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Motorist Vs Courier

- hool - Thursday, January 26th, 2006 : goo

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hool: 26th Jan 2006 - 07:58 GMT

EDITOR'S NOTE: The Toronto Star took the photographs from this article, and printed them on the front page of Tuesday's paper. The Toronto Star used these photos despite the photographer's explicit statement to them that they do not have permission to print the photographs. Citynoise.org and its contributors retain copyright to their work. Do not reproduce without consent. And now back to our regularly scheduled internet.

the first few are dark because i was set to manual exposure for a bright shot before this suddenly appeared across the street.

anon (digitalaudio.DESIGN.upenn.edu): 26th Jan 2006 - 11:21 GMT

best citynoise of all time, a title formerly held by Crow Vs. Goose...

Cheesy_Member: 26th Jan 2006 - 11:59 GMT

A few questions for you Hool....
Was the Courier female?
How do you get away with taking pics.. no one seems to notice? Hidden Cam?

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 26th Jan 2006 - 13:30 GMT

Hool, embedded photograper, Toronto.
I'd love to know what happened and why the motorist went apeshit.

indykid: 26th Jan 2006 - 13:48 GMT

WOW! Wonder why that all blew up?...surely if the courier had hit the car, she would of got away by the time the aggressive guy got out? Besides, I think you can see someone is in the driving seat of the car in the 1st pic?

Myke: That's pretty messed.

Peter: 26th Jan 2006 - 14:03 GMT

Wow... yes, .

also: i see she has a u-lock tucked under her belt. she should have been using that on the guy attacking her. nothing quashes road-rage like a 5-pound steel bikelock swung full-speed into one's face.

nic: any idea what happened?

groovehouse: nice action shots!!

jsolo_uno: 26th Jan 2006 - 15:24 GMT

that kook had better have been arrested or beat the shit out of.
damn straight a u-lock should def be used on heads like that...

amore e biciclette: 26th Jan 2006 - 16:10 GMT

i see this messeneger around all the time. nice to see her fighting back!
damn kensignton, the motorists in there are nuts, i wish they could push it as a car free zone!

ryan: [[img:7992]]

jeeff: 26th Jan 2006 - 16:45 GMT

there is quite a story behind this. i'm sure hool will share when he's woken up.

jack: 26th Jan 2006 - 17:11 GMT

i would love to kick the shit out of that bully. he is the kind of guy who would go after a smaller person, not to even mention a girl. sob.

adam: 26th Jan 2006 - 18:19 GMT

looks like the people got him.. roadrage + messengers = bad mix

hool: 26th Jan 2006 - 19:09 GMT

i did not see the beginning of this, but the report goes as follows:
motorist throws food out of window. courier, disliking littering, picks up food and throws food back in car. motorist dumps coffee on courier. courier scratches car with key. road rage ensues.

the courier is female. i 'got away' with taking pics by just doing it openly. nobody noticed me because the focus is obviously on the altercation at hand.

i followed the motorist back to his car to photograph his license plate number. he proceeded to open his trunk, take out a baseball bat, and charge me. i walked away, and was one of only two witnesses to stay at the scene and give a statement to police.

groovehouse: i bet that guy will still litter...

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:00 GMT

Littering, assault, property damage, threatening behaviour, general stupidity. I think this guy is going down.

jeeff: not to mention making scary faces.

ahimsa: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:16 GMT

jesus, what a fucking asshole
i hope he got in trouble because that was fucking ridiculous.

ahimsa: btw, where did this happen in toronto?

after this nap: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:23 GMT

Well it's obvious she didn't back down. Good for her. I usually try to avoid confrontations with motorists..up to a point. If someone actually stopped their car to stomp on my bike, they would have a car with a lot of missing windows.

Leera: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:31 GMT

Yea. U kno, road-rage is stoopid, but when u see some guy tryna beat up a girl and smash her bike, u think da fucker deserved it. And he prolly did. So yea, good for her!! I feel so bad for her n hope her bike is OK 2.

knarf: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:33 GMT

That's Leah, a Toronto courier. I'm a former courier, now dispatching. She was defending her space, and this guy attacks her. Typical behaviour of a motorist.

-knarf

Peter: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:38 GMT

i agree. though i didnt always, the past couple of years i generally go out of my way to avoid road-rage situations or altercations like this while cycling.... yet theres something... something about the look on both his and her faces that forces you to empathize with her... and hope the guy at least learned his lesson (or gets a citation/fine/pinsihment or some sort).

getting thata aggro on another human (especially male-on-female violence) is just no good. and stomping her bike.... not cool.

KnacK: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:39 GMT

SOMEONE SHOULD POST THIS LINK IN OTHER TORONTO FORUMS SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHO THE GUY IS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM AND THE POOR MESSANGER

Ashley Smithers: That guy deserves to be shot.

Ash: That guy deserves to be shot.

Nexy: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:47 GMT

Hi Frank,

Interesting, I didn't think the article had any validity till I saw your name there - I was going to delete it out of the community that linked me here but as it is a valid article, it will remain.

Cheers
nex

jeeff: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:51 GMT

whew, good thing we've got frank's cred to back us up.

JohnnyBender: No way. That's totally staged, right?

yokes: 26th Jan 2006 - 20:57 GMT

Based on hool's timeline, taking it at face value, frankly, both sides are to blame, at least partially.
1) He's an jagoff for littering.
2) She's a douchebag for throwing it back at him. She had no right to do this, however much we might agree with her motivations.
3) He's a major fucktard for throwing coffee at her (assault). Real mature, buddy. Real mature.
4) She's a bitch for keying his car. What is the best way to escalate a situation even further? This is.
5) He's a donkey raping shit eater for responding to the provocation and escalating it even further. I hope he is caught and does a little time behind bars to do some thinking.

serendipity: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:03 GMT

i sure hope the cops catch/caught this guy.

jeeff: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:03 GMT

i really like the smiling old couple in the first photo who look and just keeeep on walking...

T0r0nt0-MaSsIvE: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:06 GMT

Hey, thats Leah! I bet she kicked his ass, as well she should have!!!

Sam: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:08 GMT

That's not staged, I'm a friend of hers and she wouldn't do that. Looks like she got into his face, didn't back down. Good for her cause I bet she did it without escalating. She's nice that way.

Jeremy: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:08 GMT

I'm on the courier's side until she elevates to vandalism.

Yes, the motorist was wrong to litter, and I might have done the same as the courier. No, he shouldn't have dumped his coffee on her. However, scraping his car with a key takes it to a level far and above anything else. That sort of damage costs several thousand dollars to repair. I can totally understand why he then flew into a rage and stomped her bike.

I'm not excusing him but he is not the only guilty party here.

griim: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:12 GMT

I hope this guy is charged with something. Any followup on this?

jsolo_uno: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:21 GMT

"However, scraping his car with a key takes it to a level far and above anything else."

whoah, throwing coffee on someone is fucking assault.
damage to a fucking paintjob, he earned that as far as i'm concerned, if he wanted he had the option of legal action...at least before he stepped up his fucking violence. fuck him and his paintjob.

fuck that taking sides with the paintjob shit.

Jeremy: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:25 GMT

he is the most at fault here.

But rather than cause thousands of dollars in damage to his car over "potentially" hot beverage, she should have just punched him in the mouth.

Now he has phyiscal evidence to use against her.

cranky: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:25 GMT

Absolutely.

And as someone who is rather allergic to coffee, it would be a painful experience for me even if it was cold.

No, scratching a car wasn't the best thing to do, but I totally get the courier's actions.

ullyeus: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:26 GMT

WHOA

just WHOA

I personally think they both share some of that responsibility...I mean...keying his vehicle was definetly crossing a line

Yalla: that guy looks like a complete tool

Mark: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:28 GMT

If someone's directly assaulting me, I'd rather go after someone directly than their car.

yokes: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:28 GMT

"whoah, throwing coffee on someone is fucking assault"

No doubt. So is throwing garbage back at someone (theoretically. The details of the throwing weren't provided).

Mark: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:29 GMT

well, at least the garbage probably wasnt scalding hot :P

jsolo_uno: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:29 GMT

"Now he has phyiscal evidence to use against her."
where this is true, your statement about how SHE had taken it "to level far and above anything else" by damaging his paint sort of indicates that you believe her to be the one carrying the most responsability for how this went down.

that idea irks me more than just a little.

Dave: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:31 GMT

It actually looks like he is trying to smash her bike, not her. Photo 6 looks like her assulting him while he's jumping on her back tire (maybe rightfully so)

She shouldn't have keyed his car. She should have called the cops after he threw coffee on her (which he shouldn't have done). If somebody keyed my car I'd want to smash their bike as well.

Mark: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:32 GMT

and if someone threw coffee at me, id want to key their car as well.

your car makes you look fat: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:32 GMT

how is the value of paint job on a thing more than the skin on someone's body?

Yalla: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:33 GMT

skin heals itself and paint doesnt? hahaha j/k ;)

Sam: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:34 GMT

It's a car, not his penis. Part of the problem is the attachment that weirdos get to their cars. For some reason otherwise ordinary people accept violence and commit violent acts, up to and including murder, because of a real or percieved affront regarding their automobile. It's just a car and it can't make you special, no one living in the real world should care what it looks like to the point of accepting violent behavior.

Just like "road rage" as a defense is not acceptable. It isn't a psychsosis or an altered state or a temporary pass to insanity land. It is a weakness plain and simple, weak character, poor impulse control, whatever you want to call it. It's just a failing and any damage resulting should be considered the resonsibility of the assailant, including any jail time owed to the society he somehow thought he was an untouchable in.

jsolo_uno: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:35 GMT

"It actually looks like he is trying to smash her bike, not her. Photo 6 looks like her assulting him while he's jumping on her back tire (maybe rightfully so)"

fuck that, the freak is practically on top of her in a violent rage, i don't care what his intention was, that there is self defence.

fuck him and his paint, fuck.

fuck=the new period

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:37 GMT

It's funny that if the courier had called the police when the driver threw presumably hot coffee on her, he would be buggered. And if he had called the police when she keyed his car, she would be looking at a fine. Escalating this didn’t do either of them any good.
Of course, who’s to say what triggers you to become a homicidal, axe-wielding murderer. Littering would do it for me.

Freud: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:39 GMT

I'd say they both have some aggression issues to iron out.

jeeff: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:39 GMT

don't forget that he also chased the photographer with a baseball bat.

jsolo_uno: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:39 GMT

to what sam said.
damn skippy!
guess i just assumed folks would have that as part of thier understanding of what common sense and decency might consist of...

yaz: would love to hear a voice over of this...

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:56 GMT

I rescind any comments that infer any leniency toward the driver. He is an complete gobshite and I hope his nutsack falls off. (Thanks Jeef for reminding me that he nearly took a bat to Hool.)

Chucky: 26th Jan 2006 - 21:58 GMT

OK he threw garbage on the street (will piss people off) but she started it by throwing the garbage at him (will piss anyone off). she should have let him know that she didn't appreciate that. people in Toronto tend to disrespect each other so casually because they have a false sense of being in a "safe" city.

ken: 26th Jan 2006 - 22:11 GMT

scratched car != smashed bike + assaulted girl.

It's his own damn fault for owning something thats gonna cost thousands of dollars to fix a scratch on. Damn SUV drivers think the world is their trash can. His disrepect absolutely deserves having garbage thrown BACK at him and having his car scratched. I'd do the same thing in a heartbeat. Except, I'd get away before the douche could get out at me.

ian: 26th Jan 2006 - 22:41 GMT

I would have beat the shit out of him with the u-lock. I get crazy sometimes.

bikesafe: 26th Jan 2006 - 22:54 GMT

In one picture it looks like he's about to do the Roach Stomp dance on her bike.
What an unfortunate series of events. And I was considering being a courier myself. ;o)

I often feel like doing just what the courier did by throwing back the garbage into the car. Even as a pedestrian. But to get coffee dumped on? That's clearly assault. If I were her at this point, I'd have just taken it and the license plate number down and filed a report. But I wasn't there. Kudos to the passerby who took pictures. Perhaps the police will request local retailer's video camera footage as well.

I'd love to attend the court date for this one. I wonder if it'll make the City-TV news at 6?

Getting his car keyed kinda serves him (the driver) right for littering. I bet he'll think twice about that from now on. Or maybe not. Maybe he'll carry a gun instead of a bat next time. What is our city becoming?

Next time I go for a bike ride, I think I'll bring along a baseball bat. Just in case. ;o)

bikesafe

Jovan: 26th Jan 2006 - 22:58 GMT

I look forward to this being available on Pay Per View.
This is as entertaining as Bumfights.

anakanak: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:25 GMT

Based on the text report posted above, I think the line was crossed when she threw garbage in his car. Littering is a pain in the ass, but it wasn't directed at her, and it didn't actually harm her personally. She started it, he retaliated, she escalated, he retaliated again. She doesn't seem to have particular trouble standing up for herself. I'd say this is two hotheads duking it out, not some guy attacking some poor, defenseless female.

Crucible: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:27 GMT

Comp coverage would have covered the keying. And what about the charging with the baseball bat? But a salient point is, all this is speculation and hearsay. Even the person who took the pictures didn't see the whole story. Nonetheless, assault is never cool nor justified, unlesss it's in defence of oneself or others.

Jeremy: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:27 GMT

Insurance isn't free - the costs would likely come back in the form of higher premiums. Also he loses the use of the vehicle for the time it takes to repair it.

Either way, I'm not saying the guy isn't a totally assclown, just that the courier isn't a damsel in distress and is equally responsible for this combined idiocy.

mightydoll: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:29 GMT

It's not like she threw random street garbage into his car, she returned to him his litter. Very different, in my opinion.

Not that she should have keyed his car, but throwing coffee on someone IS assault and retaliation for assault is hard to prosecute.(he could argue that throwing the litter back into his car was assault too, that'd be up to the judge).

Logan: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:29 GMT

he'd have a strong case with the fact that he carries a BASEBALL BAT around in his car... who does that? and for what purpose? If you carry a baseball bat around in your car chances are it's there for a reason... not sure what that reason is... but it's probably nothing to do with jacking up your car if you have a flat tire...

Mr. Flagg: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:30 GMT

hitting a chick just isn't cool
no matter what else happened in that sitch

buddy needs to have his nads forcibly removed

mscissorhand: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:31 GMT

I have been known to hand someone back their own litter and am not ashamed to do so, littering is very offensive and illegal on many levels. It is too bad they don't really enforce fines for people who litter or dump garbage period. The rest of the situation is merely speculation as I wasn't a witness, both acted poorly, it all comes down to is assaulting a person a worse offense than harming a vehicle?

ilifer: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:33 GMT

n the picture it looks like he's about to do the Roach Stomp dance on her bike.
What an unfortunate series of events. And I was considering being a courier myself. ;o)

I often feel like doing just what the courier did by throwing back the garbage into the car. Even as a pedestrian. But to get coffee dumped on? That's clearly assault. If I were her at this point, I'd have just taken it and the license plate number down and filed a report. But I wasn't there. Kudos to the passerby who took pictures. I'd love to attend the court date for this one. I wonder if it'll make the City-TV news at 6?

Getting his car keyed kinda serves him (the driver) right for littering. I bet he'll think twice about that from now on. Or maybe not. Maybe he'll carry a gun instead of a bat next time. What is our city becoming?

anon (hlfxns0147w-1421672070a2.ns.aliant.net): 26th Jan 2006 - 23:33 GMT

They should both be charged.

kitty: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:35 GMT

Well then, picking fights with girls... hopefully he gets busted. Neither of them were in the right, but he went a little too far.

jewels: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:37 GMT

he's lucky she only keyed his car. if someone threw coffee at me, i would probably rip their face off. maybe i need anger management too!

but sadly, the story made me chuckle a bit... but only because it reminds me of the part in Anchorman when Will Ferrell throws the burrito out the window at Jack Black. At least she didn't punt his dog off a bridge or anything. haha. sorry.

Becky: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:39 GMT

So the correct response to getting coffee dumped on you is to smash their face with a steel bike lock? Keying his car is OK because it's only a car, but damaging her bike is wrong? Riiight.

Littering, tossing garbage in someone's car, assault, vandalism, and more vandalism; I don't see an innocent party here. Sure, he started it (if this were kindergarten), but there is no excuse for either of them escalating. The proper response to illegal behavior is not escalated illegal behavior.

Kenobi: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:40 GMT

Based on what's been said ...

The courier should NOT have thrown it back in, but instead just yelled at him to draw attention to him and make him look like an ass. Instead, she (allegedly) threw it back in which is just asking for trouble. She is not the police, and it's not her job to be judge & jury of a crime

KHS: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:42 GMT

lets see now ..
litlering, assult, assult & battery, property damage, damn close to assult with intent !!
not good, not good at all, a no win situation
another reason I carry a camera, pencil & paper, as I've had a few close calls myself.

a gold star for the dudes that interviened !!!

it would apperar that he has some major issues to address .. Soooooon !
my heart go's out to the gal tho

brightwhite: great photojournalism...

xforthebestx: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:49 GMT

i fully condone the action by the courier and expect each of you kids to put your money where your mouth is and go and key a car tonight. any car. indiscriminately. just make sure you don't use a car key though, shit's weak. if you don't do this, you are a posenger. straight up.

adamino: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:50 GMT

Sometimes I wonder what people think they'll accomplish by "teaching people a lesson?" Did she think the guy would chuckle, give her the finger guns and say "ya got me, hahaha!" Yeesh.

If it were me, and I really cared about litter, I'd pick it up and put it in the garbage.

jeeff: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:56 GMT

i wonder how differently this would have gone if she'd thrown it on his windshield. maybe he still would have freaked out, but i think her initial act would have been much more acceptable to most people. if he can throw it on the ground, it follows that she can throw it on a car.

hool: 26th Jan 2006 - 23:58 GMT

i was told by police that the courier could be charged with assault for throwing the food at the motorist, and mischief for the car damage (if the motorist chose to press charges) - and that the motorist could be charged with assault for his response in attacking (if the courier chose to press charges). the motorist drove away but was soon pulled over when we reported his license plate number. i do not know what the final outcome was in this situation. clearly, it shows how quickly a situation can escalate in the streets. choose your responses carefully.

to those who suggested attacking with the u-lock would have been an appropriate response: i disagree. that could lead to an assault with a deadly weapon charge, which carries a prison term. also, any weapon you use can be taken from you and used against you. a food fight should not escalate to skull cracking nor murder.

mindme: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:00 GMT

She should have used her bike. At least toss the food back and zip away, down a one way street. I don't know what she thought she was trying to do, all 98 lbs of her, waiting around to see the ape's reaction.

nex: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:01 GMT

After having some time to digest this during my dinner (there's a pun for you.. digest.. dinner... get it?), I think that she's awfully lucky that she didn't get a..umm... how do the kids say it.. "cap in her ass" I believe is the correct terminology?

