Falls Road: Belfast

otisbirdsong: 11th Aug 2002 - 01:59 GMT

this shots are great...thank you fro giving us a glimpse of northern ireland...

is Bombay Street in a catholic area or a protestant area?

John: 28th Aug 2003 - 14:38 GMT

The street looks like a shit hole only fit for the vermin that live there

Tiocfaidh: 18th Feb 2004 - 20:11 GMT

Bobby Sands would roll over in his grave, mates!

tiocfaidh ar la!: 18th Feb 2004 - 20:15 GMT

Le grá dhuit níl radharc am cheann, Eibhlín a Riún, Is trácht ort is saidhbhreas liom, Eibhlín a Riún; Ó mo mhórdháil ró-ghreidhnmhear thú, sólás na Soillse's tú, Ó mo lile thú, mo mheidhir is tú, mo bhruinneal thú go deimhin. A's mo chlús dá bhfuil sa choill seo's tú. As mo chroí 'stigh níl leigheas gan tú, Eibhlín a Riún. Le cúirtéis na tlúig bhéit, is tú, Eibhlín a Riún,
Dúrt bréag nú's liam fhéinig tú, Eibhlín a Riún, Mar is breátha ná Bhénus tú, 'sis áilne ná'n Réilthean tú;
Ó mo Hélen tú gan bhéim is tú mo rós, mo lil mo chraobh Mo stór d'á bhfuil sa tsaol so's tú, Agus rún mo chroí agus mo chléibh is tú, Eibhlín a Riún!!!!!

Sean: 14th Mar 2004 - 18:44 GMT

Bombay Street is a Catholic area to the person who inquired.

jonny brit: 15th Mar 2004 - 14:22 GMT

bombay street is a shite street to the person who cares

marko: 25th Mar 2004 - 09:58 GMT

LOYALISTS-wat a shit life they have,the worlds most biggoted people !!!!

loyalist 2 the core: 25th Mar 2004 - 19:56 GMT

prove to me why im bad. go ahead, i DARE you.

Gene from Canada: 5th Apr 2004 - 22:18 GMT

Hello. Just checking out this website. Trying to find info on Belfast and what people are like in this part of the world.

Bob Toole: 15th Apr 2004 - 21:28 GMT

To the loyalists who've posted previously: Westminster doesen't give a fuck about you. Mainland Brits don't give a fuck about you. The only people who give a fuck about you are you! And you look like faggots in those get-ups during parade season! Long live Sinn Fein!

stiofain: 24th Apr 2004 - 15:40 GMT

loyalists are just scared of the united ireland which is coming.
Yous can march up the mountains and into the sea!

mo chara: 25th Apr 2004 - 20:07 GMT

hello tiocfaidh,i guess you are right the shinners talking to the brits is it any wonder bernadett sands mckevitt, dolours and marion price and ruari o braidagh feel the way they do after all the green book stated not to get involved or to recognise an alien foriegn goverment because that is what the stickies done and that wee bastard de valera in 1921 ERIN GO BRAIDH Ps. remember the song Take it down from the mast free state bastards

rebel 32: 18th Jul 2004 - 19:40 GMT

GERRY BHOY UP REPUBLICAN SINN FEIN NO SELL OUTS HERE

karma: 19th Jul 2004 - 13:52 GMT

rebel- most of the readers on this site (as far as i can tell) arent irish and so probably dont get any of what youre saying. whats your story? why are you so argumentative without offering much in the way of substance to discuss? you just make insults, and odd ones that are hard to understand at that

Peter: 19th Jul 2004 - 14:13 GMT

while we encourage anyone to post whatever they want, i gotta admit, some of these threads about 'taidghs', etc, dont make alot of sense to me either...

silly taidghs!: 19th Jul 2004 - 17:08 GMT

Report on Bogus Police Bust Stuns Ireland

rebel 32: 20th Jul 2004 - 04:01 GMT

thats so insightful, neil. please... for real.

sands era: 8th Aug 2004 - 07:34 GMT

would all you orange bastards shut the fuck up and go HOME to eating your kids or whatever you do!

rebel 32: 9th Aug 2004 - 19:11 GMT

would whoever to fuck is using my name please refrain from doing so because they are noting but a shower of fuckin bastards

rebel 32: 9th Aug 2004 - 19:18 GMT

As i have said previously the dickhead using my name probably has not got a clue where and how my name came about i.e. some silly two digit hun/hood

rebel 32: 12th Aug 2004 - 15:43 GMT

or maybe the wee silly faggot whos using your name doesnt give a flying fuck about your "cause", much like basically every reader of this site who is opposed to your lame-arse flooding of the comments with all yer tiocfaidh ar la shite, mate, so hes making fun of you.

btw, kiss my bum.

rebel 32: 12th Aug 2004 - 15:45 GMT

cause it taeks a real thick one in the head to go about arguing with other peoples opinions on a website, posting all shite about shite no one really gives two fucks about anyway, aside from your own bloody self.

you prolly just need to get some rumpy pumpy, eh mate?

watcher: 9th Sep 2004 - 17:30 GMT

Will you all shut the fuck up and stop this silly argueing, your all embaressing the country with your lame ass bullshit comments about each other.... oh your a hun! oh your a taig bla bla bla, fuckin wiseup!

TAIG POWER!: 13th Sep 2004 - 14:56 GMT

anonymous: embarassing the country like you're embarassing yourself with your horrid spelling? wanker!!!

rebel 32: 13th Sep 2004 - 19:51 GMT

the ira takes it up the arse from bobby sands!

tiocfaidh ar la-south belfast: 25th Oct 2004 - 14:52 GMT

Look, I support the republican cause, and i think this 'rebel' fella is behaving terribly. Who do you think you are mocking Bobby Sands? We never had any such figures in your community make such sacrifices at the hands of the British govt. or any govt. for that matter. While I believe that you are entitled to your opinion, you shouldn't be so grotesque and insensitive. And stop the bigotted slander (both 'fenian' and 'hun') on this website. Any international readers will think we're all buck mad, which to be honest, I don't think is too far wrong!

