a way. I appreciated being asked to comment in one of your articles, even if it did disappear mysteriously. I have appreciated many of your compliments, and your invitation for coffee put a pleasant smile on my face, even if I considered it highly unlikely. But I have been noticing things changing as of late, and it bothers me. Jeeff used to comment on all my articles, but I have not seen one since I jokingly shushed him in the overflowing manhole post. I miss his presence. Now you. It seems that I am offending people without even knowing how. Mind you, I must say that your believing I would disrespect women is something that deeply wounds me, and is very offensive to me, because it is so untrue. And as far as the argument here goes, I am upholding values that are dear to many, and I feel bound by my morals to speak up. And if you had bothered to read, my last comment to sherri here was extending an olive branch.

I'm getting pretty stressed here, I'm sure I am making mistakes of some sort, but I kind of feel that there are a lot of others who are agreeing with me as well. I wish they would speak up.

EvilGentleman: 6th May 2006 - 03:44 GMT

Elicar, I do not even have a clue as to what your real name is, nor your age or what you look like. I know nothing of your personal life, I have never met you, spoken to you, or even chatted online in real-time with you. Why do I feel as if I have just lost a dear and close friend?

EvilGentleman: 6th May 2006 - 03:53 GMT

And this is why I am called Evil and Gentleman at the same time, folks!

We all have our days...
Now, I am going out, and then I am going to come back and sort out some more photos, and within 24 hours, I am going to post them. And then we begin all over again....

jeeff: 6th May 2006 - 05:30 GMT

eg- more quality, less quantity. i haven't had time to read your comments in a while, which is unfortunate. a point can be succinctly and clearly stated, and doesn't need to be restated in endless arguments. consider your audience rather than your debating partner, and please try to avoid mudslinging.

Elicar: 6th May 2006 - 12:40 GMT

EvilG, re: your penultimate entry.

I am sorry you feel that way. I will not tell the world who is the person behind Elicar. People make their own impressions. I am sure that some have already did from my posts and comments. That's why I said what I said. You maybe creating the wrong impression to the whole wide world and you do not even realize it.

Expressing a different view and expressing anger are all healthy. But when it turns ugly, it's time to walk away. The issue can always be revisited with cooler heads.

I can't remember the last time I held a grudge.

Subject closed.

EvilGentleman: 6th May 2006 - 21:24 GMT

sigh grumpy and impatient, or caring and understanding, I'm still the same guy. I dunno what's up with me lately, I seem to be losing my patience whenever something annoys me. I asked Arcticwoman about it, and she said she had not realized it, but now that I mentioned it, yeah, I have been kind of testy lately. No clue why, though.

Anyways, as far as you guys go, I wanna scream and yell at you, then hug you or give firm handshakes, thank you for listening, then head out to a bar with nice pool tables and treat you to a few games. Does any of this make sense?

sherri: 8th May 2006 - 15:44 GMT

Thanks Elicar. I am of a younger generation and DO stand up for what I believe in. Just this morning, some poor busdriver was beat (again) somewhere here in Canada. I think that society has no respect for law and in turn teach that to their children. I live in Yellowknife, NWT and constantly do I hear parents in stores telling children, "If you don't behave I'll call the RCMP!". How wrong is that. Making kids afaid of the RCMP!! Respect should be taught to all people, it's not something that's really earned, but I think it's taught at home. Let women (or men) stay home to know WHEN their children should be home, where they are at all times and yes, discipline them when it is necessary. Parents rely on electronic leashes these days (12 yr olds with cell phones). My mom and Dad always knew where I was, who I was with and when I was supposed to be home. I think all the respect is taught at home. The Young Offenders Act has turned criminal teens into re-offenders, because they never have to accept consequences for their actions. I think if you are old enough to commit an ADULT crime, then you are old enough to do ADULT time....