Really, who knows WHAT that person could be carrying - it may not have been a baseball bat but a shotgun.. and buddy may have been just that insane as to have used it.

bikesafe: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:13 GMT

I hope the police "busted a cap in his ass" when they pulled him over.

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:23 GMT

ILifer-- That's right. From now on I'm going to be doubly careful not to squeeze past anyone or look at them the wrong way or do anything at all that they might not like, because They Might Have A Gun.

nex: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:33 GMT

We've seen people get beaten to a pulp for a lot less by idiots who obviously don't give a rats ass about you, the individual, or anyone else.

I'm not saying that one should not voice ones opinion regarding tossing out garbage; a simple "Hey buddy, I'm riding here, please be careful where you're throwing your garbage" would have been suffice.

Picking up said garbage and tossing it back just provides the idiot an opportunity to further escalate the situation - then it becomes a case of chicken - which, when dealing with an idiot such as this guy, is not exactly the smartest route to take.

sarah: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:34 GMT

What the fuck!!! It is also a misogynist taking it out on a woman, fuck that shit, I'd cut that man-bitch in a heartbeat. I usually always have my sizeable flip on the inside of my chest strap, a girls got to pack these days.

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:35 GMT

nex... Yeah but if he's an idiot, then a simple "Hey buddy, I'm riding here," could still set him off for all you know. Like you said, people get beaten to a pulp for less.

Not that I don't think it might have been wiser for to jot down his license plate and pedal her ass out of there after he dumped the coffee on her, but I think it's silly to walk around assuming anyone and everyone could be a nutbar with a gun.

adam: im glad hool's camera wasnt broken

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: I'm glad Hool wasn't broken.

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:45 GMT

also, re: using her bike, it's possible she tried to get away and he chased her, or she couldn't - it looks like they're in Kensington, which can be pretty dense and difficult to navigate, even on a bike, at times. We don't know the whole story.

From here, you can:

nex: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:46 GMT

shyzer--

Or a nutbar with a baseball bat..
or a nutbar with a knife..
or a nutbar who might just start up the van and try to run you over..

I could go on but my point is, don't bother provoking people into a situation that will easily escalate. After the "hey buddy I'm riding here".. pick up the garbage, as you said, take his plate, and ride along.

Life is too short to be wasting it trying to act tough, no matter who it is that one may or may not be trying to impress; even if that person is just yourself.

nobody: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:47 GMT

Maybe she was polite about it - we don't actually know. If it was, say, an empty coffee cup that he dropped on the ground, and she picked it up and dropped in in his window saying, "I believe this belongs to you," I'd say that's a totally appropriate response. A little snarky, bordering on rude, perhaps, but appropriate for the situation.

If it was, let's say, a half eaten sandwich, and she whipped it in the car deliberately so that its contents smeared all over the inside of the vehicle while yelling, "Don't litter, asswipe!", then I'd say she was clearly in the wrong from the start.

But we can only speculate on this for now.

abbey: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:48 GMT

Seriously though, regardless of what she said, she should have been smarter, people have been murdered over less.

scotty: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:48 GMT

how long is it before Chrome Bags uses some of these photos as promotional material?

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:48 GMT

Oh lord. Don't you start on that too. Please give me ONE example of someone being murdered over litter.

abbey: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:49 GMT

Read again, did I state that? The guy had a baseball bat in his trunk didn't he? You are picking the wrong person to argue with, whats the point?

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:50 GMT

Ok, show me one example of someone being murdered for less than litter.

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:50 GMT

Life's too short to be afraid of nutbars.

Though I won't defend the keying of the car, I don't think she intended any sort of bravado by returning his litter. Assuming she did it with any decorum (which she may not have) I actually applaud her sticking up for herself and the community that way.

abbey: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:51 GMT

Buddy. This is the internet. If you like it or not I have a right to my own opinions. I'm not here to argue them with you or anyone else. People have been killed/injured for looking at someone the wrong way, stepping on someones shoes, having a ipod or any other "device" of the moment. Go out and read a newspaper.

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:53 GMT

Buddy, this is the internet. We're all here to argue. I'm not denying you your right to an opinion; I'm engaging it. Part of having an opinion is defending it.

I'm asking for one example. A specific example, not generalizations. I refuse to believe that there's a trend or people simply killing perfect strangers for looking at them the wrong way. It's simply an urban myth. And the ipod thing doesn't count - we're not talking about theft here. We're talking about unpremeditated murder (which would likely be considered manslaughter, but semantics semantics) provoked over something as simple as litter.

FLAMEWAR!: ITS ON!!!

mindme: 27th Jan 2006 - 00:55 GMT

The first rule of being a biker activist: make sure you have an escape route before you take on an ape behind the wheel.

abbey: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:00 GMT

So I am going to sit here looking for one single occurance where someone was injured or killed for something that is deemed minor? Obviously I stated my point for a reason, I have seen people injured because they stepped on someones new shoes, but thats irrelevant. Any teenager in high school can tell you they've seen someone get the shit kicked out of them for less. Have a great night.

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:01 GMT

I'm just asking you to back that up. If you can't think of one single occurance, then you probably shouldn't have said it.

abbey: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:01 GMT

can think of plenty, like I said read a newspaper. Go check up on Caribana for the past 2 years, see why 2 people were murdered.

Once again, have a great night.

shyzer: For littering?

abbey: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:03 GMT

"...regardless of what she said, she should have been smarter, people have been murdered over LESS."

CYNIC: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:06 GMT

What's she got in her hand in the third photo down? Something with prongs...

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:16 GMT

still don't see an example here.

And I'm tired of all the "OH NOES! EVERYONE HAS A GUN AND WILL POP A CAP IN YOUR ASS AS SOON AS LOOK AT YOU!"

I once had a cop tell me that the people in my neighbourhood would, and I quote, "slit your throat for five bucks." What a load of horseshit that was. Yeah people get killed without a good reason, beacause there is no good reason. And people we know all too well that complete innocents have been hit by stray bullets and killed in this city. But I refuse to put up with people telling us we should all Mind Out Own Business because They Might Have A Gun.

If I need to read a newspaper, you need to read between the lines.

kenobi: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:17 GMT

Perhaps you've missed the story of Matti Baranovski getting beat up in a North York park over cigarettes ?

hmmm ?

shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:18 GMT

That is a good example, thank you.

Although I maintain that things like that happen FAR too few and far between for any of us to be concerned about them in our day-to-day life.

elias666: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:33 GMT

two idiots fighting in the street like idiots. i don't give a shit that the girl is riding a bike, asshats ride bikes and drive cars, as this BS clearly demonstrates.

I do think it is funny that that dude seems to be getting his ass kicked by someone that weighs 20lbs less than him and is wearing a backpack and funny shoes though.

Mush-: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:43 GMT

actually, they're not too far and few in between, because prevalence of occasions like this increases when nothing is done in anyone's defense. as a canadian living in america for school, i've seen a lot of senseless shit. american's think nothing of it and move on with daily life. the same is happening to canada. canada is 12 years behind the U.S. (fact quoted to me by a police officer friend of mine) in terms of crime. the worst is not yet here and i should hope that we have developed better strategies for keeping our streets safe but more importantly, a strong sense of community when it comes to aiding others.

the point is that in this forum, there are several individuals even attempting to blame the girl. while it would have been "safer" and "less provocative" of the situation to take it in stride and walk away, that's what the states does. what should be on everyone's minds is that it's wrong to litter and those who do should be held accountable. second, it was nice to see everyone come to her aid. there comes a point in time where the community needs to fight crime itself.

i saved latin: holy crap, fuck that guy!

weave: 27th Jan 2006 - 01:52 GMT

i'm not the athletic type, but isn't baseball a little out of season?

JayMTL: 27th Jan 2006 - 02:10 GMT

Just to add another dimension - the thing I miss the least about being a courier is the road rage. Having people swerve at you in their cars sucks - but what sucks even worse is all the times people threaten your life just by not paying attention or by looking right through you - cutting lanes quickly while talking on their phone, not checking their blindspots, throwing open their doors while choking down a burger, whatever. I got pissed all the time because some idiot just made me dive to dodge their ass - and they don't even know what they did. What can you do? You're busting your hump all day to earn a decent paycheque - you don't have the liberty of stopping to sort people out. Most people you say something to will get uppity if you get in their face, even if they are wrong, and retaliating against cars DOES inspire instant road rage in most people, especially males. As a courier, you're kinda fucked all day long that way. So I can totally see that trash coming out the window as just being that one "fuck-you" too much for that particular courier. You learn to mellow out and expect every single person on the road to get in your way or try to kill you, but the essence of the situation remains... Nope, don't miss that at all!

So ya, the fight didn't prove anything, didn't change anything, but I betcha that courier felt good about getting some frustration out :) She'll be the talk of the courier bar I'm sure. And not letting Captain Aneurism there get his way is good in a karmic way I like to think.

I propose a petition to force all cyclist-directed road-ragers to ride a bike for 6 months. All in favour...

Jay

machry: 27th Jan 2006 - 02:14 GMT

mr. flagg: I think she's the animal's (ex?) girlfriend...

actually... check out that ROCK!!! she married the animal!

empresswu: suburban vs. urban

machry: 27th Jan 2006 - 02:16 GMT

I would hope it was like the scene out of Anchorman w/ Jack Black....

i.e. the tossing of garbage out the window caused a wipeout on the bike.

That's the only way I can see it justified.

endlessxmike: 27th Jan 2006 - 02:16 GMT

What would you do if someone dumped coffee on you? getting assaulted definitly justifies damageing property and damaging property does NOT justify that asshole assaulting her. what SHOULD you do if someone messes with you? get 3rd degree coffee burns and cry about it?

bottom line, damage property and if they get out of the car with a baseball bat damage their face with your U Lock.

machry: suburban vs. urban. you just blew my mind.

kevin: 27th Jan 2006 - 02:26 GMT

as a bicycle commuter myself and someone who has had their share of run-ins with moron drivers i say the cyclist probably has enough pent up anger against just about anyone in a car to justify what she did in her mind. its a war out there on the streets sometimes and if a cyclist loses... well they tend to eat it a little harder than even the weakest cars will.

jethro: 27th Jan 2006 - 02:44 GMT

they couldn't have picked a better spot for fighting. the background colors look like an army surplus store.

Mike: 27th Jan 2006 - 03:00 GMT

I've picked up litter and chased people down to give it to them. Granted, I didn't toss it through their open window. But still: fuck cars.

Cherri: 27th Jan 2006 - 03:54 GMT

Whoever said that yelling at him would have taught him a better lesson than giving him back his garbage obviously doesn't ride a bike in the city. Even when people almost hit you with their car and you yell at them they are more than willing to scream back at you or try to start something. Just telling him she "didn't appreciate his littering" probably would have still set him off to some degree.

Sam: 27th Jan 2006 - 04:07 GMT

Shyzer I can think of an example; A fellow was beaten to death, tortured 3 hours, burned and raped, sodomized with a stick and stomped on so hard a boot print was left in his face.

He had laughed at an acquaintance because of the way the acquaintance vomited after accidentally inhaling a drink and choking which provoked vomiting.

That's off the top of my head, there are a million examples and probability sez if you look you will find one where littering was the provacation.

Gonna, can't stop me.: 27th Jan 2006 - 04:28 GMT

This guy doesn't pay the dues for flippin out I gaurantee his wife will force him into an anger management program.....she'll have too when his pic (and hers) with his name is plastered all over the GTA.

I've got my own all set up, but for fun

How About A Caption Contest?

Pic 14 is the official screw the violent guy pic, captions anyone?

hool: 27th Jan 2006 - 05:15 GMT

to the previous commenter: please do not print these images and "plaster them all over the GTA". no, i cannot stop you, but i can sincerely request that you do not do so. this would be a further escalation of this situation, which is not warranted. feel free to discuss your thoughts here, make some captions, but please do not print these photographs (with or without names) and post them around toronto, the only thing it could do is cause further violence.

Peter: 27th Jan 2006 - 05:47 GMT

im with hool. be wise. respect. comment here. keep it here.

these were posted with good faith to a select audience. this entry has blown up with tons of publicity, and been viewed by a wider audience than expected.

hool: 27th Jan 2006 - 06:06 GMT

peter: thanks for the support. i don't publish anything in internet space with intent toward a select audience. i know very well that once something is put online, it's out of my control, so the narrowness or wideness of the audience is beside the point.

my point is that going to the trouble of printing pictures along with names and then postering them throughout the city is clearly an act of provocation, *not* dissemination. this event is over - it should be discussed, yes, but not further escalated.

adam: 27th Jan 2006 - 07:14 GMT

peter.. how wide of an audience? i can only imagine the amount of hits this thread has gotten

UsVSthem: 27th Jan 2006 - 07:29 GMT

Throwing your garbage on the streets is assault on us all.

Fuck that guy, fuck the interior of his car, fuck his paint job! He could have easily thrown his garbage in the back of his SUV. Back in that huge expanse of wasted space. He should fear throwng garbage on the street, for he ends up with an asswhoopin!

And fuck motorists! Its us versus them. They are never going to except us as bikers anyway, so why should we except them?

Can't wait till we run out of oil. Then fuckers like that will have to give up their SUV's.

Dear Shyzer: 27th Jan 2006 - 07:51 GMT

"I'm asking for one example. A specific example, not generalizations. I refuse to believe that there's a trend or people simply killing perfect strangers for looking at them the wrong way. It's simply an urban myth."

People commit random acts of violence for no reason at all, all the time. Last week someone was stabbed with a screwdriver in the back, no theft, no argument, just stabbed. Recently, someone assaulted a man while a friend video taped it. Random act, no reason.

He never said there was a trend, only that "people have killed for less" - which is true. No reason at all is less a provocation than littering.

Jeremy: 27th Jan 2006 - 07:53 GMT

I like how the bikers say "fuck him, fuck his car" and "she's right, he shouldn't stomp her bike".

So her property should be respected, while his is fair game.

Someone else already summed it up - they're both fucking idiots for escalating this well beyond reason. He shouldn't have dumped coffee on her and she shouldn't have keyed his car. It's not bikes vs. cars here, it's common sense vs. rage and they're both on the wrong side of that equation. End of story.

mnbiker: 27th Jan 2006 - 09:15 GMT

hey this made it's way on to our biking forum in MN.
as i posted in that forum.

when you think about it traffic had to be moving slow that day.
wait for some one to drop something out of a car window.
bike over stop pick it up.
find the car and get close to them.

that would take some time, you would think if you could do all of that you could ride away turn down a one way or bolt and the person would not get you. did she want to piss the guy off. it really seems like if she had that much time to do the above she would have had time to bike away. yet she was that close that he could get her with coffee. then she stuck around to key his car, she did not take off she then stuck around to wait for him to get her off the bike.

seems to me she could have been 2 blocks away at least i would have been.

Jamie: 27th Jan 2006 - 10:44 GMT

adam: well at the time of writing this, this page says it has been viewed 4099 times, and it's also jumped to the top of this months list of most popular articles. nice one hool.

toronto cyclist: 27th Jan 2006 - 13:06 GMT

your all basing it on assumptions of 'accurate' inforamtion, which Hool admits himself he didn't see how it all started. he just heard second hand that she picked up the garbage and threw it back in the car. It's quite possible when driver tossed it out his window in the first place that it hit her in the face or landed right in her lap.
That would mean the difference for me, if the guy tossed garbage and it missed my head by an inch... I'd be pissed and probably yell, but that's it. But if it directly hit me in the face I'm sure I'd be pushed to the point of retalliation.

Cheesy_Member: 27th Jan 2006 - 14:15 GMT

Getting his car keyed kinda serves him (the driver) right for littering. I bet he'll think twice about that from now on. Or maybe not. Maybe he'll carry a gun instead of a bat next time. What is our city becoming?

This is so so wrong, no one desrves to have their car keyed for littering. Paint Job costs £1000's picking up litter costs nothing.
To be honest is miss goody two shoes dislikes littering so much she should have taken his plate and reported him. Doing anymore than this and she deserves everything she got!!!

steelisreal: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:04 GMT

I think we have 2 types of people that are coming here and looking at this from different angles.

1. the people that believe cyclists and especially couriers are always right in these type of things. these people will defend couriers to the last days over the right to defend themselves or what not.

2. and now for the others, the ones that can find fault in the courier and in the man and think both should be charged.

i personally like the courier, being a bike punk myself.... i think she did nothing wrong. I also advocate peeing on suv door handles and stickering them with anti-suv slogans.... just my mentality i guess.

JayEastsider: Just another day in Toronto

JayEastsider: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:11 GMT

Where is that Hool in Kensington Market?

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:16 GMT

the guy is a turd for throwing garbage on the street, BUT he didn't throw the garbage at her, so why the hell did she go out of her way to pick up the garbage and throw it at him. everyone seems to be on the cyclist side but it looks to me like she assaulted him first.

I'm all for smashing, keying, breaking mirrors, windshields etc....... but only when a motorist tries to kill or hurt me first.
I was a messenger in Toronto and i've had motorists spit at me, side swipe me, and try to run me off the road in busses, now thats a reason to be pissed.
I see someone throwing garbage, hey your a jerk this a clean city we don't appreciate that. but i'm not gonna risk getting into a fight over it.

broken: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:18 GMT

Of course she did something wrong, throwing food back in his car is just as wrong as him throwing it out, it's just as much assault as throwing coffee ( ie, throwing anything at someone is assault regardless of temperature ) they're both at fault here, he shouldn't have littered, she could've thrown the food out and taken his plate down if she cared that much about littering instead of starting a confrontation, I don't think anyone here would take something thrown at or in their car lightly ( regardless of whether it's deserved or not ).

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:21 GMT

exactly, and for the guy that says all cyclist would be on the cyclist side and all non-cyclist would be on the motorists side, your wrong. i'm a cyclist and i see who's right and who's wrong.

Peter: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:30 GMT

i love that our contingent can tell that this is , just based on the few, detailed photos. cool.

John: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:44 GMT

There seem to be a lot of people arguing about who messed up more. Just to weigh in, it was obviously the driver, but this isn't the point. Both sides clearly made some decisions which were ultimately detrimental to their safety but this is not the point either. While this motorist was armed with a baseball bat, here in DC that could easily have been a 9mm. Hool said it all "a food fight should not escalate to skull cracking nor murder." There are a lot of assholes out there and you're never gonna change that. While it may not seem as gratifying at the time, the sweetest revenge is to blow by them at the next red light. Standing up for yourself means self preservation too.

Adam in Mpls: 27th Jan 2006 - 15:57 GMT

I dunno man... he threw his shit out into her space, and she just returned it back to his space.