Peter: 25th Oct 2004 - 16:01 GMT

dear "tiocfaidh ar la-south belfast":

if you have a moment, could you post a comment and explain what some of these terms mean- as you said- for the sake of our international readers? This thread has been perplexing to many, and ive recieved a number of meails inquiring about it.

you seem very rational and kind, so if you could take a moment of your time and clue us in, that would be very much appreciated, specifically in terms of clarifying exactly what's going on in this thread... what do some of these terms mean? who are these people/events that are referred to?

thanks :)

borutz: 25th Oct 2004 - 18:46 GMT

yes, also tiocfaidharla-south belfast, i would want to know a more about these things people do say here. i am liking the learning about every others country and customary. so that if you could say more to me of these things i would so be grateful also as others here are to be.

rebel 32: 6th Nov 2004 - 10:19 GMT

hey tiochi faidh ar la why are u ball licking and for fucks sake read my previous posts before opening your mouth two digits

rebel 32: 6th Nov 2004 - 10:25 GMT

what has a prod got in common with a nappy ?both stick to your ass and are full of shite

~creAtor~: 6th Nov 2004 - 20:45 GMT

rebel: why the pointless insults? whats your point? im not even irish, but i can tell you that your behavior here has made me lose some respect for you and your people. at least have the courtesy to put all your insults in a single comment or something so we can skip em easier, ok? the repeated, pointless yammering is getting pretty cliche, dude.

volkovv: 4th Dec 2004 - 20:37 GMT

Saoirse go deo!
You hawe suport in Bohemia....!

Observer: 6th Dec 2004 - 19:22 GMT

As an observer it appears there are many short sighted and narrow minded people on both sides of the divide here on this site and in the North/N.I. (trying to keep everyone happy). The point being both sides have experienced atrocities, Catholics by the British and Loyalist Terrorists and the Protestants have also suffered at the hands of the IRA/INLA/RIRA etc. Both sides simply must appreciate each sides right to culture expression and work together to become a joint force. It would be a damn strong one at that. The past is the past - when you are dead it doesnt go up there with you - get on with making now and the future peaceful and COMPROMISING for EVERYONE.

Observer: 6th Dec 2004 - 19:34 GMT

P.S.
I have lived and worked in N.I/the north of Ireland (!?) for 27years, am in a mixed religion relationship and have many many friends and family on both 'sides'. So to all the tourists/non irish out there this is evidence that Protestants and Catholics can actually live together, put aside past actions from both sides that were wrong, and try and make eachothers lives better. Hatred and no flexibility in mindsets just maintains the viscious circle - so drop the 'ulster says no' and the 'cause' because neither of us will win. In england Catholics and Protestants go to schools on the same road, have relationships and are 'normal' neighbours to eachother. Religion is only mentioned if marriage is talked about. Same applies worldwide largely p.s. im not english.
Just open minded
So everyone drop the attitudes.

Hater: 7th Dec 2004 - 19:27 GMT

whats all teh fuss about anyway? none of this makes sense to any of us that arent form your neck of the woods, you know.......

volkovv: 9th Dec 2004 - 08:06 GMT

Its not about religion, its about Nationlism, what greatest Irish Freedom fighters ,was Protestants, but when f*cking orange start his sectarian marches, then is it about religion, but not from the cat. side.
UP the RA!

irish lad: 9th Dec 2004 - 14:59 GMT

Volkovv: your grammar is atrocious. just like a fuckin catholic!

True Blue: 11th Dec 2004 - 17:41 GMT

kill all fenian scum ulster says no to a united ireland and to that bearded child abuser gerry adams Village rocket patrol still on tour

Hater: 13th Dec 2004 - 15:24 GMT

true blue: that comment makes no sense to those of us that arent irish. it also has bad grammar, for those of us that are.

volkovv: 16th Dec 2004 - 10:25 GMT

I can speak in czech, but belive me ,my english is beter like your czech....

FukBoobySands: 17th Dec 2004 - 21:36 GMT

Would you like to try a cheeseburger Bobby Sands?

elfgerber: 20th Dec 2004 - 12:51 GMT

My great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather, John Falls (maybe originally McFalls or MacFalls) emigrated from Northern Ireland in the beginning of the 18th centurty to environs of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I've always been curious whether "Falls Road" was named after a family name or a waterfall. Hope this doesn't appear to be *too* silly of a question, but I can't visit there right now, and I'd love to know.

rebel 32: 1st Jan 2005 - 22:53 GMT

by the way how many of youse bastards had the balls to fight for your liberties youse mock bobby sands but there is not one of youse bastards who belongs birth right or other wise to the right of this country youse are a bunch of fucking planters from scotland who came over when king henry's dick was bigger than his brain ask that old whore queen elizabrit she'll inform youse bastards all about it one day we will drive youse back in to the sea keep ireland for the irish So go on home britsh bastards go on home

Hater: 18th Jan 2005 - 18:44 GMT

rebel32: ever heard of punctuation, mate? how about complete sentences?

Bobby Sands: 27th Jan 2005 - 14:38 GMT

Rebel32 gets it up his british-loving tail-end by me every day! bertie ahern is his bum-buddy!

australian: 12th Feb 2005 - 11:52 GMT

90% people in australia want want republic no brit crown here ,ulster will soon be reunited with the rest of ireland and god bless her,british empire what ajoke

mr j adair(mad thing): 12th Feb 2005 - 12:08 GMT

very happy now living in spain ,i,ve let my locks grow ,just in case the ETA are on the look out for me,i,ll have to stop hanging round with the the young lads,you know what i mean xxxx

Irishman: 16th Feb 2005 - 03:18 GMT

Catholics are the real irish.
The fucking protestants ive met only fly the shitty ass lymie flag ,not the irish flag.

All you orangemen need to start loving your country and its flag and stop flyng the lymie flag. If not leave ireland your not irish.