EvilGentleman: 8th May 2006 - 16:44 GMT

I agree with this last comment of yours 100%, sherri. I think young offenders should face the full consequences and receive the same sentences as adults, although they should be held in a separate youth correctional facility until they reach 18, when they can then continue serving the rest of their sentence among adults. (This would be to prevent the pedophiles from further messing these kids up) I think we should also consider charging parents in cases where it is obvious that the crimes committed by their children are a direct result of their abuse and/or neglect.

sherri: 8th May 2006 - 17:45 GMT

Thanks EvilGentleman for the polite comment! Having a better day hunh? I know that the Canadian Law System is lacking in serious ways, and the first change should be the Young Offenders Act. It's a rough call on the parenting though. Some kids that have tough lives go on to be very successful, meanwhile others with silver spoons are the ones who need punishment!

EvilGentleman: 8th May 2006 - 18:02 GMT

You are very welcome, sherri. Like I said earlier, we agree on most issues. I'll try my best to be a nicer jerk. (I'm grinning at the moment) And as far as silver spoons go, I agree. To my mind, there is no difference whatsoever between poor kids left to fend for themselves while their parent(s) are out getting drunk or stoned, and rich kids who are given everything but true love. Both types of kids are horribly neglected.

EvilGentleman: 8th May 2006 - 18:13 GMT

Expanding a bit on my previous comment, it all comes down to responsibility. If you are a poor kid who has a parent who automatically tries to beat up any kid (or their parents) that they feel has wronged you, then you have no chance to learn about responsibility, and are very likely to run afoul of the law. If you are a rich kid who has parents who buy your way out of trouble with bribery, political pressure on judges who are "networked" to your family, or if all else fails, super-expensive lawyers who get all their cases thrown out of court on stupid technicalities, then you, too, have no chance to learn about responsibility, and are very likely to run afoul of the law. Only responsible people have a chance at a normal life. Let's all work together to make responsibility a part of the curriculum at every school in the world. Maybe this could be bigger than UNICEF. Now if only we can get it through all the pampered brats who have been appointed to UN positions by their influential families back home...

sherri: 8th May 2006 - 19:05 GMT

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, hey folks?

sherri: 8th May 2006 - 22:12 GMT

Hey EvilGentleman! I just thought of a funny analogy......I had a silver spoon in my mouth as a child, but when I stepped out of line I was beat on the ass with it! Actually my parents never had to touch me. I was always grounded (timeline always started in WEEKS)....

EvilGentleman: 9th May 2006 - 08:52 GMT

Strict upbringings can be positive things sometimes, within reason. Although I personally prefer the fair and equal approach, where leading by example is combined with defined responsibilities, and a lot of stress on honesty, fairness, and respect for others, as well as the ability to talk freely when they feel we are wrong.

sherri: 9th May 2006 - 14:50 GMT

Yep, that's how my parents did it. When they said,"NO!", I would always ask why and they took the time to explain why, not just say"Because I said so." I believe that the reason why I respect them so much is beacause they showed me respect. Also, I was NEVER allowed to hang out at malls, my father was a strong believer in,"You are MY child and it is not up to the patrons in the mall to babysit you." Always seemed to make sense to me. Again, the respect to explain and make me understand why I couldn't do certain things, not just the Iron Fist and the "Because I said so" reasoning...

sherri: 11th May 2006 - 22:12 GMT

Wow...quiet in here once we stopped fighting....

EvilGentleman: 11th May 2006 - 23:24 GMT

Boy, tell me about it. Wanna have a booger-flicking contest? LOL

sherri: 12th May 2006 - 14:51 GMT

I don't know if we could actually flick em all the way from TO to Yellowknife NWT!!!!!

EvilGentleman: 12th May 2006 - 14:58 GMT

I live across the highway from Montreal's airport. NWT Air and First Air sometimes pass 300 feet over my head. Maybe I can stick a booger to one of them...

sherri: 12th May 2006 - 15:33 GMT

HA! Careful with those First Air planes, we call First Air "Cambodian Air" cause their planes are all held together with Duct Tape!