When you're in a situation like that, what are you gonna do? Report littering to the police? Yeah, they'll get right on that. Report having coffee spilled on you to the police? Same thing, plus he'll just point out how you threw his garbage back at him, and cops are always sympathetic to drivers. You can't go after the guy himself because he's ensconced in steel, so a minor scratch is the only way to really get his attention. I guarantee that cost less to repair than the damage to her bike.

But I still don't get why she stuck around. It looks like he went all the way around the back of his minivan to come after her. An experienced messenger like that could've been blocks away. She was obviously not done with this punk.

Still, I'd say that the worst thing to come out of it was going after the photographer with a baseball bat. Hope he serves jail time for that one.

I wonder how it all played out in the end.

Fritz: 27th Jan 2006 - 16:07 GMT

I don't get it. How do you know the guy is a motorist and not a pedestrian? You ever see that episode of STar Trek TNG, where the Romulans are on board, but kinda frozen in time? Everything looks like an invasion, but then it turned out the Romulans were actually helping our guys - cause the frozen images were misleading. Anyways, just based on the pictures, the guy is a crazy fuck, and the Ms. Tour de france is a butt licker.

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 16:09 GMT

nobody mentioned the garbage being thrown AT her space. If this is the case then yeah by all means throw the garbage back at him. but the way i heard the story i sounded like she provokes the whole situation.

J. Cash: 27th Jan 2006 - 16:12 GMT

I shot a man in Reno; just to watch him die.

Also, litter bugs are asshats that WASTE my Tax dollars, directly hurt the value of my property, create health hazards, and are, as a rule, self-centered, inconsiderate sub-humans that should have been raised better. The fact that this guy was driving an SUV makes the offense exponentially worse.

simonpeter: 27th Jan 2006 - 16:23 GMT

hey pete im from belfast in ireland and i knew it was kensinton market,lol i have to say i was pretty chuffed myself,cheers

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 16:26 GMT

A message to Canadian messengers:
recent immigrants from eastern european countries don't take getting garbage thrown at them lightly.

burnasuv: 27th Jan 2006 - 16:31 GMT

So we don't know the whole story, but if you drive an SUV, especially in an urban enviroment, probability is you are an asshole. Thats not speculation. I mean, there has to be a statistic somewhere to back this up.

Us vs them. thats right. Torch an SUV today (just make sure you can get away).

Jamie: Hey! less of the Polish jokes

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 17:00 GMT

i didn't notice she was riding a fix, so the virus has spread to my brothers in the north as well? DAMN!

lucky palindrome : 27th Jan 2006 - 17:07 GMT

He is lucky he didn't get a u-lock to his jaw. Idiot.

hool: 27th Jan 2006 - 17:14 GMT

it's interesting to me that everyone assumes the driver was driving an SUV. that was not the case. it was a small four door.

to further clarify - although i did not see what instigated the event, i was told word for word by the officer at the scene, and he got both sides of the story from the courier and the motorist, which i was told were essentially identical.

thisishowiride: 27th Jan 2006 - 17:52 GMT

Dang, that's messed up. That guy has some issues, and I hope he's caught.

John: 27th Jan 2006 - 17:53 GMT

I think the reason people assume that is that there is an SUV (or maybe a minivan) in the pictures. And what's with the censorship? That was a joke, sorry if you didn't get it.

Adam in Mpls: *Fewer* of the Polish jokes! haha.

Jannx: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:10 GMT

Lets see the time line here…

• Male throws trash out of his car onto the city street instead of a trash receptacle. Litter by law violation .. not too serious but do it on his front yard and he’d be….
• Female picks up Males trash and tosses it back into Male’s vehicle, nothing happening here regarding violations
• Male throws hot coffee on female, definitely a violation with lots of precedents to back up the assault. .. no contest. Female has a bill now for cleaning her clothes.

Score Male 2; Female 0

• Female keys Male vehicle, definitely a violation ; vandalism bill to Male unless he is able to go and get a conviction in small claims court for payment for a new paint job or make an insurance claim.
• Male assaults female, definitely a violation and now we are in ‘serious territory’
• Male trashes female bicycle, violation , vandalism, she can go after him in small claims court for a conviction. (note the car will run with a scratch so earning a living with the car is not an issue for the Male. The female uses a bicycle for earning a living as a low paid courier, net effect she is now disadvantaged for earning her livelihood.

Score Male 4; Female 1

• Male goes to trunk and hauls out a bat to assault the photographer
• Photographer skedaddles

Score Male 1; Photog 0

Final tally Male 5; Cumulative others 1

Defending the Male because he is being attacked by others in this thread is a case in bailing a leaking boat. Good luck, I don’t want any of you in my family gene pool. The guy is a thug. The female has more guts than most of the readers here. Shes okay, I’ll buy her a coffee anytime.

JP: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:14 GMT

I knew there was a reason I didn't want to live in Toronto, with pigs like him around it's no surprise the "cleanest" city in North America is looking a bit haggard. Good for her for standing up to the jerk.

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:19 GMT

"• Male throws trash out of his car onto the city street instead of a trash receptacle. Litter by law violation .. not too serious but do it on his front yard and he’d be…."
so what is she the local litter police?

"• Female picks up Males trash and tosses it back into Male’s vehicle, nothing happening here regarding violations"
throwing trash at someone is assault.
first personal attack: female 1; male 0.

Buffalo: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:23 GMT

You guys have real VIOLENCE up there? It always looks so nice. Well, at least no one got shot.

You guys are becoming more and mroe like us everyday, eh? :-)

Peter: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:48 GMT

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sho fizzle: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:48 GMT

What's wrong with horking a great big green loogey on his windscreen?

It doesn't hurt anyone (unless you've got TB), it doesn't permanently damage property, and it appropriately expresses a biker's disagreement with a situation.

Loogeys are the answer, I firmly believe. In Canada, they freeze to the windscreen so the guy would have to pick it off with his fingernail. Just adds to the impact of the protest, I think. In the summer, they dry to a beautiful shine within minutes, again necessitating the fingernail approach for removal.

Instead of keying a vehicle or U-Locking someone's face, just hork on his car! In the end, everyone is happier. And your get-away will be easier since you won't have nasal obstruction with excess snot.

If your bike is being jacked, make sure you hork on the wheel too, so buddy would get a sticky, salty reminder not to grab your bike so quickly again.

To do this most effectively, you need to learn how to hork efficiently, because the effect is not the same if you end up with drool hanging down your lip and getting on your pants (like my wife does when she tries to hork - she's beautiful, but really needs to work on her spitting technique).

The loogey should remain in a tight wad during flight, spreading artfully accross the windscreen upon impact. I would give bonus points for a multicoloured loogey. Streaks of blood make a real statement.

I say, everyone should practise horking on cars on the ride home tonight. It is cathartic and decongesting simultaneously.

Everyone with me?

pegcity: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:53 GMT

was a courier for 18 yrs,started angry and confrontational,ended with zen like move through it all and pay it no mind style,unless no other option.
car guy is over the top.courier girl is gonna be on the road ,and visible as long as she rides,i hope she'll be safe. avoid confrontation is better imo to remain safe. as the yanks point out,guns are widespread and people will use them.cars are lethal weapons too. littering is wrong ,i admire the girl for her action,but is it really worth the potential outcome? was she really done for the day,or out of trips for that period of time? guy should be lobotomized,girl needs to take a vacation

innocent bystander: 27th Jan 2006 - 18:56 GMT

burnasuv: oh for the love of pete, what the hell kind of logic is that? is burning an SUV helping your environment? paint, gas, oil, plastic and rubber all send noxious toxins into the environment when burned. or is this selfish, short sighted 'logic' just a way for you to feel better about condoning antisocial harm? i hate SUVs too, and i still think you're a tool...a tool of the culture you rail against. destruction is destruction regardless of politics. next...

Roy: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:02 GMT

I've had a similar situation, with similar results (except that no women were involved).

I clipped a mirror on accident with handlebars, mirror got folded in but undamaged. I wasn't quite aware that I did this.

Motorist charges at me with car, I barely avoid being hit by jumping curb onto sidewalk

Motorist jumps out of car, runs towards me, grabs me and throws me off bike.

I get up, take two steps back, call 911. he stops and backs off.

The police when they came there, talked to him, etc etc, told me that he had every right to try and "detain me" because I had "damaged his property".

in this state you are allowed to defend your property, and those fleeing prosecution after damaging it, using "any appropriate physical force".

hostile: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:19 GMT

Ah Kensington, I knew ye well. He's a fuckwad for throwing shit out his window and hitting a girl, she's a bitch for throwing it back and keying his car. Now that's the Toronto I know! Make no mistake, couriers can be complete cocksuckers too. Their sense of superiority and entitlement only takes a backseat to motorists. Toronto's like a haven for fucking retards with shit attitudes.

Anonymous coward: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:31 GMT

I have some sympathy for the messenger but not much. She made the first move. Yes, the guy's reaction is waaay over the top but, we're I judging this legally, I'd come down on the side of the motorist.

kerry: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:37 GMT

Agression begets agression. It could have ended much worse.

d: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:43 GMT

im just glad no one got seriously hurt.

hool: was her bike damaged? do you have more photos of this situation?

Clay: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:45 GMT

Do we know who this chick is?
I second that...

p3rp: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:50 GMT

i dont know whos to blame as far as the drama goes, but i *do* know that this guy has some yellow-ass teeth.....

whatever : 27th Jan 2006 - 19:51 GMT

if you get a license to drive it does not entitle you to throw food and that cguy blows chunks

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 19:53 GMT

[Toronto's like a haven for fucking retards with shit attitudes.]
amen to that!
goes for both of them.

anon (MTL-ppp-156754.qc.sympatico.ca): 27th Jan 2006 - 19:55 GMT

I think maybe the 2nd chick is the drivers girlfriend??

ViewFromAfar: 27th Jan 2006 - 20:08 GMT

My Observations:
Photo #1: he is grabbing her seat to slow her down, she must have been riding. Id say he then grabbed her wheel to stop her.
Photo #2: he seems to be winding up to kick her.
Photo #3: she has an arm raised to defender herself or perhaps to catch her balance after he is knocking her over.
Photo #4: he has started grappling with her and attempting to knock her from her bike.
Photo #5: she seems hurt and her other leg is trapped under the bike which he is in the process of stomping.
Photo 6+: she starts to defend herself and others step in to break up the scuffle.

it seems to me that many people are assuming alot about this situation, the only people that know what happened are the two involved. Since people have mentioned knowing the cyclist why not get her to post her side of the story? and with the number of pageviews maybe someone could find the male and get him to post his side. then we could really talk about the situation.

P.: 27th Jan 2006 - 20:09 GMT

I'm glad I go into Kennsington everyday for lunch, maybe me and my co-workers will see this guy while strolling and launch some garbage his way. Hopefully he'll charge at us and provoke us into "defending" ourselves... as obviously he is a very tough person to pick a fight with a woman.

?: 27th Jan 2006 - 20:13 GMT

I'm just wondering why anyone didn't cold-cock the guy the second they saw him lay a hand on a woman?

Etc Etc: 27th Jan 2006 - 20:43 GMT

I like how everyone glosses over the fact that she's punching him with her keys between her fingers. THAT is assault with a deadly weapon, no?

Fake: This looks completely staged.

Percival: 27th Jan 2006 - 20:51 GMT

The side of my car got a footlong scratch by a bike courier who jumped off the sidewalk and ran a red light.

Rather than whoop his skinny butt, I called the cops and followed him in the car. He was charged with leaving the scene of an accident and temporarily lost his driver's license. My insurance company sued him and his employer to recover the cost of painting two doors.

Now THAT's sweet revenge and no one ever harassed me with a potential assault charge.

anon (h162-040-088-098.adsl.navix.net): 27th Jan 2006 - 21:00 GMT

sombody needs to find out who that guy is and kick his ass

Argent47: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:01 GMT

I cannot see her "punching" him with her keys in those photos, although she does appear to be holding her keys in the first couple or so, I cannot see where it looks like she actually punched him, although she might have tried, but then fell on her ass. People who throw stuff back into cars are wrong. It is always somebody in the middle of a big, dirty city who suddenly decides they are sole conscience responsible for judging litterbugs. I never see these people picking up the sidewalk or trying to clean anything. Littering does not justify assault. She is a courier, she is stressed as part of her daily, she took it out on a litterbug and it went out of control. The guy looks like an f*ing asshole, but the whole situation sounds like it is her damn fault for being an arrogant bitch. I had a homeless guy in the city do this to me one time, flicked a cigarette butt in my face that I had tossed out. Oh I am sooo sorry! He was arrested and I filed charges against him. You pickup the litter, inform the people that they are assholes for littering loudly enough so others hear, throw it in a nearby receptacle and stand there giving them a dirty look. That is about all you are allowed to do under the law. You could take pictures of them and post them here. But any type of physical or property assault is bullshit. Anybody who thinks they are Judge Dredd, or who thinks they are so perfect as to be able to rectify all littering by applying selective vengance (or assholes who attack young women and try to kill them like this guy) needs to grow up. I have a *little* sympathy for the girl, and basically none for the guy. They should be forced to apologize to one another and admit to a situation of mutual assholeness on public tv. Beyond that, fk em!

katrinar: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:01 GMT

you never know how others are going to react anymore.

i think everyone here is simply saying that things CAN get pretty rough now adays.

i've lived in this city for nearly 30 years, and only in the last 5 have started to feel unsafe in any way.

Sushi: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:03 GMT

Fritz SOOOOO TRUE!

The first I thought was that guy must be polish. BTW bikers can be such beligerant asses as if they own the road.

Mark: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:05 GMT

Messed five years in DC. Saw plenty of this kind of silliness. All I can say is choose to de-escalate.

Timichango: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:13 GMT

Jesus-h-christ - psycho motorists strike again! It's getting bloody ridiculous out there. Glad that she's ok... can't say I'm as glad about the driver. If anyone knows her, and if she needs some help getting her ride fixed up, email me and I'll do what I can to assist a fellow fixer: biobeast at hot mail dot com

Mews: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:21 GMT

"The side of my car got a footlong scratch by a bike courier who jumped off the sidewalk and ran a red light.

Rather than whoop his skinny butt, I called the cops and followed him in the car. He was charged with leaving the scene of an accident and temporarily lost his driver's license. My insurance company sued him and his employer to recover the cost of painting two doors. "

Hey wow! You're a sociopath! Congratulations.

Brixton: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:26 GMT

I read about half the comments, and don't have time to finish, as interesting as the debate may be. But the fact of the matter is, as far as the law would be concerned, it would be SHE who would be considered to have committed the first act of disorderly conduct/threat/assault, because she willfully and with intent picked something up and threw it at a person. He would be considered to have been littering, which is not a crime against a person (in this case, the messenger). While self-defence would sound like a silly argument on his part given that it was just a bit of garbage directed his way, it would legally hold water. She'd best not pursue a criminal case in this situation, as it would likely backfire on her, with damage to property charges to boot.

However, the photographer does have an easy case of disorderly conduct or terroristic threat, if the driver did indeed come charging at him with a bat, unprovoked and not in self-defence against the photographer.

Joe: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:35 GMT

Why were you taking pictures rather than helping the bike courier? If no one showed up, she could have been really hurt.

Etc Etc: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:42 GMT

Actually, I don't know if it's keys or some kind of clip. In picture 3, you can see her with it in her right hand, and in picture 4, she is hitting him with her right hand (though her hand is blocked from our view by her arm). She is, clearly, hitting him with the two prongs of the clip/keys.

Guest: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:42 GMT

The bitch chucked food in his car. Yeah, he's a moron for littering, but she made it personal. He reciprocated with another personal and extremely immature move (dumping coffee on her).

It's nice she's so passionate about the environment that she *seeks personal confrontation* by shoving food back into people's laps, but honestly, what did she expect?

Galaxy: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:45 GMT

Mad props to her for returning the litter to it's rightful owner and mad props to those people who intervened. If id'a seen her drop his garbage back in his car I woulda laughed at his crazy ass.

That dude, needs his wifey in the white vest, to schedule an appointment with a psychiatrist asap (and some tooth whitening toothpaste). Really, it took 6 people to hold him back and he's still acting all buck wild, he was prolly making crazy animal sounds the whole time. He dumped coffee on the couriers head? Wha'?? Stompin' on the tire, pullin' on the bike, pullin' on her then he busts out with a baseball bat? That dude's got some dangerous pent up rage inside of him.

If he doesn't watch it with the anger he'll end up in prison being someone's bi***. Really, though.

Triadmaster : 27th Jan 2006 - 22:03 GMT

To "Mews": Red light means stop. I'm glad that the violater of it was made to pay. You need to study more, and until you do, please stay in your mommy's driveway. - TF

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BicyclistsBillofRights

Blake: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:04 GMT

"Female picks up Males trash and tosses it back into Male’s vehicle, nothing happening here regarding violations
throwing trash at someone is assault."

Chucky, repeat after me, "The vehicle is not the person." "The vehicle is not the person."

Not that the cyclist was in the right, but what she did is not assault.
(And I am picking on you, but you're not the only person in the thread who made this mistake, and I think it's a telling one.)

Chucky: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:08 GMT

she threw the food/garbage at him through his window. she's outta line.

Liz: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:12 GMT

"Oh lord. Don't you start on that too. Please give me ONE example of someone being murdered over litter."

Don't know anyone that has been murdered over litter...but someone was murdered all because they wouldn't buy cigarettes for some underage punks.

rick: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:25 GMT

From what I heard (and I wasn't there, but this is from someone who was, and is there in the pictures wrestling with the driver), the driver came too close to the cyclist, nearly knocking her down. But her handlebar scratched the paint on the car. He yelled something nasty at her, she yelled something nasty at him - that's when he got out of her car, and these photos start.

Sorry, that's second hand, but I heard it right after the altercation.

EnviroTO: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:29 GMT

Who knows how she put it into the car. She may have just lobbed it in and not even hit him which is not assault... it is littering into his car. Without knowing what path the garbage took and at what velocity it is impossible to say whether she did anything wrong at that point. To me having coffee poured onto a person is a far greater violation than tossing some piece of garbage (which unless really slimey or heavy would have no impact on the recipient). The guy committed the first crime, she put the trash back into his car (only if the purpose was to hit him or if it hit him hard would that be a crime), he poured coffee on her (second crime), and she got back at him by scratching his vehicle (third crime). The whole attitude that his vehicle is sacred but the littering is fine and the assault on her is fine is misplaced. If somebody assaults me I'm not going to be too concerned about their property in the heat of the moment.

Matt: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:30 GMT

I like what she did, but she should also be prepared to deal with this kind of response. No one likes to be shamed in public, especially assholes. I spit into open windows of cars/trucks that are parked in a bike lane. If they endanger me for their own convenience, they should know my disgust. But I am also prepared to back that up -- either by riding my guts out to get away, or face some wrestling or yelling.

Chewy: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:33 GMT

I always want to pickup and throw back the butts / litter ppl throwing out from their cars. Those selfish ppl make our city dirty.