Listening to the pogues , dubliners , dropkick murphys always makes me proud of what i am.

A irish catholic.

honda 160: 19th Feb 2005 - 18:54 GMT

glad i left that hole belfast should tip it in the fukkin irish sea .prods and micks all fukkin sick . i had the balls to leave.

honda 160: 19th Feb 2005 - 19:00 GMT

Where is my eileen kerr , LOVED HER, BUT THE FUKKIN PRIEST SAID NO, YOUR ORANGE SHE IS GREEN .FUCKING HOMO PRIEST, GLAD I LEFT SHITTY BELFAST . BUT ISTILL LOVE YOU EILEEN .

HONDA 160: 20th Feb 2005 - 15:39 GMT

ACTUALLY IDONT HATE IT I LOATHE THE FUCKIN PLACE, BECAUSE I GREW UP THERE THINKING THE SUN ROSE AND SET ON THE ALBERT CLOCK, TILL 1969 THEN THE BRAVE MEN STARTED TELLING ME I SHOULD'NT HAVE FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

HONDA 160: 20th Feb 2005 - 15:46 GMT

CONTINUED, YES THOSE PILLARS OF SHIT TELLING ME AND MY BUDDIES NOT TO HANG OUT TOGETHER. PILLARS OF SHIT ,THE SNAKES ST PATRICK DID'NT FIND.

Irishman: 22nd Feb 2005 - 03:25 GMT

I kinda feel the same way about gary, indiana Honda.

girl in need of help: 26th Feb 2005 - 11:36 GMT

plz can some one help me by givin me some insults against prods coz im in skool n ive found out that nobody has any slang words against prods except for jaffas
if u hav any insults plz e mail them to me at bubblylisa101@hotmail.com

Peter: 26th Feb 2005 - 22:11 GMT

this is officially the worlds most random thread.

Peter: 27th Feb 2005 - 03:52 GMT

and as an american, i dont really get a majority of the slang... or even the point. but i will say, its all really interesting. it just goes to show how passionate people will get for their causes, i guess.

jamie: 28th Feb 2005 - 09:19 GMT

i am forming the opinion that some people appear to believe this website to be some kind of 'chat room'

Peter: 28th Feb 2005 - 14:48 GMT

I suppose so. Its interesting to hear all the random shit, though!

Peter: 3rd Mar 2005 - 16:37 GMT

check this one out also

Jamie: 14th Mar 2005 - 15:36 GMT

A bit of clarification is perhaps needed for those not familiar with the Irish/Ulster slang used here. My facts should not be taken as gospel but are what I have gleaned from spending a couple of years submersed in this culture:

taig, fenian - derogatory terms for a cathoilc

hun, prod, proddy, planter - derogatory terms for a protestant or otherwise loyalist individual

Loyalist - Someone loyal to the crown. Many protestants in Northern Ireland consider themselves more British than the majority of British people do.

Nationalist/Republican - Those who wish for a united Ireland. Mainly Catholic. The term Republican used here should not be confused with the term Republican used in Amrican politics.

IRA - Provisional Irish Republican Army. A Republican Paramilitary (Terrorist) Organisation seeking the re-unification of Ireland. There are many factions of the IRA including the (original) PIRA or Provos. The Continuity IRA (CIRA) and The "Real" IRA who are largely believed to be responsible for the 1998 Omagh atrocity.

Sinn Fein - The Political Wing of the IRA (although they strongly deny any links!) They hold seats in parliament in London along with Loyalist political parties who are themselves fronts for loyalist paramilitary groups such as the UDA/UFF

UDA/UFF/UVF - Loyalist Paramilitary (Terrorist) groups. Many of which are mere fronts for drugs trafficing/prostitutuion and miscellaeneous organised crime, and fight amongst themselves.

RUC - Royal Ulster Constabulary - The traditional police force of Northern ireland during the height of the troubles. The RUC were never accepted by the Nationalist community as the were a largely corrupt Protestant force. Recently dispanded and replaced by the PSNI, Police Service of Northern Ireland. Who have gained no further respect from the Nationalists.

26 + 6 = 32 - Indeed it does. This is however a reference to 32 county sovereignty. There are 32 counties of Ireland. 26 in the Republic and 6 still in British hands. Republicans dream of a day when Ireland will be one.

FTQ - Fuck the Queen. I remember one time she came to visit some towns in NI and this was balnket spray painted on roadsigns the length and bredth of the province.

Bobby Sands - There is a good article about Bobby Sands and the Hunger Strikes here

Some Irish Gaelic Translations. There are many differing spellings, mainly due to the fact that many Catholics don't actually speak Irish (although many do).

Oglaigh na h'Eireann - I believe the literal translation of this is The Irish Army. It tends to be used to refer to the IRA.

Tiocfaidh ár Lá, pronounced chuck-hig awr law, is a political slogan used by Irish republicans, the English translation of which means "our day will come", implying that Ireland will one day be re-united.

Erin go bragh is a badly anglicized form of Éireann go Brách, meaning Ireland forever. It is pronounced Erin guh brawk

Failte go citynoise - Welcome to citynoise :-)

Peter: 14th Mar 2005 - 16:12 GMT

wow jamie, us clueless yanks thank you... otherwise we'd have no clue what was going on here :)

Armagh bhoy: 17th Mar 2005 - 10:44 GMT

Là Fheile Padraig (Happy St Patrick for non Irish speakers). Visit Ireland and support the Irish struggle for freedom and justice for ALL (yes even the protestants who are Irish as well). England is the real ennemy who divided the Irish people to rule in this country. Our weapon now ? The Good friday agreement and our refusal. Refusal to leave in a "British state". It has never been and will never be. Tiocfaidh ar là.
Craig from Crossmaglen

Kelsey Grammar: 17th Mar 2005 - 13:07 GMT

Refusal to leave in a "British state" ?

Kelsey Grammar: 17th Mar 2005 - 14:23 GMT

"England is the real ennemy..."