EvilGentleman: 12th May 2006 - 15:49 GMT

We used to call them "Last Air" in Nunavut, cuz they went mechanical so often.

I was on an NWT Air flight from Yellowknife to Rankin Inlet on May 27, 1998. About 30 minutes into the flight, the guy next to me remarks that he was on the exact same plane (A Boeing 737) the day before, but he noticed hydraulic fluid leaking out of the wing about an hour into the flight. By this point, they were already beyond Lutsel K'e (Snowdrift), but when the pilot came back to have a look, he immediately decided to return to Yellowknife. "Now the same plane is attempting the route again. I hope nothing goes wrong this time", he says. I tell you, I stared at that goddamn wing all the way to Rankin Inlet.

sherri: 12th May 2006 - 19:13 GMT

That's funny! Sounds like you've been all over the place!

EvilGentleman: 12th May 2006 - 23:12 GMT

Lemme see, in the NWT, only Yellowknife and Fort Smith, where I trained at Thebacha Campus of Aurora College for two months in 1998. Oh, but we also had a tour of Wood Buffalo National Park while we were there, too.

In Nunavut, I lived in Coral Harbour and Iqaluit, and I had short visits to Cape Dorset, Repulse Bay, Rankin Inlet, Whale Cove and Arviat. I've never seen the Yukon yet. I've seen every province, although I only got within a kilometer of Newfoundland. In the USA, I have been to every state except Alaska and Hawaii. In Mexico, I only saw one street for four hours. Overseas, I have seen absolutely nothing. I have never left the continental shelf of North America. I might have had a snowball fight in Cuba once, though. Depends on whether or not the grounds of the Cuban Consular Office in Montreal is considered to be a part of Cuba or not. I always used to cut through their backyard on my way up Mount Royal. I have also illegally parked in the parking spot reserved for the Honduran Consulate.

sherri: 15th May 2006 - 15:22 GMT

I made my way across Canada from New Brunswick. I was born and raised in Bathurst NB then left at 17 and moved to Edmonton, Alberta, and after getting tired of being nothing but a waitress and bartender, I ventured North to stop in Yellowknife and now I work for the 2nd most dreaded gov dept.......MOTOR VEHICLES!

sherri: 15th May 2006 - 15:25 GMT

Oh and what's really funny about Yellowknife...I live in a 3 bedroom TRAILER (Mobile home) that cost me $269,900 just last September so at 30 years old, by the time I pay off that mortgage I'll be 60.....Wonder if I'll be like Patty and Selma off the Simpsons....Still working at the DMV and chainsmoking.......HA!

EvilGentleman: 15th May 2006 - 18:19 GMT

I lived in Miramichi (Chatham back then) from ages 7 to 11. This was 1976 to 1980. We used to go shopping in either Bathurst or Moncton until 1979, when The Miramichi Mall was built in Douglastown. We used to own a bookstore on Water St in Chatham called Bookworm, but we sold it when the Air Force transferred my dad to Ontario in 1980. I wonder if it still exists. I met someone who said they shopped there in 1994.

EvilGentleman: 15th May 2006 - 18:24 GMT

I still have an old expired NWT licence that was issued in Fort Smith in 1998.

sherri: 16th May 2006 - 14:49 GMT

Holy crap. That's awesome. So you were an army brat like my fiancee. My parents were hippies (hence my point of views on a lot of things). That old DL from MWT, what's the number...I could look you up! HA! Nice keepsake!

EvilGentleman: 16th May 2006 - 17:29 GMT

LOL, It was issued in Fort Smith on May 22, 1998 and the licence ended with 566. That is as far as I dare go online.

sherri: 16th May 2006 - 17:47 GMT

That is soooo funny. Unfourtunately, the system search only works with WHOLE DL numbers. Damn! I coulda looked you up...heh heh.....

Joe44: 9th May 2007 - 01:19 GMT

Good Debate Folks . And i agree that the abuses of the few make the job more dangerous for all .