Jym: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:36 GMT

=v= Please, POST HIS PLATE NUMBER (and make and model of the vehicle). Their anonymity is a big part of why they feel they can act this way. Whatever the outcome of this particular case, we should all be able to know whether this violent gobshite is at the wheel.

Leah: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:45 GMT

Hello all! I am the girl in the pics. My name is Leah and although I am a courier, I was WALKING my bike up Agusta when the incident took place. He was driving and opened his door (while driving) and yelling profanities he threw his beef patty on a bun out of his door. I walked over to his car, and right or wrong, I opened the door and "gave" him back his food (which he MUST have dropped by accident!) He then lost it, and jumped out of his car and threw 2 large Timmies at meand then grabbed me by my helmet and tried to toss me around a bit.It was at that point that my bike lock key (that I wear on a bracelet around my wrist) scratched his car. I have read all the postings about people sympathetic to the car driver due to the expense of repairing the scratch but sorry folks, i doubt that it will cost him anything to repair as it was a 1.2cm mark in the clearcoat only(did not damage the paint) but regardless a scratch none the less. Then with some "encouraging" from some helpfull bystanders he got in his car and drove away...or so I thought! People were comming up to me and saying that I should have him charged but at that point I just figured I had made my anti-littering point and and eye for and eye with the coffee shower, I mean I did throw that patty right. But just as I was getting on my bike to ride home he came running back and thats when the photos start. He had driven half a block and decided that the scratch was worthy of a more thorough beating I guess.
Now for a bit of clarity on a couple of things...
The blonde girl is his girlfriend...she also makes a pretty good shield from an angry mob!
I was NOT punching anyone! especially not with keys in my hand! I was just trying to save my bike (I just built it a week ago!!)
And as for the police charging him....
He took off in his car as soon as he heard the sirens....they chased him down but it is not a crime to leave the scene. They were going to charge him with a variety of things including assult with a weapon x2, mischief x2, aggravated assult, etc, but the police informed me that if I went ahead and placed those charges then they would have to charge me with mischeif for the scratch.
So in the interests of good karma (and my own sanity) I have opted to "let it go" and allow the universe to repay this angermanagement case in its own way.
And finally to those who say that i must have had a sudden case of self ritousness in regard to littering.....YOU ARE WRONG! I hate littering and NEVER do> In fact I am constantly picking up litter and make my son pick up litter at the park. I just feel that it is such a fixable issue in the world today. If everyone would not throw their own piece of litter then there would be none!! What a concept eh!?
enjoy the beautiful winter riding!

Leah: 27th Jan 2006 - 22:49 GMT

P.S. if anyone knows the girl with the vest on, who was the first to jump on his back, please please let me know. I owe her at least a heartfelt thanks in person. And to everyone else who was there and helped out THANK YOU!!!! xo

Etc Etc: 27th Jan 2006 - 23:00 GMT

So the litter was a hamburger and bun? How is that different from people throwing bread crumbs to birds? Pigeons would clean up that "litter" in five seconds flat!

anon (thrillworks-v143.fibrewired.on.ca): 27th Jan 2006 - 23:05 GMT

Haha... It looks like he's gettin' his ass kicked by a chick. What a loser.

Leah: 27th Jan 2006 - 23:07 GMT

I see more "keys in my hand" nonsense...I did NOT have keys in my hand...what appears to be keys is actually the earbud to my mp3 player...it just happens to look like it is in my hand but is not, its just suspended in the air near my hand in this pic. And Etc, etc- It was a beef patty in a bun in paper and its bag...regardless...of what kind of food it was or whether it could be eaten by any one of T.O.s starving pidgeons...we all know that wasnt this jackasses intention when he popped his door and threw it out!

Dave: 27th Jan 2006 - 23:15 GMT

Leah, getting charged with Mischief is nothing compared to aggrevated assault. I urge you to reconsider and charge him. Seriously, he's an idiot who could possibily do this to someone else.

Begging: 27th Jan 2006 - 23:28 GMT

Please please please post plate number. Please?

anon (hwcgate.hc-sc.gc.ca): 27th Jan 2006 - 23:36 GMT

I hope the blonde dumps her loser boyfriend!

hool: 27th Jan 2006 - 23:38 GMT

hi leah (i'm the photographer). looks like i stirred up quite the shitstorm. i think it's caused a good debate and raised awareness. thanks for posting your side of the story.

to the previous poster: no, no plate numbers. that would serve no purpose except further violence. if leah can let it go, so can you.

lambchop: 27th Jan 2006 - 23:52 GMT

I've been beaten to a pulp for doing less than what she did, by big angry men. I'm wondering if the guy threw the food and somehow it landed on her? I think if had hit me in the face while riding, that's the only way I'd think of throwing it back into a car. Otherwise why bother? We live in filthy cities anyway, like getting back at one litterbug will make a difference. I wouldn't have pulled on his jacket, I think by that point I would've headbutted him and then punched him in the solar plexus. But that's me. I think it's cool that she got caught, I'm glad it got photographed, I tell people now about my courier life and sometimes about these kinds of stories and they never believe that a guy will actually haul off and beat up a woman in broad daylight...they just don't believe me. It was gratifying to see it caught on film. I hope SHE is ok and that he is reflecting on anger management skills. It wasn't a fair fight...the poor guy never had a chance.

Leah: 28th Jan 2006 - 00:01 GMT

Hey Hool,
WOW! Crazy debate, eh?! I couldnt figure out why all these ramdom people were coming up to me and talking about it....I was like, how the heck do all these people know about it?! But it is good to talk about things like this and I can respect the opinions of all the posts, both in my favor and not. I do know that I crossed a line by tossing the litter back at him (legally wrong) but would do it again as I feel that it was morally right. The people who ask if I think I am some sort of litter police are the same people who litter when they think noone is watching.
I am not sorry for doing my part to stand up for our city/planet.

Triadmaster : 28th Jan 2006 - 00:06 GMT

Smart move, not giving Bicoastal "_Jym_" the plate number. He's a dangerous kingpin of a _real_ whacko organization of thugs.

Chipotle: 28th Jan 2006 - 00:38 GMT

the girl deserved it! One time I saw a girl try to bother Tiesto while he was djing and Tiesto gave her a smack. Security came and threw the girl out of the rave for being so stupid!!!!! I would be mad to if my food came back into my car!

derek: 28th Jan 2006 - 00:38 GMT

you rock, leah. that dude was an idiot for getting physical. he made a mistake, you called him on it, and he should've owned up to it instead of acting like a moron. even if you would have scratched his car, it doesn't warrant assault (nothing does besides self-defense).

i hope his g/f convinces him to seek some help to deal with that anger.

Peter: 28th Jan 2006 - 01:03 GMT

hell, id smack tiesto if he was spinning at a rave i was at. he sucks.

DUH: 28th Jan 2006 - 01:16 GMT

Leah-- you got JUST what you deserved. Period. You see some littering and you want to serve up a little justice-- as YOU see it. Fine. Guess what, you open the door to allow some a-hole to do the same. You don't like what you got? Tough shit, sister. Next time, keep your fucking personal priorities to yourself. Dig?!

hool: 28th Jan 2006 - 01:38 GMT

to DUH: your post negates itself. you just told someone that it is your opinion that people should keep their opinions to themselves. DUH indeed.

PK: 28th Jan 2006 - 01:38 GMT

LEAH, Leah, Leah....I'm glad to hear you're ok, but things could've been much, much worse for you.

First tip that someone is off base should clue you to someone's emotional quotient. Low. Just chucking food out like that? Hello.

I'm very upset about the 'advice' the force ]Police[ gave you. I would like their badge numbers, because they ought to be reported to their supervisors. Why?

Van driver throwing coffee on you IS ASSAULT.

ANY MALE, ASSAULTING A WOMAN, needs to be thrown in jail. Period. WTF?

There are too many women abused by predators, like him. It's the same way he reacts at home, no doubt.

So, you accidentaly scratched his car and he attacks you physically, as well as your bike? Sorry, no reason for assaulting anyone, let alone a woman.


He also turned back to assault you.

That's premeditated, at this point.

The Police aren't fucking lawyers. They SHOULD have charged him with assault. Period. SO WHAT, you get charged with mischief. Your first offense, discharged. His assault on you is more troubling ]first the coffee[ then the premeditated assault ]because he returned[.

The Police just don't get it as well as many 'men' in this society, that you do not EVER strike a woman. Period.

The fact that he returned to assault you, because of a minor scratch, which he was himself responsible for, tells me he is off his meds, needs to be placed on meds or belongs in jail for a lesson.

Yep, I have a big issue with predators.

My Mother, who has a brown belt in karate has the same advice. Strike hard fast, then get the hell outta there. It's about self preservatiopn, not any medals.

Next time a male is getting in your face. A hard solid kick to the groin and skedaddle. Or a credit card on edge across the eyes works....

You take care and think before you act. There are many, many whack jobs out there and 999 Queen St., isn't happening for them.

Peter: 28th Jan 2006 - 02:31 GMT

i think this totally blows the post out of the water. not to mention .

viva le new content takeover!

Walt: 28th Jan 2006 - 03:10 GMT

No licence plate numbers! This thread is being viewed by enough people (it is linked to at least one other Toronto forum now), that this idiot car driver will have it pointed out to him by numerous people. He'll look like a fool in front of people who actually know him and that is enough.

Walt: 28th Jan 2006 - 03:11 GMT

PS: thanks hool for posting these. You did a service.

anon (h-66-167-48-132.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net): 28th Jan 2006 - 03:27 GMT

Now being discussed on MetaFilter as well.

colin: 28th Jan 2006 - 03:27 GMT

it almost looks like that chick in the white vest is the girlfriend/wife of the offender???? is this true? it looks like theyre holding hands in one pic.

Steeker: 28th Jan 2006 - 03:31 GMT

Leah .
You did a good thing and I wish I was there I rode through Kensington about 12;30 pm that day, if your wheel is messed up I'll get you a new one.cheers

blurgh: ANGRY FACE! Fake as fuck.

Masher: 28th Jan 2006 - 03:39 GMT

What the fuck are you people ranting on about? That skag courier commited an assault. Sure-you shouldn't litter, but you also shouldn't commit criminal assault, which is what that little cunt Leah did.

Fuck her. 'Defending her space.' Whatever.

Cavit8: 28th Jan 2006 - 03:47 GMT

Hey Leah

How's your bike? Looks like pencil neck was stompin' it a bit. Good goin' girl. I get pretty sick of people using this city as their trashcan.

Masher - feeble troll.

Steeker: Maybe masher was the guy in the pic's :P

sm1: 28th Jan 2006 - 04:47 GMT

someone must have made a similar comment along the way but to me, the most disturbing thing is the absurd measurement that the first person used.. "scraping his car with a key takes it to a level far and above anything else. That sort of damage costs several thousand dollars to repair.." FAR ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE? AS IT COSTS...? Guess other intangible or abstruct damages, we don't know how much they would cost, huh? What a sad reflection of the world we live in.
money money money


take care leah

j: 28th Jan 2006 - 04:53 GMT

it obvious he is a wacko by carrying a baseball bat in the middle of winter...bet this isn't his first incident of road rage...100 to 1

tjstheiii: 28th Jan 2006 - 05:10 GMT

Being lazy and throwing your shit out onto a city street is an offence vs everyone in the city and everyone visiting the city. By putting it back in their car, where it should have stayed, is A-OKAY.

Littler spreads around, as a car hits that bag, tears it, the napkins inside fly around, the hamburger wrapper flies somewhere else.... you should have demonstrated this VIA spreading his burger around the inside of his car.

I'm not really sure why people in this post see it as such an offense to return an ignorant litter’s litter to the rightful spot, with the owner.

I’ll be sure to empty my garbage can in your living room. DO NOT RETURN IT TO ME; SIMPLY PLACE IT INTO YOUR TRASH. IT’S MY RIGHT TO THROW IT THERE LOLOLOLZZZ!!!!

It's your city, dont let lazy sob's trash it.

Galaxy: 28th Jan 2006 - 05:13 GMT

Yey Leah! Nice photos Hool!

Masher...why'd you throw the beef patty out of the window? Be a hoot, don't pollute! ;)

EnviroTO: 28th Jan 2006 - 05:18 GMT

I would have charged him and faced the consequences. He was over the top and deserves what he gets. When you say you gave it back to him did you throw it at him or pass it to him? In any case that array of charges he was going to get was serious and I can't help but think he shouldn't be getting away with it. He needs professional help with that type of temper... he could kill someone some day.

anon (cpe-24-164-154-80.si.res.rr.com): 28th Jan 2006 - 05:29 GMT

once I asaw a guy litter on my bike. I opened the passenger wdoor and threw the pepsi can back in. aparently he couldn't find a spot in NYC and had to pee in it. Unfortunately he became covered in his own urine.

U.P.: 28th Jan 2006 - 05:55 GMT

If his car got scratched because he attacked you and in the process of that your key scartched his vehicle, then who cares if you get charged. The charge will get dropped as it's due to his actions, not yours. Any reasonable prosecutor or judge would let you slide for returning his patty to him. Either way, being humiliated on the internet will be much harsher punishment for him. I wonder what his job is? You know this will make the news eventually.

T. PO'd O.: 28th Jan 2006 - 06:53 GMT

Leah kicks ass. Way to stand up for what you believe. You're brave(or psycho), either way you rule, and evil, littering, raging, skank dating, polluter sucks.

Es in Ottawa: 28th Jan 2006 - 07:08 GMT

Road rage is everywhere....my sister in law was on a city bus when the driver said to her watch this, he was about to 'squeeze out' a cyclist, when she saw it was her brother, my husband! She yelled don't do it! It's my brother, so the driver gave him space between the bus and the curb! Talk about crazy!

Leah, teaching your children to stand up for what you believe in, and to keep the city clean, you have shown everyone on this forum and others that you are a strong woman.

I do agree that pressing charges is paramount, please talk to a lawyer, I am sure that you will find one willing to talk to you especially with these photos to back it all up. Men like this don't do this only once, it is a way of life.

Stay strong and live large!

Es

another torontonian: 28th Jan 2006 - 07:32 GMT

leah created her own pile of shit. if u're gonna fire up the kitchen, be prepared for hell.

just a guy...: 28th Jan 2006 - 08:13 GMT

she's not trying to lay blame on anything else there guy. she fully accepts what she did and stands by it. you totally missed the point there champ. kudos to you.

leah: good job. the world needs more people like you.

cyclist hater: 28th Jan 2006 - 08:18 GMT

I would have run the bitch over if it was me. Then stole her bike.

Kristnaskelfir: 28th Jan 2006 - 08:23 GMT

Leah, please consider pressing charges. I'd chip in $100 to pay any "mischief" fine you might receive. (Which seems unlikely, considering the scratch occurred in the midst of his assault upon you.)

This man is a danger to society, and needs a criminal record to bring him to the attention of it. I'd bet he'll be specifically targetting couriers with his car from now on, if he gets away completely clean.

Mahatma Gandhi: 28th Jan 2006 - 08:34 GMT

I agree that the plate should be made public. It's not about more violence. Quite the opposite. If he knows he's not anonymous he is less likely to attack and to reach for a baseball bat.

cyberdude: 28th Jan 2006 - 08:36 GMT

Hehe. I love it.

According to this thread, his throwing something (coffee) at her is assault, but her throwing something at him (which was done FIRST, btw) is not.

His initial offense of littering is stupid, gross, and illegal. But it was not directed personally at Leah. Her throwing it back at him changed the dynamic of the situation.

Let me put that differently: She threw something at him. She was the first to commit any action directly against someone else. She's the one who made this whole thing personal. I know it's a hard pill to swallow, folks, especially because a lot of us are feeling with our hearts and not our minds (male vs female altercation, the guy's face in the pics, etc) and are siding with her, but this thread has an eyewitness account which clearly shows that while he was wrong for littering, she's the one who committed the first offensive act against an individual.

Arguing over details like "she didn't throw it at him, she threw it into the car where he was sitting" doesn't change the fact that she's still the one who took the situation and escalated it to a personal level.

And before I get totally destroyed in a flamewar of epic proportions, let me say this:

Good for her. If he threw food out the window, I hope she got some on him. With everything I said above, I still think she's less in the wrong than he is.

Though keying his car, while maybe deserved, was uncool.

/Don't scrap with bike messengers. Whether they're male or female, it don't matter. They're tough as nails.

cyberdude: 28th Jan 2006 - 08:43 GMT

... And then after hitting POST, I look back through the thread, and see Leah's given us her story.

gotta remember to read the WHOLE thread next time.

chewbaccasbitch: 28th Jan 2006 - 10:17 GMT

Fuck that dude, charge his ass for assault, We Aussies just jump on the radio and have a swarm of bike locks come crashing down on his numbskull....but screw him, leah, look into the pics and see the anger in his eyes, hes a cunt which needs to be taken down a notch. Im from Australia shit even we can see that this dude sucks.

William: 28th Jan 2006 - 11:09 GMT

I believe that the man who dumped trash was wrong. Having the trash put back in is justice. For those of you who think that it was wrong for her to put the trash back in; well, you will be the next one to drink the koolaid. Leah is a patriot if you ask me. She took a chance, got coffee thrown on her, and didn't care. She did what was right. And if you don't do what is right, then you're just better off.. sucumbing to what ever life gives.

Many of you cling to "laws" saying what she did was wrong. Citizens support laws. Some by taxes, Leah by action.

Action is the oposite of lethargy. Leah, if I weren't married, I'd marry you just for what you did. And I'd probably get my ass kicked out of the house.

dave: the anger in that man's face is frightening

j: 28th Jan 2006 - 13:29 GMT

bottom line regardless of sides in this issue...the man is a wacko, plain and simple, he's the one that turned a simple altercation into a full blow assault...

smarty pants: 28th Jan 2006 - 13:38 GMT

I can't believe some of the responses I'm reading here. People telling her she should'nt have thrown the food back in his vehicle. Fuck that, apathy is a form of laziness and not caring.

Its like this, if someone kicks you in the shin and you kick them back, does that give them the right to then attack you, no you were simply retaliating to the kick in the shins.
The problem with aassholes is they don't know they are assholes and people should take it upon themselves to inform an asshole, that they are indeed an asshole, which she did by throwing his garbage back in his vehicle. If he was smart he should have realized that he got busted for littering, drove away and found a garbage can, but he did not.
He was the one who made this a physical altercation buy throwing coffee, and there is a difference between someone throwing garbage back in the vehicle from which it came and someone intentionally throwing coffee on someone. Plus the fact he came back to have this continue proves his intent even more (Leahs' action was a reaction his was not).
And further more, what fucking man attacks a female, regardless of what she did, does'nt matter if she kicked the fuck out of his vehicle thats just wrong.

Remember kiddies, real men don't hit women!