32 County Government in Exile: 25th Mar 2005 - 01:22 GMT

Northern Ireland is an artificial state and this artificial nature undermines any legitimacy its pro-Union majority would otherwise have. In 1920 when Ireland was partitioned, Co.Tyrone and Co.Fermanagh were 56% and 53% Catholic/Nationalist respectively, but were forced in the Union against their will, as evidenced by the Unionists rejecting John Redmond (Home Rule Party leader)'s proposal that each of the 6 counties should have referendums deciding whether to join North or South. The 2 Catholic counties were included so the Unionists could have a minority to dominate. Like the whites in South Africa. In a United Ireland, Protestants and Catholics would have equality. This is what the Orange Order and the DUP fear.

nathan: 31st Mar 2005 - 12:49 GMT

have any of you read Heaney?
i cant believe england is still occupying you guys. with the right equipment you could take em all out. seriously do it.

Michelle: 1st Apr 2005 - 05:26 GMT

I have Irish ancestors on both sides of my family, and have really really wanted to move to Ireland. I was just wondering, as an American who disaproves of British occupation of Ireland, how easy or hard life would be for me there. Any help?

An American for better beer: 3rd Apr 2005 - 15:52 GMT

Re: Falls Road
This site is hilarious. I didn't realize so many people in Northern Ireland where still being force fed their parents bullshit. I thought you guys actually had resources to overcome all that, like an education. Catholic, protestant, Sinn Fein, British, who gives a flying monkey's ass. Drink beer and dance with lephrecauns, lifes to fucking short.

American Kris: 3rd Apr 2005 - 15:58 GMT

Thanks for the translation Jamie. I was a bit lost there for awhile.

R D : 14th Apr 2005 - 14:32 GMT

Re: Falls Road

You know, although I have Irish family (and I don't mean like great- great grandparents) I don't think I'm biased, but really here in England at least (as opposed to Scotland) the vast majority of public opinion and all the people I know are for a United Ireland and find the Protestant majority in the 6 counties rather scared, unwanted and alone. I think opinion has changed much since the Tory scare-mongering days and it's only a short time before we see the day Ireland is one again. Not that it's only to do with the UK government (and even less to do with the British people - Democracy??) but the UK Government are now the only people it seems charitable enough to pretend to support the Unionists/ Having said all that, I think the Police Service is still an aberration, and there's a long way to go to improve chances and living standards for ALL the population of the north. Best Wishes to all.

Cool Girl : 23rd Apr 2005 - 19:26 GMT

Tiocfaidh ar la! the falls is da best road in ireland and i dont no y anyone could not wanna live dere exept da fuckin huns! UP DA RA!!!!!!!

Cool Girl: 23rd Apr 2005 - 19:28 GMT

Shoot the Queen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hotdogx: 24th Apr 2005 - 21:10 GMT

Dissapointing to see some of the stupid an unitellectual comments here, This realy illustrates the necessity for a lot of "growing up" to be done! People not from ireland must really believe us to be idiots! personally i have visited the falls and the shankill and found the people across the north to be dead-on! This stupid stuff about shooting the queen, that really helps doesn't it! remeber the queen doesn't give a damn about northern ireland, most people in the uk (england, scotland and wales + british gov) wish to see ireland reunited. A huge majority in the republic feel that the irish in the six counties were sold out in the home rule act 1922 and wish to see the country reunited. For many years i have tried to understand what unionists hate so much about the republic of ireland. People in the republic do not hate unionists or people who are british. It is only in the north that such divisions exist. Would somebody please if the could explain some of their fears behind a united ireland. How many british northerners travel south, they are most welcome and have nothing to fear from the republic. Every year at rosnowlagh only 45km from my house an orange march takes place peacfully IN THE REPUBLIC. Can somebody explanin Mr paisleys comments regarding "rome rule". This is very untrue! Why is the union with britan so precious? I have lived in a few countries in europe, people there dont understand whats going on in ireland, people in britan seem to know even less! Could somebody from the pro union camp have a go at answering my questions and get an interesting conversation going that will enlighten us all! Maybe we will all learn something helpful!

manchesta: 25th Apr 2005 - 08:41 GMT

i totally agree with you on all points. Being english and having lived in Northern Ireland i can say without a shadow of a doubt to any loyalists reading here that the British people and govt have no interest in your cause. It is even true that most english, scottish, welsh people lack even the most rudimentary grasp of what the continuing conflict is all about. Many people i have spoken with on the subject do not even realise that Northern Ireland is a part of the UK. Added to that, the British govt have stated in fact that the have NO strategic interest in the six counties of the north of ireland. They are nothing but a drain on the economy. Ireland should have never been dis-united but no amount of quarreling can change events of the far distant past. Republicans calls for loyalists to go home to britain though are equally misguided. These people wheter they might care to admit it or not, are as Irish as you are. They just wouldn't cut it in Britain's multicultural, cosmopolitan and dare i say it modern society. Whilst you guys have been quarreling and infighting, things have moved on. We, the british are a heady amalgam of cultures. Black, white, cuban and asian, and sure we have our differences. But if we can get on, with such varitation in culture and religion, when we are so diverse, why can't your bunch of white christians just be nice to each other. And also, can i also just reiterate the previous guys comments by pointing out that in the Repulic of Ireland, Protstants and Cathoilcs and no doubt small minorities of muslims and hindus live side by side in peace. Why is the same not true of the North?

hotdogx: 26th Apr 2005 - 21:03 GMT

I would like to thank the person above for their input here, and this illustrates the true feelings on " the tribal matters" outside northern ireland. many unionists deny this strongly, but the evidence is there. The only support for their cause is their own.

Tonight i was watching a program on RTE1 called questions and answers. (for those of you abroad this is one of the national tv channels from the republic) this is a talk show, usually current affairs. Tonights show was no diffirent, the irish northerners on one side and the british northerners on the other.

The show was broadcast on irish tv from a studio in derry, or as the unionsts so amusingly call it london-derry?? Yes you read that correctly if your from abroad! The unionists on the show insisted on this name whilst the irish use the true original.

Tonight we had the standard situation where sinn fein talk about their increased vote and the unioniosts say we want to see photos of decomissioning of arms! The sdlp talk about how they were the architects of the GFA whilest the DUP say we dont talk to terorists.
But there were some interesting points raised, by the people. Unionists were asked why they insisted in being represented in the british parlement where they make up 2% of the parlement when they good go to Dail eireann and have 20% representation for northern parties. They were also asked why they believed the island of ireland made better econmic sense as a divided land with two currencies. Their rerply was " a canadian will be most upset if you call him an american even though its the same geographical unit". Ireland = irish people britan = british people. I lived in the uk people in britain feel this way too, so what are the unionists on about. When unionists visit the uk the get called paddy just like me. What makes them hate irishness so much? This i dont understand, hate for the irish identity is bread into them!

Note also!
When rover is in trouble the british government steps in to pay wages, thats great, so they should. When businesses close and jobs are lost in the north nothing happens. This is the proof that a forign government has its own problems without the north of ireland with a poor economy and massive unemployment and social unrest, a headache for the UK people who have to pay to keep these people as their self proclaimed statelet is unable to support itself. These were some of the points raised in the TV program. More and more people are beginning to see the light, nationalist parties have released green papers on unity to sell the idea. they woulden't do this if they didn't believe a united ireland was not a posibility in the near future. They day this happens the british will rejoice, and good for them! Trade between ireland britain and intergovernmental relations have never been better.

However this thing about telling the british to go home is stupid aswell.Somehow this idea of a united ireland has to be sold to them and the people of northern ireland. Business is increasing with the republic.All the signs are there that a united ireland is on the way. If unionists think that they will not be able to fly their contentious flags in a united ireland they are mistaken. But i think unionists know this but the thing that worries them most is that nobody will care about their flags anymore, what a great day that will be as we will all celebrate our ancestry equally!

Peter: 26th Apr 2005 - 21:16 GMT

wow, someone who has something intelligent and eloquent to say re: this thread- nice! thank you! :)

coolgirl: 27th Apr 2005 - 13:30 GMT

there is 32 counties in ireland not 26! up da ra and up ardoyne!!!

hasslehoff: 27th Apr 2005 - 13:47 GMT

heh "there is 32 counties in ireland". 6 Bonus points for spotting the deliberate mistake. If you have a point to make, then at least make it gramatically correct young lady. I mean, you've obviously demonstrated your mathematical ability here, but your kelsey leaves much to be desired. Up da Northern Ireland Skool Systam!!!

Peter: 27th Apr 2005 - 15:03 GMT

heh. Up da Northern Ireland Skool Systam!!! ;)

kilkeel_provo_girl24: 28th Apr 2005 - 19:46 GMT

the only attitude for irishmen and irishwoman is an attitude of revolt......fcuk all huns..u.t.p

hotdogx: 29th Apr 2005 - 01:30 GMT

how far away are we from a united ireland? is there any chance of it happening soon. Ive been watching things on the net lately. If both nationalists parties are realeasing green papers on unity they must believe the chance of a vote for a united ireland is possible. Does anyone have an opinion on this?

coolgirl and cuzin: 4th May 2005 - 17:20 GMT

vote stiofan long for balmoral! hes for better schools! oglaigh na h'eireann!

God save Ireland: 6th May 2005 - 16:34 GMT

DISBAND THE RUC. These thugs in uniform.
Send the English back to sea.
Ireland unfree will never be at peace!

For God and Ulster: 6th May 2005 - 22:08 GMT

Altogether now.... (to the tune of she'll be coming round the mountain)

Could you go a chicken supper Bobby Sands ?
Could you go a chicken supper Bobby Sands ?
Could you go a chicken supper - you dirty fenian fucker
Could you go a chicken supper Bobby Sands ?

UDA all the way - fuck the pope and the IRA !!

ireland 4ever: 7th May 2005 - 17:28 GMT

Up da ra! and fuk da UDA!!!!!!!!!!!! Tiocfaidh ar la!!

Arthur Fonzarelli: 12th May 2005 - 20:38 GMT

No need for all this fucking bad language.

David: 13th May 2005 - 10:43 GMT

No HotdogX. The Vast majority of people in Northern Ireland want it to be part of the United Kingdom.And the D.U.P is by far the largest party now here, with 9 seats at Westminister, and there will be even more next time,because some seats(like South Belfast) will easily be takin back next time. A lot of Catholics are even Unionist actually HoddogX. So you must of been,'watching things on the net' through multi coloured classes.

Sean: 13th May 2005 - 10:57 GMT

Also for HotdogX. Yes i am a Catholic and i vote Ulster Unionist, a lot of my colleauger at work do likewise, and we all agree that we would be better off as part of the Union.HotdogX,if you want to keep up to date with politics in Northern Ireland, look up Belfast News sheets,Like the BBC Northern Ireland news, or UTV (Ulster Television)news and papers like the Belfast Telagraph(Belfasts main newspaper).These will be the best sources to get correct and up to date info.

Sammy: 14th May 2005 - 14:40 GMT

aye its a wonderful day alright, hear in Loyal Ulster, The Heart Of The British Empire.Can't beat a nice sunny day on nice British soil.

Johnny: 14th May 2005 - 20:01 GMT

To that Manchesta Wanka,what makes you think we give a damn about your opinion or some welsh person.Your probabally actually a taig from here writin that,but if you are from Manchester.Loyalism has many friends in all other parts of the U.K,especsially Scotland,but for all these poeple who don't know about Ulster or think we are somehow inferior to the rest of the U.K.Fuck you we dont give a flyin fuck what you say,simply because it is not relevent one single bit.We Ulster Prods have never sought to drum up support from anywhere possible like republicans do,We care about people here in Norn Ireland thinks and thats it.But if you ever happen to watch an Orange,Apprentice Boys,or Black Peceptry Loyal Order Parade,you'll not fail to see many orange men and bands from all across the U.K participating in them.And just one more time for any fat hotdog munching asshole anywere in the world, or for any taig pretending to be one.Northern Ireland is BRITISH AND NOTHING YOU DO OR SAY WILL CHANGE THAT! Can you try an Understand that please.

hotdogx: 14th May 2005 - 20:44 GMT

I respect the decision of the majority of the people of northern ireland, but could you point out for me "david and sean" why you vote unionist and why you wish to keep the union as it doesn,t seem to be working for NI. What is so bad abot the republic that this idea is hated so much. what are unionist fears regarding a united ireland.