Mantra: 28th Jan 2006 - 14:43 GMT

This world is turning to crap because we let it turn to crap. The system is broken when bad people get off on technicalities (i.e. "she started it by throwing the garbage back in his car", give me a f'n break!) and you people who who support that mode of thinking are the same people who would sue a store because you slipped on the sidewalk in front of it.

Right on. Someone who has the balls to let another human know that they are an asshat without manners, morals, nor ethics. Oh, that's right, she wasn't born with balls. Oh well, what's the rest of you guys' excuses??

FLIPSIDE: 28th Jan 2006 - 14:50 GMT

Pic number ten (7986.jpg) is a fucking Da Vinci. It's E.T. and Eliot touching fingers. It is so fucking rad. Look at the love there. The angry, cropped Alanis clutches the Blue Meanie while Bike Girl makes fishy faces. I'm fucking rock hard.

Scunny: 28th Jan 2006 - 15:05 GMT

Back in the day (25 years ago), when I first started as a bike courier, I too was guilty of returning litter to motorized slobs in much the same manner (although I never actually had to open a car door to do so, as their windows had always remained oh so temptingly rolled open). And while I was never physically attacked, I did find that the reaction from these motorists was often much more volatile than I would have expected.

Apparently, hese sadly deluded folks - who feel so comfortable further mucking up our planet than simply tossing their refuse in the rolling garbage cans they are already sitting in - feel incredibly threatened if the perceived sanctity of their auto's interior is violated. Theirs is a different world, a sense reality framed by a windshield and still selfishly distorted by the 20th century's North American paradigm of automotive dependence.

Eventually, I found it to be dangerously counterproductive to raise the often pannicked ire - road rage - in these deluded creatures, especially when they were still piloting a motorvehicle.

Leah's a much quicker study than I. Her behaviour throughout this real real-life episode appears to have been at the very least 'explainable', whether one views her involvement as a form of vigilante-ism or merely a street-level form of citizen's arrest (littering does
counteract Toronto's bylaws).

From my admittedly biased perspective, her complete willingness to own up to her complicity in the escalation of the altercation and her measured response to the prospect of raising it further, are simply continuing examples of the sort of an honest and evolving concern for the greater good, that just might be best that we humans have to offer.

And to those who are demanding the sort of public rebuke of the motorist that our philosophical messenger Leah is willing to let 'Karma the Enforcer' deliver; that time would appear no further off than about five minutes after somebody publishes Hool's photograph of this bozo's license plate.

Peace!

dd: 28th Jan 2006 - 15:41 GMT

I agree that the motorist is a bastard who deserves to be hung.

Leah deserves a sound spanking, and a fine though.

Anyone who, in her situation, cries "victim"(not that she necessarily is, but many people here are) needs to give their head a shake.

I've been in her situation dozen of times, after messengering for 14 years. I've learned, and accepted:

1. People are often assholes, with no respect for others. That means they might litter. What the fuck, is she the litter nazi? Is she so fucking pure that she has the right to throw it back at someone?

2. People are often violently insane and homocidal. Why assume that someone's not? Littering is the first clue they're a prick. Unless you're ready fight to the death, don't confront. Because some people are ready, and able.

3. People don't change through confrontation. Anyone who tries that route needs a shrink to work out their own personal issues.

4. Riding in the city you take your life in your own hands. Either learn to take the heat, and stay cool, and avoid confrontations, or get worked up into a frenzy, where you're throwing garbage at people, keying cars, getting in fights. It's a fact of human nature.

I feel for Leah. I've gotten in many fights, damaged cars, been damaged, you name it. Every single time, I could have avoided it.
It sucks, but it comes down to this: many people are assholes, meaner, and more equipped, in their cars, with baseball bats and guns, than I am. I now pick my battles.

That said, that driver should be executed publicly. And Leah fined.

Retrograde: 28th Jan 2006 - 16:12 GMT

I have to say that, this is not surprising at all. Its this kind of antics that lead to the ever-growing population of critical massers, who do nothing for the city other than disrupt traffic, and cause a general nuisance. As a cyclist myself, i should have some sort of empathy for critical mass'rs, but after that group attacked a friend when he was in his pathfinder, they lost sympathy from me.
Why? because he was handicapped at that time. Riding a bicycle is rather difficult when you have your left leg in splints.

That aside, the courier (Leah) does get my sympathy, as I have been privy to road-raging motor monkeys. Some of which who have purposely driven at speeds above 60 on 40limit roads, in an attempt to scare me off the road. This jerk in the red/black coat... needs something. The fact that he attempted to destroy Leah's bike is rather sad. Tossing garbage and inflicting a minor scratch may not be suitable behaviour, but stomping on the rear wheel and causing harm to the rider is far from returning favours. Effectively, by stomping on the rear wheel, you disable the bike out-right - it's an attempt to destroy. The equivalent to what he was accomplishing would probably be slashing a rear tire, pulling the transmission fluid plug, and tossing a few metal chips into the tranny (if it has an open-gate shifter)

This guy is super asshole when you take into consideration that he's driving through kensington. an area well-known for it's preference for cyclists and enviromentally-minded individuals.


I think PK said it best. It's assault, and you should press charges, and accept the mischief charge against you. It's a small price to pay, but it should be gladly accepted. People like that should not be allowed to drive.

argent47: 28th Jan 2006 - 16:48 GMT

Leah. Sorry if I made any rash judgements, old experience I am still mad about in my mind. I really think you should press charges and accept the mischief charge, things like this should be documented before something worse happens. You should be very careful with approaching strangers in the city, you really have no idea what they are going to do. But good luck!

Gary: Goog gag, this is fake however.

hool: 28th Jan 2006 - 17:25 GMT

i've read more than a few comments stating this article as a 'fake'. would anyone care to elaborate on what leads them to that conclusion? maybe my photos were so good (except for the crappy underexposed ones) that it's too hard to believe that this actually happened? i think it also has to do with the expression of pure rage in the motorist's face - it's almost histrionic, hence casting doubt on the validity of the event.

John Edwards: 28th Jan 2006 - 17:31 GMT

Sorry, but the first agressive act in this situation belonged to the female. She's the one who picked the fight. Maybe she'll be just a little less agressive towards motorists now.

Dave: 28th Jan 2006 - 17:53 GMT

Litter, in our cities, Canadian cities, we are not making this up.

Dave: 28th Jan 2006 - 17:57 GMT

You Canadians are way to violent, I’m staying here in Oakland, much safer.:)

JK

Good for you biek chick, that guy was an A-hole

no, hool,: 28th Jan 2006 - 17:59 GMT

it isn't just that. all the poses and expressions seem stock and unnatural. it doesn't help that many of your older photos look this way, too.

and anyone at all could post the comment giving the courier a name: "oh, that's leah." and then "leah" herself could appear and tell her side of the story.

perhaps you could provide the names of the officers involved and the case number. something verifiable.

i mean, there's nothing wrong with faking it, really. i'm sure all the greats do. weegee used to do it all the time. the trick lies in not getting caught.

perhaps a solution is to just flat-out state, "i'm an artist, not a journalist," and abandon the burden of "what actually happened". i think it would free you up considerably.

Marvin Holivard: 28th Jan 2006 - 18:02 GMT

Come on... a female bicyclist picking a fight? This lesbian has too much testosterone flooding her veins. She should be pitied, and placed on an estrogen drip, stat.

hool: 28th Jan 2006 - 18:23 GMT

to the doubter: *shrug*. it's not like i was defending the validity of the event. i really don't care if it's considered 'real' or not, because the discussion surrounding it is real. but if i were to have staged this, i would have re-shot the first scene and got the damn exposure right. i take your disbelief as a compliment, so thank you.

i'm going out to shoot photos now. i'll make sure to tell the people in the streets "hey, stop looking so stock and unnatural - people on the internet aren't believing you!"

sometimes i'm an artist, sometimes i'm a journalist, often i am both together, they are not mutually exclusive.

weegee and hcb can eat a dong.

Yvounet: Watch war film, play FPS games ...

the cutterman: 28th Jan 2006 - 18:39 GMT

I wouldn't advise that sort of (cyclist) response here on South Africa. A lot of dudes are carrying and throwing garbage back into the car like that would get you shot, no error....

And if you key the car, then you an' yo mamma too!

Futon: 28th Jan 2006 - 18:50 GMT

Great shot hool! You really brought out the emotion of everyone involved in this stupid incident. Should the driver attacked the courier? Prob not. But the courier has no right to key his car, no matter if he did or did not throw food out of it. Both parties are stupid and both should be charged.

oscar: 28th Jan 2006 - 19:05 GMT

after reading the first couple of comments.. i have to say.... no one mentiosn the fact of what a complete retard the girl in the bike is for throwing garbage into someones car.. thats just asking for trouble, perhaps she too, deserved a scare. i just hope neither of them do something liek that in the future.

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 28th Jan 2006 - 19:10 GMT

I have no idea why anyone thinks that these pictures are fake. I see this particular posting as being amazingly raw and real. And as for Hool's other work, I find it fascinating and inspirational. I wish I could "fake it" half as well as him.

Leah: you may have instigated something, but that guy was a complete fuckwit. Stay away from assholes, but keep picking up the litter. I do, and every little does help.

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 28th Jan 2006 - 19:20 GMT

I have no idea why anyone thinks that these pictures are fake. I see this particular posting as being amazingly raw and real. And as for Hool's other work, I find it fascinating and inspirational. I wish I could "fake it" half as well as him.

Leah: you may have instigated something, but that guy was a complete fuckwit. Stay away from assholes, but keep picking up the litter. I do, and every little does help.

bengio: 28th Jan 2006 - 19:26 GMT

i think people can very literal and uhng up on the specifics of what charges people are bringing to who. sure, tossing someone's litter back into their car, the police can take that to a judge on an assault charge. i'd like to see what happens in court when any judge sees the full story, with photographs. no way would that be a bad outcome for the courier.

herb: 28th Jan 2006 - 19:37 GMT

I did a similar thing last summer. Up on Dupont a van dropped their coffee out the window so I decided to give it back to them. Their window was open a crack so I shoved the coffee cup back in. That got them really pissed. The passenger threatened me with what I think was a switchblade (blade still hidden). That got me thinking that this wasn't worth the argument so I backed off onto the sidewalk, waited till they started driving and called the cops with their license plate.

The cop was great, he sympathized with my moral outrage and said that he also cycled. He said that even he never confronts people when he is offduty. Too dangerous. The police talked to the guys and did a background check. Looks like they had no record so it wasn't really worth it for me to pursue further. Since, after all, I didn't have incriminating evidence like photos of them attacking me or anything.

So, that could have been me fighting off an angry driver!

Toca Loca : 28th Jan 2006 - 19:54 GMT

Leah - good on you. I can't believe that people can condone violence of this nature as warranted!!!! That is such bullshit. BTW, this post has been boingboinged (boingboing.net).

I would be willing to contribute $20 to your legal fund if you decide to change your mind and press charges. I would strongly encourage you to do so. I'm also pretty optimistic that you would find a lot of other people willing to support you in covering any financial consequences of pursuing justice.

Speak-up for Men: 28th Jan 2006 - 20:07 GMT

Bike courier's like motorcycle riders are the most self-righteous sociapaths out there. This guys a bit of a dickhead . . . but you can bet the courier had more than her fair share of blame in this incident.

No doubt she runs redlights, rides on the footpaths and in Bus lanes - but hey, if someone litters . . . it's her God given right to take action. B*tch.

Chevette Washington: 28th Jan 2006 - 20:37 GMT

SUV & Litter & Violence. Microcosm; Macrocosm. Thats Big Oil right there in one guy viva Cyclista!
Versimiltude? I believe this was staged, but on a deeper level, by the city itself.

Keith: Crazy sh*t!

Eric: 28th Jan 2006 - 20:39 GMT

He was wrong to litter. She was foolish to think that OPENING HIS DOOR and throwing food back at him wouldn't result in an altercation.

Apparently none of you bikers have ever owned a car. To the owner it is like another home.

All that said, if you changed your mind and pressed charges(which I think would be the lawful thing to do), I would bet that you could post an address here and people would send you MORE than the cost of the fine(and the "damage" to the car). Think about it.

Zoo: 28th Jan 2006 - 20:47 GMT

Z00B0MB fights evil crime!

Minibike Winter Olympics are soon,

via http://www.flickr.com/photos/revphil/63795975/

only me: 28th Jan 2006 - 20:50 GMT

The misogyny is some of these posts in incredible.

The guy's "a bit of a dickhead"? Come on, he carries a baseball bat in his trunk, and I don't think it's for games.

The woman in the black vest is brave. And, incidentally, sexy as hell.

bkrog: 28th Jan 2006 - 20:54 GMT

Mush - and others:
You refer to 'Canada being 12 years behind the US' in crime: you'd better actually check sources and do some research before posting undocumented hearsay.
Check out http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_11403.shtml
A relevant quote from Canada's National Post (Jan 3): "Canada's overall crime rate is now 50% higher than the crime rate in the United States." He further noted, "Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80% of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada's 10 biggest cities."
More details and analysis follows.

rrrrr: 28th Jan 2006 - 21:08 GMT

I am a cyclist (I also drive) and encounter this kind of rage from motorists quite frequently. I think it is important to retain a Zen like state while navigating the streets (as another person commented).

It is dangerous enough just cycling without going all vigilante with psychotic drivers.

The pictures are obviously not fake - well done Hool on a great piece of photo-journalism.

Some kudos to Leah for standing up for what she believes in and for coming onto this forum and putting her side. But for the sake of your child and your own health and safety - there is no need to descend to his level. Maybe you should reconsider pressing charges - I too would happily contribute to any mischief fine.

The driver is clearly a bit beserk and needs some anger management sessions. A cold shower might also help.

Dominic: 28th Jan 2006 - 21:51 GMT

Just one thought...you've identified the courier. Since she's been talked out of pressing charges, can anyone identify the male? There should at least be a name to go with the face so he can take credit for his actions, right or wrong.

scribbler: 28th Jan 2006 - 21:52 GMT

People that litter are ignorant, arrogant pigs that deserve to have the trash they throw on the ground thrown back in their faces & the environmentally destroying cars they drive.
The drive needs lots & lots of therapy. And a baseball bat enema.

scribbler: 28th Jan 2006 - 21:54 GMT

People that litter are ignorant, arrogant pigs that deserve to have the trash they throw on the ground thrown back in their faces & the environmentally destroying cars they drive.
The driver needs lots & lots of therapy. And a baseball bat enema.

scribbler: 28th Jan 2006 - 21:54 GMT

People that litter are ignorant, arrogant pigs that deserve to have the trash they throw on the ground thrown back in their faces & the environmentally destroying cars they drive.
The driver needs lots & lots of therapy. And a baseball bat enema.

moshi moshi: was the coffee fair trade?

B: OMG.. you guys are all pussies. Big friggin deal

Uhclem: 28th Jan 2006 - 22:17 GMT

Bkrog: hard to know whether people read the National Post because they're ignorant, or are ignorant because they read the Post.

As any encyclopedia would have told you (Wikipedia here) "Compared to the United States Canada has far lower rates of violent crime such as murder, assault, and rape. Through the 1990s, the homicide rate in the United States was three times higher than it was in Canada, while the American rate for aggravated assault was double the Canadian rate. The rate for robberies was 65% higher in the United States."

Crime in Canada is declining overall, last year's murder rate in T.O. not withstanding. Again, from Wikipediaa, "In 2002, there were roughly 2.4 million crimes reported, of which 52% were property related crimes and 13% were violent crimes. This was the lowest crime rate in twenty-five years with 7,590 reported incidents per 100,000 people."

Mack-Limelight: 28th Jan 2006 - 22:17 GMT

Ya someone should ID the driver, like they did in the Japanese Subway Dog Poop girl story.

Toronto Driver# ??: 28th Jan 2006 - 22:25 GMT

As a driver, I commend Leah on her actions. I've personally flashed my lights at a litterer only to have them start to litter more crap out of their cars to spite me. There are way too many prick drivers out there who really should be brought to light. The keying part is a bit much if it was on purpose but on the other hand if someone threw coffee purposefully on my girlfriend because they can't deal with getting caught for their own nonsense then I personally would get great satisfaction from peeling their flesh off of them... So yeah I guess good work Leah :)

justin sane: 28th Jan 2006 - 22:34 GMT

Just wanted to give a shout out to my homies in the 512...u know who u are... peace out, bitches!

malcy: 28th Jan 2006 - 22:56 GMT

So, basically - TWO assholes cross paths; drama ensues. The bilestorm, generated by the photopost itself, is remarkable!

I hate littering. And I hate that guy too.: 28th Jan 2006 - 23:14 GMT

That guy is a total ass and I wish she'd pressed charges.
If I see him in Kensington I'm gonna buy a hamburger or a samosa or something and put it under his windshield wiper.

I enjoy sarcastically - and loudly - thanking litterers for being pigs.

g. bush: how about that acid rain?

expert witness: 29th Jan 2006 - 00:15 GMT

The bike girl should have pressed charges!
Don't be intimidated, if the police say "you will be charged to. Fine let the prosecuting attorneys prove their case! "Got evidence?"
Stand your ground against uncivil slobs, be they in SUV's, Suits, junkie jammies, or in spandex jogging shorts. What is wanted? A culture, a society of civil minding and active minds that will bring block heads of the sort pictured here to task and to face the ugly spoon of of their actions.
Press charges and let the chips fall as they will, "truth has a sound of it's own"!!

expert witness: 29th Jan 2006 - 00:15 GMT

The bike girl should have pressed charges!
Don't be intimidated, if the police say "you will be charged to. Fine let the prosecuting attorneys prove their case! "Got evidence?"
Stand your ground against uncivil slobs, be they in SUV's, Suits, junkie jammies, or in spandex jogging shorts. What is wanted? A culture, a society of civil minding and active minds that will bring block heads of the sort pictured here to task and to face the ugly spoon of of their actions.
Press charges and let the chips fall as they will, "truth has a sound of it's own"!!

debra: 29th Jan 2006 - 00:20 GMT

what a dumb broad, she deserved everything she got for throwing the litter back in his car.

Leah's My Hero: 29th Jan 2006 - 00:40 GMT

Myself, I've come very close to tossing lit cigarettes back into people's cars with an explanation like, "Oh... I guess you dropped this."

I'll just make my getaway while they are trying to put out the fire. ;)

Cucky: 29th Jan 2006 - 01:05 GMT

Leah, your dumbass deserved what you got and more. If you want to fight crime, join her majesty's RCMP. Otherwise stick to your mindless, skank-ho courier job. You area dumbass, but I'd still let you smoke my pole.

Cucky: 29th Jan 2006 - 01:06 GMT

Leah, youre dumbass deserved what you got and more. If you want to fight crime, join her majesty's RCMP. Otherwise stick to your mindless, skank-ho courier job. You are dumbass, but I'd still let you smoke my pole.