David: 15th May 2005 - 11:35 GMT

All you have to do is drive over the border into Eire and immediately you see the difference,even the roads are full of pot holes and craters,its like a third world country(but even if it was the richest country in the world we would not want to be part of it,simply because it is not our country,thats like saying Canada should be American)and if the 'Union wasn't working for NI," why do Protestants and Catholics vote for it. It works quite well thank you very much.We had a spell with Martin McGuinnes as education minister and Barbra De Brune in charge of health when we gave the devolved government a go.Look what happened,when these hoods were trusted, Protestant schools suffered immensely and were underfunded,with Martin McGuiness giving Catholic schools all the funding.And Barbra Be Brune trying to tamper with hospitals,giving the Royal Victoria preferance simply because its on the falls(some ignorant outsiders say it is the Unionists that treat Catholics as second class citizens!).And at the same time they were engaged in all sorts of things from training Narco Terrorists in Columbia how to bomb and maim, to robbing and murdering people here,and our police force has been decimated aswell with crime rates soring because of what the good friday agreement did to the RUC.Thats why you have seen such a dramitic swing back into the UlSTER SAYS NO camp.The people here now are happy to have Direct Rule from Westminister from now on,after seeing all that.And keep your nose out of our N.I affairs,lots of annoying opinioniated people people about.Do we poke our nose into what happens in Eire????? NO,because we dont care what goes on down there, because it is a foreign country.Just because there isn't an Ocean between us doesnt mean that we belong with eachother you know.And last but not least,God Save The Queen and Bless the Red Hand and the Crown.

Sean: 15th May 2005 - 13:02 GMT

for HotdogX,you are wrong we don't hate the republic,they are our neigbours after all,we just don't want to be part of it thats all.

Dan: 15th May 2005 - 14:13 GMT

Did you hear about pope john paul? in his last few days of life he said he wanted to here some flutes and lambeg drums, said the tunes would help him breath more easily. Also before he died he confided amongst friends that he wanted to come out of the closet,all the nuns and priests were shocked,thinking he was going to say he was gay.But instead he jumped out of his bed and shouted " NO SURRENDER YOU FENIAN BASTARDS,"out of the window to the crowds below.

tommy: 15th May 2005 - 14:19 GMT

hotdogx,try LIVING HERE, and then you will see why the vast majority want to remain part of the U.K and not the irish republic

mickey: 15th May 2005 - 14:45 GMT

theres a hell of a lot of people in the republic of ireland dont want anything to do with ni and the ira cause.

hotdogx: 15th May 2005 - 16:59 GMT

Lets get something straight here, the last time you visited the republic must have been in the 70s or 80s when there was a standard of living diffirence between Ni and rep. Ireland is now the 3rd richest country in the world per head of population. Check it on the net if u dont belive me!

We dont like the way the shinners use our national flag as a republican emblem as it drags our flag through the muck associating it with the "cause" and the IRA when infact the people of the republic deteste the IRA and their murdering ways. They have even robbed from irish post offices!!! and murdered members of the garda siochana! Adams's call to the ira to cease activity was a stunt we all know it!
I agree with you regarding republicans, this bullshit has gone on for long enough about decomissioning, hopefully Mr paisley will do a deal with the nationalist side and sand by his promise when decomissioning happens, and it will if the republicans realy desire peace and i believe they do. paisley,the fire and brimstone preacher at times does make sensible statements but going to the european parlement and insulting the pope infont of other europeans showed his biggoted side. How do you feel sean about the unionist you probably voted for referring to your religion and the religion of most europeans as an evil religion. Are you going to convince me he was drunk when he said this sean.

Do you think protestants are treated as second class citizens in the republic have you any proof of this i'd love to hear it?, many of the founders of our country were protestants.

The RUC was disbanded due to its prooven inability to cater for both comunities equally, what is your opinion on this one sean?

Why do you feel that you cant identify with irish culture what is so diffirent about protestants in the north compaired to those in the republic. How could someone who lives in ireland have more in common with somebody in london for example rather than the man across the road, that i dont understand. Why do you wish to be represented in a british parlement where northern parties represent 2% of british parlement when northern parties would make up 20% of Dail Eireann. As a part of the uk the power of northern parties is limited and they will never form a governmen or a coalition and the british government doesnt care what happens in NI infact most people in britain want to be rid of it, no offence intended. The republic is not what it used to be and has improved dramatically in the last 20years.

Direct rule is somebody across the water making a decision for you that you could make better yourself, people in britain dont have to live with the consequences of a decision they made for NI but you do,how is this a better option. What works in britain might not work in NI. So what are unionists REALY afraid of.

jimmy: 15th May 2005 - 17:16 GMT

roads in republic are now better than in the six counties, im a truck driver, i should know. Yea and silly british in the past with their mph signs. what rock do you live under dave

jimmy: 15th May 2005 - 17:23 GMT

did ya hear about the new orangeman calendar it goes like this, january february march, march march, the silly fools

David: 15th May 2005 - 17:57 GMT

You say Eire is the third richest country in the world,well that might be,good for you,but it is not our country.If Russia wants us to be part of them, or Germany or the U.S.A or any other country we will say the same thing as we have to you.Thanks,but no thanks. And if people here would like to be part of Russia then they are entitled to their opinion and they can vote for it.The only difference between Eire and Russia is that there is no ocean gap between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland,but that doesn't mean we want or should want,to be part of the Irish Republic.Now as for the R.U.C,it was one of the best police forces in the world and worked for decades being maimed and murdered doing their job.You hear about a lot of costly inquiries(i'm sure your a romantic republican and belive all the folk tales that go with it)into collusion and mysterious
deaths of Catholics,but virtually none about dead Protestants.The new police force is a sham(which sinn fein/ira arn't happy with either anyway),crime rates have rocketed and huge numbers have lost their jobs.All this was caused because of weak Unionism,but there has been a stop put to it all now after the D.U.P's breathtaking election results.In the next general election they will gain even more Westminister seats,because of unionist splits in some areas.Now also there is people in England who want the Royal family dispanded.People in Scotland who want an independant Scotland and people in England who want rid of NI,Scotland and Wales,these people are intitled to their opinions and can vote for like minded people to try and bring this about.But the United Kingdom is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.England isn't any more British than us,in fast we are more British and Patriotic than them.We are loyal to the Crown,not England or the Labour party or anybody else.Royalty visits Northern Ireland regularly and the soldiers here are the Queen's and where the Queen mothers favourite.Northern Irish troops are regularly commended for bravoury in Iraq.So if joe Bloogs in Birmingham doesnt like us,well thats his problem.and there is a very very strong bond between Ulster Protestants and Scottish ones.And there are many people in England and Wales that support the Ulster Loyalist cause aswell.Come and watch the 12th of july celebrations and you will see many bands and lodges from all over Scotland, Liverpool,London and many other parts of the U.K.And finally we're not afraid of anything, like i said when you put it to the vote,its thanks,but no thanks,just cause there is no ocean gap doesnt mean we should be as one or best buddies.Just like America and Canada.

sean: 15th May 2005 - 18:24 GMT

I would like to see how the people in the Irish Republic would react if Sinn Fein/IRA started getting into positions of power there and changing the place into a mafia state.Thats all i'm gonna say

Sean: 15th May 2005 - 18:31 GMT

The D.U.P has put a stop to them,thats why i voted for them because i knew they would,and the R.U.C(despite whatever you might of heard or read somewhere)was an excellent police force and was accepted by all LAW ABIDING people here.Catholics and Protestants.Don't forget the I.R.A killed any Catholic who joined them,thats the reason why there wasn't more Catholics in them, and the I.R.A are doing the same thing with the PSNI.The only thing that would make them happy is if there was no law and order at all.

Sean: 15th May 2005 - 18:35 GMT

I can see it now, Alex Maskey as the new presedent of the Irish Republic.Then you will start getting a real dose of what sinn fein/ira are all about.

Sean: 15th May 2005 - 19:52 GMT

I used to vote Ulster Unionist by the way and not always the D.U.P,but the situation here was getting beyond a joke and the D.U.P where the only party i could see that could stop these orginised criminals in their tracks.

Sean: 15th May 2005 - 20:09 GMT

At least the D.U.P would't murder you and leave your body for decades in an unmarked grave while your family is torn apart in agoney and not allowed to grieve properly or even no if you are still alive if you disagree with their policies

hotdogx: 15th May 2005 - 20:24 GMT

how come you didn't vote sdlp to keep maskey out. The provos are evil b**tards they have no support in the republic, they claim to be for the cause but they are mafia!! people like maskey could never be president, i hope you were joking when you said that or else you dont know anything about the republic.

Just another point about sinn fein in the republic, they dont have anything like the support they enjoy in NI and they never will, and no party in the republic would form a coalition with them. so no worries!

About the brit army
During the troubles i was studying in the uk and i took the larne ferry home and got stopped and searched by abusive british army soldiers with english accents who emptied my things out onto the road. They had guns pointed at me while they were doing this, i dont know what they expected to find in a students car. When i asked them to put my things back they just laughed one guy even flicked his cigarette end at me, that finished it for me i never went through the north after that. I was so happy to get home across the border that night. And you think the rep is crazy!

Im sure there were many good officers in the ruc
Thats a good point about the ira threats to the ruc. the north therefore needed a new police force that anyone could join with no provo threats.
it will take time i suppose for the PSNI to get sorted.

David have a go at answering some of the questions i put to you guys in my last post if you can regarding representaion in government for northern parties.Id like to know you views on that. But like the manchester lad says earlier he doesn't understand why you dont want to govern youself. Your argument seems for me to go against all logic. It is not because unionism is weak that stuff is going wrong in NI its because you are ruled by a government across the water who doesn't care and whom you cant make care because you only represent 2%. Help yourselves!

David: 15th May 2005 - 21:15 GMT

I've already told you that it is irrelivent what the labour government think about here because the United Kingdom as England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is set in stone and things can never be changed unless a clear majority of people in the concerned part of the U.K democratically votes for this.And yes we would also like a devolved government,but we tried that and it gave gangsters and murderes and robbers power in this country and turned the place into somwere lik Zimbabwe ran by Robert MGabey. And sinn fein/ira are not accepting
the new police force and they wont either,theyll always find some excuse aout the police,because they want to be the police and carry out their own forms of justice like blowing peoples legs off an dissappearing people and terrorising their own community ruling it with fear.I can't understnd why catholic's vote for them,cause by voting for them you are voting for the same people that would cut your throat if you looked at them sideways or put you out of the country if you annoyed them,or shoot your kids in the legs or break their arms and legs with baseball bats for clowning about inthe streets.I just don't understant why the SDLP isnt the biggest nationalist party here. Do catholics here have no conciounses or are they just so thick that they belive everyting sinn fein/ira tells them? Cetainaly no Protestant would vote for any party that is a front for a band of outlaws.And you said you were stopped and manhandled by troops,but these were soldiers over here to deal with dangerous terrorists and in case you didnt know,women IRA murderers,lured off duty soldiers in Northern Ireland from bars,with the promise of a party an late nightdrink an mabye a bit more,but when the soldiers arrived they were murdered bu waiting IRA gunmen,or at the side of the road if they got out for a piss on the way to the 'party', so the Soldiers were used to seeing their mates murered on a daily basis,thats why they behaved agressively,they were just trying to do their job.And finally if we could we would have a devolved government,ut we can't have one with these hoods invlved in the running of it,i could name a list as ln s my arm about the things sinn fein/ira was up to th ast time theywere involved in a devolved government.This cn never be alowed to happen again unless these people completely dispandbut we all know thy have no intention in doing so and nowhere else would allow people like that in government accept somewere like North Korea or Zimbabwe so we most certianly will not have it.And sinn fein/ira are setting their sights on Eire aswell by the way

David: 15th May 2005 - 21:22 GMT

And it was because of a weak Ulster Unionist party that entertained sinn fein/ira for so long that 'stuff went wrong', as you put it.But thank god they have been decimated by the D.U.P who wont let these sinn fein/ira bandits and outlaws pull the wool over their eyes.