Greg: 29th Jan 2006 - 01:17 GMT

I was once a "brave" cyclist, until I got my head nearly bashed in. Now I realize how vulnerable cyclists are. For your own well-being, I suggest you (and Leah if she has a next time) just take a licence number and report whatever infraction you witness. Littering, and pretty much anything else I can think of, is just not worth your life/health.

Disgusted Californian: 29th Jan 2006 - 01:48 GMT

So a man not under immediate danger from a woman should just smack her around? Very pro-domestic violence, very classy. You "she got just what she deserved" lot are assholes, may you never get laid.

nathan: 29th Jan 2006 - 01:54 GMT

Wow, a dude going after a girl. I wish I had been there. I would have pulled him inside out by reaching down his throat and grabbing his ass.

Pondering: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:05 GMT

I do not understand folks trying to stir things up after Leah said she's letting
it drop. She admitted that she was not blameless and could be charged with
assault. Why persuade her to become a martyr to 'go after' that guy further?
Would that help the cause of courriers and anti-litterers? Besides, it
will cost Leah - and it could cost her dearly.

Sure, we could pay for her lawyer, cover her fines and other expenses but can we compensate for her time and reputation? Having a criminal record is not a good thing; having a conviction for assault would affect her job prospects.

The guy's face is on the net - many people who know him have read/seen this
(maybe including his boss & his in-laws). The next time he goes apeshit, this may be admitted as evidence. Leah should quit while she's ahead!

BTW: folks, when you see someone commit a crime (or a misdeed) think before you act. Not only don't two wrongs make a right - YOUR wrong action can be used to discredit your entire cause. For example the environmentalists who set fire
to SUV's in a dealer's lot cost the movement much public support (enough that I
wonder if that was their goal) - if we want to stop littering and make roads safe for bikes we must win the public's hearts and minds, not play tit-for-tat.

Argentius: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:09 GMT

In another world of fantasy, sudden karmic retribution paralyzes the guy for life so he has to learn what it's like to need some kindness from others to get on with daily life...

Littering IS really frustrating, but -- not necessarily in this particular incident -- some people take the policing a little too far.

On the way home a while back, I had picked up a couple of cans that someone else had left on the ground, and a bit later I forgot they were there and when I opened my bag at a stoplight, they came tumbling out. I was gonna go pick 'em up after the brief confusion, but this chick in a car beside me shouts "Thanks for littering, a$$hole!" That made me pretty upset, considering.

Jodes: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:22 GMT

Calling a girl a 'lesbian' for standing up to physical violence? Lordy, who threatened your masculinity? That's so pathetic. How cave-man of you. Its a good thing she's got no obvious physical differences or you'd be picking on that as well, I suppose. Dickwads.

If I had been in Leah's position, I would have gone through with the charges. So tired of people shrugging when others do wrong, and yes, you bet I would have (non-violently) defended my bike and called attention to the guy's behaviour. Im willing to bet its not the first time he's gone apeshit at someone. It won't be the last, either. He needs a dose of reality about how to treat others.

hbirdman: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:28 GMT

If you read Leah's account at 27th Jan 2006 - 22:45 GMT there were 5 assaults across 2 incidences. the first two were trivial food assaults of trash food and coffee then according to Leah's account he:

"grabbed me by my helmet and tried to toss me around a bit.It was at that point that my bike lock key (that I wear on a bracelet around my wrist) scratched his car."

which is the third assault and then

"with some "encouraging" from some helpfull bystanders he got in his car and drove away...or so I thought!".

He left the scene in his car which effectively end that incidence. He then returned to the scene by his own choosing at which point the photos begin that document the 4th assault . From Leah's account:

"But just as I was getting on my bike to ride home he came running back and thats when the photos start."

The final assault or perhaps threat of an assault was on Hool, to quote Hool:

"i followed the motorist back to his car to photograph his license plate number. he proceeded to open his trunk, take out a baseball bat, and charge me. i walked away, and was one of only two witnesses to stay at the scene and give a statement to police."

The first incident was fairly trivial and was shrugged off by Leah and even if she had keyed the car on purpose, which she stated she did not, it would a civil matter that would be pointless to pursue without an eyewitness to the keying

The assault documented in the photo stands on it own. It was not provoked because he left and choose to return. In essence violent revenge for what was maybe at best a civil matter.

Leah should reconsider pressing charges, maybe even civil charges, how's your back? it looked like your leg could have been hurt when he was stomping on your wheel. Hell, you make your living with your legs as a courier. This incident seem well documented with Hool's photos. You should think it over.

Hool, you should file a complaint with the authorities for the threat with the baseball bat. Did you snap any pics of that?

I think the cops were giving advice that caused them the least amount of paperwork.

drewish: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:31 GMT

This reminds me of an article we wrote for a zine. See "Confronting a motorist" in BUI #2 page 25)

hbirdman: Sorry the first he should read she in my post

calhoon: Ha Ha!!!! Peanut Butter Jelly Time!

oscar: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:39 GMT

To Leah, never pick a fight you can't win. According to nature, thats a reason to boot you form the gene pool. Where you scared when he attacked you? We only need to fear what we don't respect.

As for the guy I think he way over reacted, instead of hitting you, perhaps I would have just taken the hamburguer and smeared it all over your face and bike.

Next time, don't be so arrogant. If someone opens my car door im not going to kindly ask "what is the matter?", I'm going to try to defend myself because I don't know what that person opening my door can or will do. Dig?

I can hear it now, "oh but shes a girl", well yeah maybe this psycho bitch that opens my door and throws garbage at me is packing, you never know.. just like he had a bat you could've had a knife, for example.

A lot of people seem to also be debating hte legality, can he press charges for this, can she press charges for that. That is not relevant I think, what is important is that Leah learn from this experience and realize that it is not smart to do that activist retardedness. Trying to outsmart and insult people is not the way to go. Perhaps not lowering to their level is also a good thing?

If i poke a piece of fur with a stick and it turns out that it's lion and he bites my hand off, who is the idiot there? Of course they may shoot the lion afterwards because it might be dangerous to others, but that doesn't give me my hand back.

Also, I don't people like either of you belong on the street. He has no respect for women and littering, meanwhile you don't have respect for private property or the law.

Have a nice day.

dude: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:40 GMT

"Bike courier's like motorcycle riders are the most self-righteous sociapaths out there" Speak-up for Men: 28th Jan 2006 - 20:07 GMT

no. ceo's take that category.

hbirdman: No I take that back it should read he, Doh

Marvin Holivard: So has she been fired yet?

Juggle: 29th Jan 2006 - 02:56 GMT

I don't consider throwing out small portions of food to be littering. The food will be consumed by bugs, birds and animals in a matter of hours. I'm sure they will appreciate it.

Therefore, I think this girl went way beyond the line. Why not just say something to the guy? By throwing the food back in his car, you're getting his interior dirty. It's not like it's a piece of paper. The bun probably had ketchup on it or what not.

I would have gotten pissed off too if I was that guy. You have no right to do that. You're one of those people who wants to control others. Trying to get a power trip just cause you're probably not too happy with your life.

When I first saw the pictures, I was really pissed off at the guy, but now that I think about the circumstances, you caused this whole thing!! You could have just verbally abused the guy or something, don't throw food in his car you bitch.

hbirdman: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:04 GMT

oscar, I think, what is important is not that Leah learn from this, I shure she allready has, but that the dickhead learn respect for the rule of law. You don't commit felony assault and battery in response to mischief. Press charges!

Norman Cay: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:05 GMT

....so fucked up. I once saw a poor bike courier getting similar treatment here in Santa Monica CA....I got out of my car and walked up to the motorist assaulting the bike courier and smashed his face into his windshield....he RAN OVER THE COURIERS BIKE partially....this is just like shocking....Canada is a nice calm place....from the times I have been there...

Paolo: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:06 GMT

Just to remind the roadraging driver that now the world knows your face. Keep your anger in check or someone is bound to return the favour.

Norman Cay: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:06 GMT

....so fucked up. I once saw a poor bike courier getting similar treatment here in Santa Monica CA....I got out of my car and walked up to the motorist assaulting the bike courier and smashed his face into his windshield....he RAN OVER THE COURIERS BIKE partially....this is just like shocking....Canada is a nice calm place....from the times I have been there...There is no fucking excuse for throwing anything out of your car.

oscar: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:22 GMT

hbirdman, you are correct. As I was writing my comments I was not thinking about the guy, just trying to imagine from Leah's point of view what I would have thought about the whole thing.

Paolo: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:33 GMT

P.S. Leah,

You stood up against this thug for littering but back down when he assaults you. I'm afraid at this point it is abundantly clear that your responsibility is to press charges. If you're looking for a feeler for the moral climate that's out there, the Internet is a perfect barometer. So, use this to bolster your initial reaction to this man and follow through. Clearly, the community is more than willing to help you, provide moral support, and apparently financial. What better karmic justice can there be than this and lastly, what makes you think that Karma didn't pick you to ensure this punk is punished.

s: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:51 GMT

IS IT TRUE THE TORONTO POLICE ENCOURAGED HER NOT TO FILE CHARGES??

another bike commuter: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:55 GMT

Yay Leah for standing up against the disposable-world automotive culture! I understand not pressing anything further, not wanting to be part of that bad scene any longer.

yyy: 29th Jan 2006 - 03:59 GMT

ok so this woman, who by the way is riding a bicycle through public streets wearing sunglasses and listening to an ipod (illegal), picks up food that the driver threw out and throws it back at him and his vehicle, which is assault, then apparently keys his car after the driver retaliates by throwing cold coffee on her...... she is a fu@king moron!

colin: 29th Jan 2006 - 04:02 GMT

the only thing i hope comes from this is that just as people recognized leah, i hope people recognize the offender. someone oughta find out where he works and show these photos to his boss.

Gato: 29th Jan 2006 - 04:03 GMT

Just saw the story on BoingBoing. Leah, you should definitely press charges. Throwing back the food in the car was definitely not a good idea, but physically assaulting a smaller woman is for cowards and psychos. It's a pathological and socially dangerous behavior. Just look at his face on the pictures, this guy is scary. Justice has to tell him to cool down. Think about the day this will happen again, but this time without a camera or people around to help. You can help stop that.

Tolling: Nice performance art.

So-Called "Austin Mayor": 29th Jan 2006 - 04:44 GMT

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So-Called "Austin Mayor":

NEW YORK GRITTY: 29th Jan 2006 - 04:58 GMT

Leah, you're obviously smart enough to ignore these haters. I (and many others who had a dicussion about this in NYC) think you rock. You've got to pick your battles though (damn, I sound like my father). This psycho driver could have been even crazier.

Regardless: keep riding, stay safe, and stick to your guns.

Kristin: 29th Jan 2006 - 04:58 GMT

The lack of inteligence of some of the posters on here is amazing. To whoever is posting the pictures: your lack of photoshop skills is trumped only by your complete lack of any cerebral matter. Leah, thank you for standing up to the ever-increasing number of over-testosteroned penis-replacement-SUV-driving troglodytes who think, like our little (in what must be so many ways) artist here, that the world revolves around them, and that there will always be someone around to clean up their trail of messes. While you would be doing the rest of the city a favor by going after this ass legally, you can rest assured that, in the end, you will be happily surrounded by your family, loved and admired by a son you are raising to be the complete opposite of the driver, and able to sleep well at night, while he will spend his life chasing or buying anything that will make him feel less empty and will most likely die alone in a puddle of his own urine.

Kristin: 29th Jan 2006 - 04:58 GMT

The lack of inteligence of some of the posters on here is amazing. To whoever is posting the pictures: your lack of photoshop skills is trumped only by your complete lack of any cerebral matter. Leah, thank you for standing up to the ever-increasing number of over-testosteroned penis-replacement-SUV-driving troglodytes who think, like our little (in what must be so many ways) artist here, that the world revolves around them, and that there will always be someone around to clean up their trail of messes. While you would be doing the rest of the city a favor by going after this ass legally, you can rest assured that, in the end, you will be happily surrounded by your family, loved and admired by a son you are raising to be the complete opposite of the driver, and able to sleep well at night, while he will spend his life chasing or buying anything that will make him feel less empty and will most likely die alone in a puddle of his own urine.

Reality: 29th Jan 2006 - 05:00 GMT

Throwing discarded waste back into a car is in no way assault. Any half ass lawyer can paint that picture to look like the return of lost material. The dumping of coffee is assault. The car keying was stupid- if real. The only real proof that is not word of mouth is against the jackass. Pictures. I hope he is turned into a mockery.

catbert: 29th Jan 2006 - 05:14 GMT

It's nice to hear someone actually stands up for the community.
Good job Leah!

becky: 29th Jan 2006 - 05:20 GMT

maybe the guy didn't know it was ag irl on the bike.

oh yeah, is that shocked looking blond woman his ladyfriend? shit, if i saw anyone i was dating freak out like that... i'd tell them to fuck off.

caaaaaaa: 29th Jan 2006 - 05:50 GMT

if this troll on her bike wouldve pulled the "throwing food in a car" stunt in Oakland california she wouldve been murdered. Leah, consider yourself lucky that you got off with a bent rim, soaked backpack and online humiliation from the incredibly hilarious pictures of yourself.

Not Diah: 29th Jan 2006 - 05:56 GMT

yo what the fuck, you idiots need to realize that by him throwing the food out the window he's

1. Feeding a homeless guy
2. Giving someone a job
3. Puts prison workers to good use

so what if he littered, that fucking cunt has no right to throw trash into his car. Stupid tree hugging bitch, this never would have happened if she was in the kitchen cooking dinner where she belongs. The hole was lucky to only get coffee thrown on her.

Seth Shaw: 29th Jan 2006 - 05:57 GMT

I would have fucking cocked that man in the throat. Then I would have explained to him the proper way to treat women while he tried to find his adam's apple.
Pigfucker.

KRIST: 29th Jan 2006 - 06:12 GMT

WELL IM NOT CONDONING WHAT THE GUY DID, BUT WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PICS, THE WOMAN ON THE BIKE LOOKS LIKE A MAN SO HE PROBABLY DIDNT KNOW SHE WAS A CHICK.

Sickened by women stay with guys like that: 29th Jan 2006 - 06:32 GMT

What I'm wondering is what the girlfriend is still doing with that guy. In the picture, it looks like she's trying to stop Leah from hitting him, instead of the other way around. If a "man" (which he's certainly not) would hit a woman in the street, there's no question about whether he'd hit one at home as well. And even if he doesn't hit her, she watched him attack another woman. That's a good chunk of the reason why guys who hit women *still* hit women - because there are women out there who allow it. I think that "women" (which the blonde is not) like that should be locked up right next to guys who hit women.

Roost: 29th Jan 2006 - 06:33 GMT

You both got what you deserved....

To Leah, who says she would "do it again", I say, I hope you get beat up again.... and maybe next time Karma will get your rims bent enough that you can't ride anymore...

This is precisely what you get when two morons meet on the street,

Zak: 29th Jan 2006 - 06:46 GMT

Good work Leah. I always want to give people back their litter, but for some reason, I never do.

Good work, girl in the black vest. Most people wouldn't get involved because it's 'not their problem'.

Chris: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:01 GMT

I must be the only one who thinks the photographer is a jerk for taking photos as he watched a girl get attacked.

Not even reporters are above true life. Screw capturing it and HELP THE POOR GIRL.

Or is it that important to have so many internet denizens in solidarity?

Peter: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:07 GMT

Dude's a putz. Where I come from, you treat women with respect. He deserves a very thorough beat down.

The police need a good talking to as well. Giving him back his litter is not assault or anything like that. And a good cop would see that. I think they just didn't want to deal with the paperwork.

winnebago: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:07 GMT

intresting how everyone who posted picture is making fun of Leah.
The angry man with yellow teeth and a nasty sneer needs some clam chowder image goodness too.

Youngster: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:09 GMT

Why are people assuming that the coffee was hot? (references to 3rd degree burns and such). Maybe the coffee was cold, and maybe the guy was trying to give the girl a shower? She is a bicycle courier, which as all studies show have a 96% chance of being a dirty hippy.

Jbear: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:14 GMT

thousands of posts and none of you even have a clue as to what actually happened except a few pictures which can be taken a lot of different ways. Random speculation, even by the one guy that was there, is not to have complete conclusions drawn upon it. Also, in the US, where many readers are from, have come to this page from links all over the net. Discuss what you must, but please dont judge these people. Engaging in violence is wrong, especially when in a city where violence is nothing compared to southern rivals such as chicago, NY, and D.C.
Assault is more of the threat of doing harm, while it is battery that is the actual hitting. Hence assault and battery. Someone up there go get a copy of the police report and post it in here, I would love to see that.

Mike D.: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:22 GMT

Police frequently encourage people not to press charges for two reasons. One, it may clog up the system where it may very well be handled externally on their own. Second, if she presses charges on him for assault and battery, then he, using her own necesary testimony, can return charges for damage to personal property and returning the assault. Neither is going to do any time in jail or prison time for these crimes without prior conviction on their record, so it comes down to fines and fees. He pays bill for possible stain removal and maybe bike repair. She pays for a new paint job on his car, plus possible interior cleaning for the food. It is in her best interest financially to back off. If she was hurt physically at all, or can afford to pay his bills, then by all means, press every charge you can.

Rand: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:27 GMT

The guy should be charged to the fullest, anyone with a bat going around should be if they decide to go nuts... Leah wasn't right either, I hate "garbage" people too. I live in a small town and pick up after kids along the local trails... It's not going to get any better if you don't call them on it, but throwing the stuff in the car and keying his car is not cool either. Just bitch em out. I used to live in TO and am going to again soon, this is not the place Toronto or Canada should be... It's time to act like adults. This is just embarrassing for everyone. Shame.

LitterBlitter: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:42 GMT

Don't litter in Toronto. This is kind of a cultural norm thing (although you couldn't really tell by looking at Kensington). I'm not particularly environmentally aware -- I grew up middle class in Toronto, and I remember being shocked at the realization that people threw their garbage on the street. To me that's like spitting on the floor inside a hotel. There's no excuse except accidental droppage.

I'm not pointing this out to be high and mighty. It's just that in my peer group this would be seen as really strange and bizarre behaviour, not an accident. Cultural norms are funny things.

If I see someone littering, I usually just play innocent and say: "Excuse me ... sir ... sir ... you dropped your x." I suppose it helps that I'm non-white / 6'3" / 215 lbs

feet!: 29th Jan 2006 - 07:48 GMT

Dude's got issues and girl should have biked the hell away!

Scary man comes towards me - I run. I don't know about anyone else here.

Ryan: Leah, will you marry me?