David: 15th May 2005 - 21:35 GMT

And during the period of the good friday agreement,the majority of Unionists kept voting in favour of it and voting for the weak Unionists,until they finally saw that things were getting well out of hand.Thats why the Labour goverment could enforce it,and everybody branded the D.U.P extremests and unimportant.But now Tony Blair is faced(hes already had a visit from big paisley)with a missive anti agreement DUP delegation who have an enormous mandate.So none of this type of stuff will or can happen again.

David: 15th May 2005 - 21:59 GMT

And no Northern Ireland Unionist party would dream of participating in the Southern Government under any circumstances,thats laughable. We don't care if the Eire is raining with gold we still want nothing to do with it.

David: 15th May 2005 - 22:06 GMT

We arn't interested in power or money, But sinn fein/ira our and thats all they are interested in,and of course they will try and have the same grip on people in Eire,their sights are firmly on it already.Just remember that HotdogX when you have an argument with a sinn/fein ira member about them jumping a que in a fish and chip shop,and the next day men come into your house and smash it to pieces an give you 24 hrs to get out of the country.

David: 15th May 2005 - 22:25 GMT

And you must be unaware of the fact that sinn fein/ira have already publically called for Catholic's not to join,or even recognise the new police force,and we all know what that means if any Catholics from areas like the Falls or Ardoyne do join it.

David: 15th May 2005 - 22:30 GMT

sinn fein/ira won't even sit on the policing board.I suppose its understandable. If you were robbing banks and peoples businesses,murdering and itimmidating people and selling drugs to kids,and all sorts of other scumbag stuff,Why on earth would you want to be friends with the people that are trying to catch you.

VIKS: 15th May 2005 - 23:43 GMT

Y cnt catholics jus accept that we live in Northern Ireland? u can call it jus ireland al u like bt go take a look at maps, NORTHERN IRELAND! stick ur tiocfaidh ar las

Shankill.: 16th May 2005 - 01:29 GMT

A bit of clarification for that ignorant bastard jamie further up the list.He or She tries to glorify the PIRA,RIRA and CIRA and says the UFF/UDA and the UVF(very surprisingly) are just front names for drug trafficing organisations.All these republican groups are up to their necks in all sorts of crime.Robbing, Murdering, Drug Dealing,teaching drug gangs in Columbia how to cause death and destruction and manty other things.The UDA/UFF has been involved with drugs,but i would hardly say they were an organisation dedicated soley to drug trafficing,however now they are cleaning themselves up and have got rid 1 by 1 of the Drug Dealers and Gangsters slowley but surely.To say the U.V.F is a front name for drug trafficers is one of the most totally ubsurd things i have ever heard in my life.Anybody in any loyalist area will tell you the UVF is opposed to drugs and the only fights with others that jamie mentions are fights in which the U.V.F has had to deal with drug dealing gangsters.The U.V.F is the most secretive noble and disiplined army in Ulster and has kept their ceasfire in place with ruthless internal discipline,unlike the IRA who just can't help robbing and drug dealing and smuggling and making money any way they can.Any members of the U.V.F who are foundto be involved with drugs either end up with one in the head or are expelled from the organisation and the country in desgrace.If people don't belive this,just ask any ordinary person shopping on the Shankill Road what they think of the U.V.F and you will see that they are held in very high regard and try to link the U.V.F with drugs dealing and they will laugh in your face.If you can't do this,take the time to read about the U.V.F's activities over the last few years and you will see that even the Security Forces accept that the U.V.F leadership is against drugs,and all the times the U.V.F has had to go back into action over the last few years has been to tackle the drug dealers and other scumbags threatening the peace. So before you open your mouth Jamie in future,get your FACTS RIGHT.

Shankill: 16th May 2005 - 01:40 GMT

No prizes for guessing that jamie's a yankee.He says he's been 'submersed' in this culture for years,but for someone who says they've been submersed in our culture for years,he is coming out with a load of rubbish an should learn a bit more about the U.V.F before saying things about them.Even a P.I.R.A man would admit that the U.V.F is against drugs and gangsterism.

Shankill: 16th May 2005 - 01:54 GMT

Yes,well by looking more closely what jamie has written it is obvious that he has 'submersed' himself in republican goings on here and knows virtually nothing about Loyalists.Why is there so many irriting,ignorant,opinionated people poking their nose into our wee countrys buiness????And thinking they somehow have a right to,Well thats all the sad bastards can do,read and suck in republican tales and propaganda over the internet while sitting on their fat clinically obesse asses stuffing their face with food.Ignornant bastards,comment on your own country,not ours.

Jamie: 16th May 2005 - 07:53 GMT

Jamie is English. Perhaps you should look a little more close at whati have written here, and get your facts striaght before attempting to insult me as such! I care nothing for either cause and certainly am not looking to glorify the republican one. I lived in NI for two years which certainly makes me no expert on the troubles but it has definately given me a much deeper understanding than most english/scottish/welsh people (which is generally zero) Having said that though, thanks for your contribution to this long running debate. Certianly much more articulate than the usual drivel. But dude, i'm not against you, but loyalists must realise the british are not on your side.