William: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:04 GMT

Hi, Leah! I'm in for up to US$500 on any legal fees or fines that help this guy get put away. Just ask the Boing Boing people to post a follow-up and I (and a zillion others) will see it. Or ask the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition to post it in their weekly email. Or both.

It's important to me because guys who hit don't do it just once. He has probably done this before, and he likely will go on to assault or abuse other people. Once he has a criminal record for something like this, that makes a lot of things easier, things like restraining orders for his exes and court-ordered anger management classes.

Getting in your face after returning his litter is understandable. Assault isn't, let alone the premeditated assault on you and the attempted assault with a weapon on the photographer that followed. You, and only you, can start reigning this guy in. I urge you to do it!

Youngster: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:07 GMT

LitterBlitter, take your accidental droppage and shove it up your manhole. And lose some weight while you're at it you fattie.

Kindofkensington: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:09 GMT

Jaysus, I can barely believe some of the stuff I've read here. Got the link from BoingBoing, used to live just up the road on Augusta, saw some idiotic carry on in my time at the corner of Augusta and Oxford, but this is the worst ever. Honestly, this driver has issues, and anyone who blasts Leah for standing up for common decency needs to take a minute and figure out what the hell is important in this world. If one's automobile paint job is enough to justify that sort of violence, then we are at a sorry pass, and everything Kensington still stands for is already floating down the river. I've seen so many people littering with a similar disregard for their environment, and I wish I had the balls to do what Leah did. Your car isn't your family, your paint job isn't your life, your urge to dump your crap isn't a right, and your compulsion to spew vitriol (in real life and on message boards) should be channelled in a more productive way. For instance, you could stop litterbugs, and maybe prevent people getting beaten up in road rage incidents. May the spirit of Kensington live on, and may violent people everywhere be told their behaviour is not just unacceptable, but also bloody weird. Leah and photographer, I'd love to get you a nice coffee in Casa Acoreana. And maybe a drink down in Last Temptation to laugh at the driver and his poor girlfriend! KofK

comments: comments are somehow ridicule

stonedrobot.com: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:18 GMT

i dont care if it is mine, if some dumb dyke on a bike throws trash in my car you can expect the same reaction.

THe Dave: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:20 GMT

I've got to say, that I side with the girl in the beginning of the story.

I've been known to pick up other people's trash, and hand it to them, saying "Hey buddy, you must have dropped this."

Of course, I'm 6'1" 300lbs, they tend not to hop out of cars to start something with me.

Guess that makes me the litter-bully!

Dave, The.

Anon: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:30 GMT

The Dave:

So you're a big fatty.
Have another cheeseburger lardass

Have a nice day!

adam: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:49 GMT

how much longer before no more comments are allowed?

BigHungryAntelope: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:50 GMT

I am torn on this:

On one hand, there is no excuse for her picking fights with people. People need to chill out and live and let live and stop acting like Pat Roberson! A little tolerance goes a long way.

On the other hand, if anyone is familiar with Kensington, they know PEDESTRIANS RULE!!! The place is meant for walking. Unless you are from out of town and don't know better, or accidentally made a wrong turn, or are making a delivery, just driving the streets of Kensington means you are pushing your luck! If you are driving through Kensington, you should be doing 5 KM max and giving max respect to everyone there because you are the one pissing everyone off! The guy seems like he was itching for trouble and I don't have any sympathy for what happened to him. And then threatening the photographer with the baseball bat totally pushed it over the line - it is one thing to be pissed off at someone throwing something at you, but when you threaten uninvolved bystandards you are crossing the line into psycho territory.

If I was appointed judge, jury, and executioner of the world:
1. Girl should get off with a stern warning.
2. The guy should be permanently banned from ever coming back to Kensington again. Let him drive his SUV to a supermarket in the suburbs to get his fruits and veggies next time! That would more suit his lifestyle anyway.

Ian Brown: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:53 GMT

The "humourous" images and comments about Leah's alleged lesbianism must have been made by people who couldn't read the post(s) mentioning her daughter.

Hatred of cyclists seems to be correlated with hatred of gay people in this forum.

THe Dave: 29th Jan 2006 - 08:57 GMT

Yeah, (anon you little twit) this big fatty, rode his little Cannondale from San Francisco to LA.

And, frequently get my 100 mile days in.

So, chew on that.

groovehouse: 29th Jan 2006 - 09:41 GMT

fazed on 1.29.06

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greetings fazers!

Wise Man: 29th Jan 2006 - 09:53 GMT

I'd have a comment on this, if it werent a
FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE.

The sneer on his face? Ive seen better acting
in a ED WOOD movie.

Nizzle, please.

Please please please: 29th Jan 2006 - 10:16 GMT

Someone post the guys name and address

HOPWhiteyFord: 29th Jan 2006 - 10:21 GMT

I would just like to say, both are at fault, no excuse...
both parties were in the wrong...
if you have a problem with someone littering, you don't throw the litter back at them,
you tell them to pick it up, if they refuse hold it up to them...
if they still refuse, then your not going to change thier behavior,
your just going to anger them when you throw the litter at them.
An instinctive response for when you have litter thrown at you is to throw whatever potential litter you have at hand at the person...
this is also completely unacceptable.
The keying the car afterward is a childish act that seems to be just to escalate the situation...
What do you think is going to happen when you key someone's car while they are in it? They aren't going to be pleasant...
The person in the car is going to carry it farther, because you are provoking them.
Story short... both should be arrested and put in jail for a bit.

Sniper8052: 29th Jan 2006 - 10:39 GMT

He commited ABH possibly GBH if the coffee was hot enough to scald
She commited criminal damage,
If he were to be found it would be very difficult to prosecute one without the other so it's probably better left as it is.
This is a 'square up' not a prosecution unless you were going to prosecute both parties by statute with the injured party being the City.

elaine: 29th Jan 2006 - 10:44 GMT

the 'fake' comments are so weird,
it's like some baudrillardian fantasy where people are so punch drunk with fakery they can't see the join.
for them the real is fake and the fake is real.
(and there can not possibly exist a world in which you might have a talent, work on the skills endlessly, and be able to create something good because of all the work and skill and talent)

it may make the universe implode, so hold onto your seats.

paul: 29th Jan 2006 - 10:55 GMT

the guy has no right to hit or act violently towards a woman. I would love to see this guy actaully have to fight a man. Women beware, there are crazy guys every where!

anon (CPE-58-164-86-70.nsw.bigpond.net.au.86.164.58.in-addr.arpa): 29th Jan 2006 - 11:02 GMT

Leah rocks, all the SUV heads trying to attack her are losers so they don't count for much.
The people trying to sit on the fence and say Leah did the wrong thing are are what concern me.
Get off your butts and take some action, forget about winning hearts and minds, you can see what the hearts and minds of the average SUV driver are like by reading some of the posts on this page, don't bother trying to change them. Motorists are vulnerable, with her key Leah made that guy pay a heavy price for his behaviour. We should all follow her example

anon (CPE-58-164-86-70.nsw.bigpond.net.au.86.164.58.in-addr.arpa): 29th Jan 2006 - 11:02 GMT

Leah rocks, all the SUV heads trying to attack her are losers so they don't count for much.
The people trying to sit on the fence and say Leah did the wrong thing are are what concern me.
Get off your butts and take some action, forget about winning hearts and minds, you can see what the hearts and minds of the average SUV driver are like by reading some of the posts on this page, don't bother trying to change them. Motorists are vulnerable, with her key Leah made that guy pay a heavy price for his behaviour. We should all follow her example

Rebel: This guy should be locked up.

myself: 29th Jan 2006 - 11:37 GMT

that's the reason why i always carry a gun when biking. i glad that i live in a country where i'm allowed to defend myself when attacked.

anon (cosh-cache-1.server.ntli.net): 29th Jan 2006 - 11:56 GMT

Couldn't she have just had a go at the guy? It's not like he dumped trash *on* her.

I'm not saying he was right to litter, pour coffee on her or try and assault her...
...but it's also obvious that she made the first move against him without so much as a word by chucking the trash back in his car...
...she also keyed his car, which is criminal damage...

Therefore they're as bad as eachother. It's a no-brainer. Besides - everyone knows that SUV drivers assume they own the road and cyclists...
carve everyone up dangerously and dodge between cars. I know this as I've been both a cyclist and a motorist for some years now.

He should go down for attempted assault. She should go down for criminal damage. End of story.

pureevilmatt: 29th Jan 2006 - 12:55 GMT

don't they pay people to pick up litter? if everyone stopped littering, all those people would be out of jobs.
that's fantasy though. you'll never stop everyone from littering.
so what's the point of flipping out and throwing shit at the rare person who does litter?
your life must be pretty boring if you have to entertain yourself with such a weak cause.
sure nothing the guy did was right and in most cases, outright wrong but he was going tit for tat.
in each instance, she was the one who escalated the aggression...
litter hurts no one. throwing something at someone can hurt them. keying a car costs money.
"please don't litter in our fair city sir."- bamn, message delivered.
thus, therefore, in conclusion: both parties involved are retards.
kudos to the cops who did a good job by keeping this bullshit out of the courts.

macko: 29th Jan 2006 - 13:01 GMT

She keyed the guys' car AFTER he tossed coffee on her. You toss a cup of coffee on me from your vehicle and I'm f'n your ride up. End of story.

Anon: 29th Jan 2006 - 13:23 GMT

The Dave:

Hey fatty!

Bet you haven't seen your genitals in years!

Hope you die of heart disease lardass!

Great pictures by the way.

anon (203.13.128.101): 29th Jan 2006 - 13:46 GMT

cops "encouraged her to drop charges"
sounds like the cops were the only using their brains.
Leah initiated the aggression.
I would approve of a law that said : "penalty for throwing rubbish out of a vehicle - 12 months loss of licence" or similar.
But what she did was stupid. Wonder if she will do that again?

herb: 29th Jan 2006 - 14:29 GMT

Some of the posts above could probably fall under Canada's hate crime laws. I don't see how the images with slogans add anything to this discussion. If I were moderating I'd delete them.

dj_flx: 29th Jan 2006 - 15:32 GMT

herb - Yeah, the hell with free speech, the government should dictate what people can say.

Oh, wait, is this thing /in/ Canada? Heh.

Tim: 29th Jan 2006 - 15:40 GMT

I think we can all spot the nutbars in this thread who would also respond in a similar fashion to the idiot driver. I weep for humanity.

Dumb Bicycler's should be shot: 29th Jan 2006 - 17:11 GMT

See, Cartman's mom was right, FUCK CANADA, let's nuke it to prevent thos agressive genes from spreading over the world.

p.s. i don't litter, but if she would do that to me, the coffee would be the least of her problems, i would shove that bike up her ass.

dillo: 29th Jan 2006 - 17:15 GMT

To all the posters that think they are good with photoshop
Your maturity shows.......

Rowan James: 29th Jan 2006 - 17:35 GMT

It is quite clear that if Leah had been a big biker guy with a gun this motorist would not have flipped out. He only did that because she is smaller than him and he knew he could bully her. He knew the Toronto police do not take violence against women seriously and he would not be charged. Its typical moronic male violence against women and he should be locked up.

bruce walzer: 29th Jan 2006 - 17:48 GMT

Hmmm...

1. Guy drives around irritating people by dumping garbage on the street.

2. Someone reacts to this with a display of anger.

3. Guy outright attacks the objector.

4. Sometime during the altercation guy threatens someone with a weapon.

A person throwing litter back at a litterer is not a public danger. Someone
picking fights with strangers while showing a willingness to escalate such
a fight to the point of murder is a public danger. He has undoubtedly done this
before. He will likely do it again. The only question is "Will he get put in
prison before he kills or seriously injures someone?". I think the civic
responsibility is pretty clear here. Charges should be laid.

Dumb Bicycler's should be shot: 29th Jan 2006 - 17:52 GMT

he should have shoved that bike up her ass, who does she think she is?
Judge Dredd?

mike: 29th Jan 2006 - 17:55 GMT

leah,

my buddy designed the lake shoes(ALL of the lake shoes) you have on your feet in these photos. i talked to him and the owner of lake and they are both intersted in giving you some shoes and possibly other goodies. please contact me at: mhill@jcwhitney.com when you get a chance and i can arrange it. thanks and keep pickin up that trash!

dj_flx: 29th Jan 2006 - 18:28 GMT

About the above Lake comment...

Does this mean if I go out and start trouble with motorists and get it recorded somehow, I can get free stuff too?

(assuming the author is legit)

Dave: 29th Jan 2006 - 18:39 GMT

I realize that this is getting a bit off-topic, but here are my thoughts about female/male violence.

Physical AND emotional abuse should be avoided whenever possible
Keep in mind that your emotional abuse can lead to physical retaliation
Men are generally stronger than women and therefore better equipped to cause physical harm

Women shouldn't be led to believe that because they are female, men can't do physical harm to them.
If you are unable to defend yourself, then being involved in a fight is a big mistake.
Having said that, bullying people who are weaker than you is not cool.

johnsweden@hotmail.com: 29th Jan 2006 - 19:07 GMT

to the girl in the white vest... when you want to be with a real man, look me up..

theo: 29th Jan 2006 - 19:42 GMT

hey there leah,

If you haven't already gotten in touch with her, "the girl in the black vest" works at Ideal coffee on Nassau. I don't know her name.

xoxoxo Bruce: 29th Jan 2006 - 19:59 GMT

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?p=206723#post206723

Ean_Frick: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:00 GMT

Do any of you realize how much bullshit a biker constantly has to deal with?
There are way too many irresponsible assholes at the helm of a few thousand pounds of metal.
That jerk insulted everyone on that street by littering. Rock on Leah.

wondering,,,: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:00 GMT

is it possible that all the negative thread towards leah might be comming from the mashers butt-head friends??! Hmmm....

anon (CPE00904bf81fe3-CM00140454da00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com): 29th Jan 2006 - 20:02 GMT

she's a fucking bitch... who is she to throw carbage back in the car? if he litters, tell the police to write him a ticket but don't fucking throw it back... FUCKING WHORE... i hope she pays for the scratch... too bad she didn't get what she deserved - a nice blow to the head would set her straight!!!

JD: Can i have the burger?

dismayed: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:13 GMT

to everyone who says that Leah should have "politly asked him to dispose of his litter properly"...
I am pretty sure a block head like this guy would NOT have responded any differently to a verbal reprimand from Leah and infact i a very sure that his severe over reaction to the situation was atleast partially due to some lacking in the trouser department!LOL!!

jt: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:13 GMT

kudos to the motorist. dont let some pretentious activist mess with you. these people think they are incincible. And the fact that it was a woman only makes me happier. You nailed two birds with one stone.

Leyna: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:16 GMT

I think what Leah did is admirable. I doubt it did any good for the guy that littered but maybe other
people that saw what happened will be more aware of their actions. Not to sound like a flake but this is our
environment, it's important that we take care of it, not only for ourselves but for future generations.
She said she's got a son, I think she's got a right to be pissed off. I think we all have the right to be pissed off
when someone is fucking up our environment. We may not all be responsible for it but we'll all pay for it.

I don't get how people are standing up for this guy. If you flip out that easily over cosmetic damage than your priorities are
seriously fucked and you need help. Seriously, what about when his wife pisses him off? What if he has a kid and the kid
damages something of his? He obviously doesn't have a problem attacking someone that's smaller than him.

Leyna: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:17 GMT

I think what Leah did is admirable. I doubt it did any good for the guy that littered but maybe other
people that saw what happened will be more aware of their actions. Not to sound like a flake but this is our
environment, it's important that we take care of it, not only for ourselves but for future generations.
She said she's got a son, I think she's got a right to be pissed off. I think we all have the right to be pissed off
when someone is fucking up our environment. We may not all be responsible for it but we'll all pay for it.

I don't get how people are standing up for this guy. If you flip out that easily over cosmetic damage than your priorities are
seriously fucked and you need help. Seriously, what about when his wife pisses him off? What if he has a kid and the kid
damages something of his? He obviously doesn't have a problem attacking someone that's smaller than him.

Leyna: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:18 GMT

I think what Leah did is admirable. I doubt it did any good for the guy that littered but maybe other
people that saw what happened will be more aware of their actions. Not to sound like a flake but this is our
environment, it's important that we take care of it, not only for ourselves but for future generations.
She said she's got a son, I think she's got a right to be pissed off. I think we all have the right to be pissed off
when someone is fucking up our environment. We may not all be responsible for it but we'll all pay for it.

I don't get how people are standing up for this guy. If you flip out that easily over cosmetic damage than your priorities are
seriously fucked and you need help. Seriously, what about when his wife pisses him off? What if he has a kid and the kid
damages something of his? He obviously doesn't have a problem attacking someone that's smaller than him.

Leyna: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:21 GMT

I think what Leah did is admirable. I doubt it did any good for the guy that littered but maybe other
people that saw what happened will be more aware of their actions. Not to sound like a flake but this is our
environment, it's important that we take care of it, not only for ourselves but for future generations.
She said she's got a son, I think she's got a right to be pissed off. I think we all have the right to be pissed off
when someone is fucking up our environment. We may not all be responsible for it but we'll all pay for it.

I don't get how people are standing up for this guy. If you flip out that easily over cosmetic damage than your priorities are
seriously fucked and you need help. Seriously, what about when his wife pisses him off? What if he has a kid and the kid
damages something of his? He obviously doesn't have a problem attacking someone that's smaller than him.

proud pretentious activist: 29th Jan 2006 - 20:27 GMT

pretentious activist eh?? I dont see a problem with being put in the same catagory as Martin Luther King, Rosa parks,Ghandi, and any other "pretentious
activists" that are fighting an ongoing battle to better the earth while so many lazy, self centered clowns are leeching all they can from society/the
earth and leaving nothing but a legacy of sloth,apathy, and fast food wrappers!
Way to go Leah!! you do what you can to stand up for what you believe in no matter what the outcome. You make the GOOD people of the world proud!
p.s. why do so many people assume she is a lesbien...are straight women not as likly to stand up to a man??

bingo: 29th Jan 2006 - 22:20 GMT

Man some of you ppl are real mature.

Posting pics of this girl you don't know and calling her a lesbian.

Classy work dickhead.

Road Raged Motorist Loses: 29th Jan 2006 - 22:51 GMT

It's great how any comments defending the jackass guy come from obvious hillbilly types and socially backward neanderthals or right thinking people satiring the ignorant apes among us. Most people KNOW the guy is wrong regardless of circumstance HAHA loser jock woman beating looser wannabes! HAHA you're the minority now Bitch!

Angel from Montgomery: 29th Jan 2006 - 23:18 GMT

Leah,

If you're still looking for the girl in the black vest, I know her. Drop me a line at angel_from_montgomery (at) hotmail.com.

twowheeledknife: 29th Jan 2006 - 23:44 GMT

Hats off Leah you rock.Toughguy.... I hope I bump into you,I'll treat you to a nice lunch..of all you can KNUCLE SANDWICHES.ps Leah i will fight you at an undisclosed location next Friday...you're skins.Seriously....there should be more people like you.Ride safe.

Jack: 30th Jan 2006 - 00:40 GMT

i cant believe so many people have enough spare time to debate this nonesense. seriously! it was road rage, and they had a fight. So what. While you're at it, how about pumping out a 10,000 word thesis on the changing patterns or modern motorists in relation to road rage, and the moral, social, & economic implications it may have on our children's children.

Jack: 30th Jan 2006 - 00:42 GMT

i cant believe so many people have enough spare time to debate this nonesense. seriously... it was road rage, and they had a fight. So what. While you're at it, how about pumping out a 10,000 word thesis on the changing patterns or modern motorists in relation to road rage, and the moral, social, & economic implications it may have on our children's children.

NR: 30th Jan 2006 - 00:58 GMT

Littering sucks, but she shouldn't have thrown litter back into his car. And he shouldn't have smashed her bike after she keyed his car. At that point, I would have tackled her REALLY HARD and held her (knee on the head) until the police arrived. Gotta go through the right channels. No doubt a stupid incident.

RedEarth: 30th Jan 2006 - 00:59 GMT

You are kidding, I hope... Do you not think that this situation is indicative of a frightening trend of suppressed rage and of the violence that seems all too prevalent in North American communities these days?
I for one am apprehensive for our future, and this incident is reason enough to be so.

hool: 30th Jan 2006 - 01:03 GMT

to h00l - obviously in this open forum, anyone can use anyone's name.

however, i have admin power here, so i will simply delete anyone attempting to speak on my behalf.

in the words of he-man: "i have the power!"

Fazed: 30th Jan 2006 - 01:07 GMT

Please note 'hool' is different from 'h00l'.

Letters not numbers.

hool: 30th Jan 2006 - 01:40 GMT

fazed: i don't make that distinction.

clearly from the content of the comment, the poster was trying to impersonate me.

Robbiee: 30th Jan 2006 - 01:54 GMT

Fuck that stupid hippy lesbo cunt. It's should be none of her business if he wants to litter. She is not the police. So if she wan't to act like a hippy cunt and thought cause she was a girl she was going to get away with throwing the garbage back into his car. SURPRISE! I am so glad he fired back at her, she initiated it. I wish he would of just got out and clocked here. He did nothing to her and once she started the shit she deserved everthing that happen to her and more. You can tell by her fucking lesbo camouflage half pants she is just one of those lesbo cuntty cunts.

Brian: 30th Jan 2006 - 01:56 GMT

Leah, you're awesome. Don't let these idiots posting pictures get you down. They're little better than the idiot that assaulted you.

steve.m: 30th Jan 2006 - 02:02 GMT

oh and Leah imo you should have pressed charges. If this guy is crazy enough to go apeshit for litter/scratch imagine what he will do with the baseball bat to someone else.

jane: 30th Jan 2006 - 02:04 GMT

anyone else think that Robbiee's mom didnt hug him enough?

twowheeledknife: 30th Jan 2006 - 02:43 GMT

I think he prolly lives in his moms basement...27 yrs old ...never had a girlfriend..very angry

not-h00l: 30th Jan 2006 - 02:59 GMT

hool: I think you should back up this story with some license plate numbers or something.
I simply don't believe it happened. I think it's a stunt to boost the site CityNoise and
I see no proof that the incident is anything other than an art school project. On the other
hand all the misogynistic, homophobic, cyclist hating scum posting to this thread are an
eye-opener. While I'm highly skeptical that this is a real incident, I fully support Leah
if it actually is. If it's not then you "hool" and "CityNoise" should be aware that you are
not just having a fun time posting fake photos: you're lying to a lot of people. If Leah
is real and really had the incident she should be pressing charges so that the alleged criminal
is put behind bars before he either hurts someone smaller than himself or is sent to hospital
by someone not as restrained as Leah.

In short, post some proof, do something about it, or else don't post stuff like this. There's
nothing to distinguish your pictures from a lie.

j: 30th Jan 2006 - 03:35 GMT

interesting that many of the folks who disagreed with what Leah did then have to call her a
number of names, threatened to beat her up, display their hatred of cyclists, basically accept
littering as a right but throwing it back in the jerk's car was down right unforgivable and
justified killing her if the time and place were right...the fellow just couldn't pull it off
on this day due to too many witnesses...I'm just amazed at the rage against this woman in so many
comments...when the rage should be directed at this jerk...

Some Guy : 30th Jan 2006 - 03:53 GMT

I wonder how many of you would be saying she was right to stand up to the guy if, instead of getting coffee dumped on her, she was laying dead in a pool of blood?

It's also pretty easy, based on one incident, to come to the conclusion that someone is an asshole. The fact is that none of you have ANY idea what is going on in that man's life. Maybe he lost his job that day or was going to the courthouse to sign divorce papers or something.

What I'm reading in these comments is a lot of self-righteous bloviating based on little more than one person's account and a few pictures.

The way I see it is they both acted stupidly. Nobody is a hero in this story.

hool: 30th Jan 2006 - 04:32 GMT

not-h00l:

as i've said, i don't care if you believe that these photos and the story are authentic. so, if i were to state a license plate number, a six character alphanumeric string, how is that going to offer any proof? do you have an insider at the ministry of transport to whom you would give the plate number, and then cross reference it with your insider at the toronto police? how would you propose to verify this event given any further details?

what exactly is it that you would need to see in the photos to boldly state for all of that you have declared this event to be authentic? it's not a moon landing. it's an angry guy making an angry face. look back through citynoise. i've been posting candid photos, usually unremarkable, sometimes remarkable, events and interactions in the streets, for years.

do you also doubt the dozens of accounts from other people who have posted comments about similar interactions they've had with motorists and cyclists? this is not an uncommon occurence. it is also not uncommon for me to be out walking the streets with a camera; i have logged hundreds upon hundreds of hours wandering toronto with camera. is it so unbelievable then that these two not uncommon events would intersect: me with a camera and a violent altercation between two people in the street ?

you can no more disprove this event than prove it through text, nor through the photographs. if nothing else, learn this: believing is seeing. we see what we want to believe.

Zorpheous: 30th Jan 2006 - 04:46 GMT

The girl on the bike is completely innocent, she was only returning the drivers property that he accidentally dropped. He should thank her for returning his property. Sorry, I don't feel one ounce of pity for the moron. He's lucky she didn't use her U-Bolt lock to crack his ape like skull open. He got what he deserved, his litter back in his car, screw him!

Screwy Stewy: 30th Jan 2006 - 04:58 GMT

You don't have to worry about nut bars like track suit man running to his trunk for a gun - the two billion dollar firearm registry prevents that sort of thing.

Omri: 30th Jan 2006 - 05:02 GMT

I wonder which (or how many) of the commenters who called Leah names are in fact the assailant. I'll also join the chorus in calling for charges to be pressed. A first offense of mischief would mean a fine and I would chip in to pay it.

As for the assailant, how the hell does a creep like this get a pretty girlfriend like that? She could get a new boyfriend by snapping her fingers, for crying out loud.

Stevo9er: 30th Jan 2006 - 05:36 GMT

Everyone here advocating violence is really lame and the OP should close or lock this thread.

Mach: 30th Jan 2006 - 05:42 GMT

Its gritty human drama at its finest. Great photos. Was a digital camera used?

Mr Special: 30th Jan 2006 - 06:24 GMT

Look, both people are obviously warped and neither should be allowed on public roads.

GermanGuy: 30th Jan 2006 - 08:23 GMT

These are great photos. As someone else already said I'd wish to be half as good as this.
As for the things happening in the pictures, no violence is justified against women unless they're trying to kill you.
But I really enjoyed these photos, since they freeze the moment so beautifully. Even without context they would still be awesome. Nice example of good photojournalism.

harmless: 31st Jan 2006 - 09:58 GMT

Why is a there a lot of "violence against women is soooo wrong!" and not a "violence against anyone is soooo wrong!" ... mm?

I'm a guy. I'm big. I don't fight people. Hasn't really come up. If it did, I'd probably be severely injured on account of not knowing the first about what to do. So I'd just as soon the jury (y'all) didn't suddenly decide it was somehow more ok for me to be attacked on account of my being male and tall :P

john lewis grant: 31st Jan 2006 - 13:17 GMT

It appears that she scraped his car by accident, during his outrageous assault on her. I don't see that Leah is could be charged with any offence. BTW, few things can be more enraging than watching PIGS unload their personal garbage onto our streets. Looks like no charges are being laid against him. That's a travesty.

JG

Futon: 31st Jan 2006 - 14:19 GMT

Congrats on making the front page of the Toronto Star hool!

Crappy The Penguin: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:36 GMT

Hate to bring this up, but James Frey apparently witnessed the whole incident and is writing another 'memoir' about it.
He reportedly will 'recall' the events like this:

A violent serial killer in a parked van threw out a limb of his latest victim from his vehicle window.
The bicycle courier then picked up the offending litter and (in a socio-conscious fit of righteous rage) lobbed the torn appendage back into the van, whereupon she scolded the litterbug to keep his filthy (905 area code) habits out of her urban-chic backyard.
Chaos then ensued.

Well, that's James Frey's story anyway---as he remembers it.

And by the way, his latest 'memoir' will be titled. "A Million Litter Pieces" (sorry, Oprah).

Crappy The Penguin: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:36 GMT

Hate to bring this up, but James Frey apparently witnessed the whole incident and is writing another 'memoir' about it.
He reportedly will 'recall' the events like this:

A violent serial killer in a parked van threw out a limb of his latest victim from his vehicle window.
The bicycle courier then picked up the offending litter and (in a socio-conscious fit of righteous rage) lobbed the torn appendage back into the van, whereupon she scolded the litterbug to keep his filthy (905 area code) habits out of her urban-chic backyard.
Chaos then ensued.

Well, that's James Frey's story anyway---as he remembers it.

And by the way, his latest 'memoir' will be titled, "A Million Litter Pieces" (sorry, Oprah).

Crappy The Penguin: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:36 GMT

Hate to bring this up, but James Frey apparently witnessed the whole incident and is writing another 'memoir' about it.
He reportedly will 'recall' the events like this:

A violent serial killer in a parked van threw out a limb of his latest victim from his vehicle window.
The bicycle courier then picked up the offending litter and (in a socio-conscious fit of righteous rage) lobbed the torn appendage back into the van, whereupon she scolded the litterbug to keep his filthy (905 area code) habits out of her urban-chic backyard.
Chaos then ensued.

Well, that's James Frey's story anyway---as he remembers it.

And by the way, his latest 'memoir' will be titled, "A Million Litter Pieces" (sorry, Oprah).

schatbot mission: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:44 GMT

Yeah, this situation is pretty hairy. Demonstrates a lot of whats underneath the skin on Toronto's roadways. Definatly both car driver and biker are at fault on this one. The bike stomp is inexcusable, and is one step past even, despite the fact this whole affair shouldn't have started. You shouldn't litter ever, and if you're in a car you dont need to chuck things out the window. just dangerous.
Someone should look into better ways to get bikers and drivers where they're headed without this garbage. Good work for the biker on standing up to the guy.
Also, I agree with jl grant. Just cause you're a guy doesn't mean getting assulted is good.

Earl: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:46 GMT

I think its great that more people arre biking and not using cars and advocating changing our cities to be more bike friendly. i also think it great that this biker took fronted someone on rude public behavior. Unfortunately many cyclists have adopted a holier than thou smorally superior attitude that they think excuses them from doing any wrong and that makes car drivers automatically wrong. this atiude and behavior includes flagrant disregard of the rules of the road and the rights of motorists , riding outside of bike lanes , wearing dark clothing at night and being almost invisible to motorists and then acting like the rest of us should have a sixth sense about where they are. Many cyclist should learn to be a lot less arrogant and egotistical. I know this will probably get a lot of angry defensive responses but those who respond like that should look to themselves first. Keep the cycles - lose the attitude

Earl/ Chicago

ellar: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:47 GMT

I would like to commend all the passersby who stepped in during this most unfortunate altercation. There are many people in this world who wouldn't want to get involved and these good-hearted people may have stopped this incident from turning into something truly devastating. I don't think the bystanders who acted quickly have been mentioned enough in this thread.

There have been many times when I've wanted to honk the horn or say something to people who chuck things out their windows, especially cigarettes, but I have thought twice about it because I know what kind of rage exists in people and I really don't want to be beaten up or even verbally assaulted.

I believe that both people are at fault - both people acted out of anger, though clearly the litterer was the one who took it too far. Just look at that seething rage that was just waiting to surface - you can never know what lies beneath. We need to all think about how we approach situations because, in the end, nothing was really accomplished by this. It's just a shame.

Leah, I'm glad you made it out of this in one piece and, for the record, I do understand your anger at people littering in your neighbourhood.

bystander: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:52 GMT

i was there that day that it happened, but i was too afraid to help the lady so my cousin and i ran away. i did see his as he ran passed me and grabbed her tire, but i didn't really see what happened next, i only heard a few comments here and there.

matt : 31st Jan 2006 - 18:55 GMT

the girl is retarted, who would throw food at someone and then key his car. She clearly deserves what happened to her so that she will think twice before doing something so unthoughtful the next time. Toronto is the dirtiest city in Canada im sure she can think of better ways to clean it up then picking up trash and throwing it at someone.

pdfuser: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:57 GMT

I think it's interesting that street crime, or confrontation is still news in Canada.

pdfuser: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:57 GMT

I think it's interesting that street crime, or confrontation is still news in Canada.

NoahBody: 31st Jan 2006 - 18:58 GMT

Cucky, you fucking retard. Smoke your own pole, you graceless piece of shit.

Ozner: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:10 GMT

Leah, you should've gone ahead with the charges. You ACCIDENTALLY scratching his car is not even close to being a criminal offence, especially if it was in the context of him grabbing you by the helmet and trying to toss you around a bit.

JRM: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:12 GMT

I myself have wanted to kill a few bike couriers in my day as the majority of them feel they own the road because they schlep it out on them everyday which gives them the power of entitlement. The sad thing is the times that I have had a road rage with a bike courier they are sadly in the wrong. In this situation I support the Bike courier because finally someone is taking a direct stand against ASSHOLES in our city littering! Kudos to the courier, thank you on behalf of all citizens who respect the earth and it cleanliness. However,Two wrongs don't make a right. and if you are going to the extent of throwing garbage back at someones car or in someones car for that matter you have to be ready for a fight and that is what she got. As far as the motorist he should be charged with assault, littering, damage to personal property and should be charged accordingly. Final word for the motorist....you need to get laid buddy...sell your car and take the money and get into some therapy before you kill somebody. besides, the exposure on this story is unreal and you are gonna pay for this in more ways then one for some time to come. Good Luck asshole!

mc: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:13 GMT

Good for her. The guy is an ass for littering. Toronto is filthy, and it's assholes like this guy who make it worse. What he should have said is: "I'm sorry, you're right, I should throw this in the garbage instead of out my window. Thank you for giving it back to me." And drove away. Instead he throws coffee at her and trys to smash her bike. What a loser.

amanda: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:13 GMT

Some people think that couriers are a bunch of losers that can’t find a real job, use the roads without paying anything for the privilege and smoke dope to keep from thinking about how much of a useless failure they are.

Huge Euge: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:18 GMT

To all the "men" out there. This is a fine example of the new species of "young male idiot". The cyclist had no right to throw the garbage back in his vehicle. Obviously, two wrongs don't make a right! To call his unbelievable rage an overreaction would be and understatement. I could only wish, that it was a tough male cyclist who would have kicked his butt.

Attacking anybody over this incident, much less a woman is ridiculous. Get a grip! Strong people, strong men control their emotions, their emotions do not control them. That is strength personified. Pathetic weaklings, resort to this motorists behaviour.

If I were his grandmother, mother, sister, wife, girlfriend or perhaps his pathetic boyfriend, I would be tempted to kick his butt to the curb, where he belongs.

Calling all men! Check yourself, before you wreck yourself. Control those outbursts of anger and violent behaviour, especially towards women. Then maybe, just maybe we can begin to call ourselves the most intelligent species on earth.

No_Seriously: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:18 GMT

It's too bad that people just don't investigate real information rather than just assuming lots of crap that is based on speculation.
The blond in the picture is his Fiancé. What happened is that they went to the little deli in that area (sorry, I forget its name). The bought stuff. What she states actually happened is that both her and her fiancé had bags of deli items. With their hands full, apparently, one of the bags fell to the ground. They simply didn't notice it. I've done that myself. Like she stated on a CFRB interview, they wouldn't knowingly throw away good food that they just bought!

As they drove away, this idiot courier on her bike saw the bag there and (wait for it) ASS-U-ME ed that they threw it out and she started the who bullshit by opening the door of the car and throwing the bag in at them both.

The driver got pissed and was attempting to hold her there until the police arrived. After all, under the Rules, she committed an assault.

Once the police arrive and discovered what we going on, they ran the usual checks on both parties. As it turns out, this lovely "lady" courier HAS A HISTORY OF DOING THIS VERY THING!!!! and has been to court over this.

Psychotic? You be the judge! LOL :)

I'll be honest. When I first heard what had happened, without knowing the "other side of the story", I too sided with the cyclist.

But once I found out that the dropped bag was not intentional AND that she has a history with police for this very action, I realized that I too jumped too quickly to the wrong conclusion.

Cheers to all! :)

TOR: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:19 GMT

She is returning him a favour. He should be glad he got his stinking filth back. The whole point of key-scratch art on his car showed him how things such as dumping trash will do to the earth. Damages. He may see it on his car but he can't even see what it really do to the earth. (Besides it was an accident) Its ironic too. Filth like him littering on Toronto ground. An overeacting hoodlum such as him didn't even take the time to figure out the person he has his hands on was a female. For the guy physically abusing this female, get this straight, not just male can bike but also female too. Secondly, female can get pissed off in male and engage in a fist fight too. Scars will be the result but standing up for oneself is much fullfilling.

litterbugs suck: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:25 GMT

A lot of people are talking about her scratching his car. 1) This guy is a total jerk who deserved having his food thrown back at him. I say "Rock on Leah".
2) from the story in the star - "She says her bike lock key, worn on a bracelet around her wrist, scratched his car — she says unintentionally."
Besides, what kind of asshole throw's food on the street...in Kennsington. C'mon. It may not seem like the cleanest area in the city, but hey we don't really need to make it worse.
The only beneficial part of this, is now we have our posterboy for Earth Day advertisements. I see it now...an SUV with garbage being thrown out the window.

TOERONTO MALE: LOL.... HIT HER IN THE FACE!!!!!!

Omri: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:29 GMT

To No_seriously: yeah, right. You expect to be believed? If that was true, why did the guy threaten the photographer? Why did he go after the girl and not the bike? (If he had just held the bike, Leah would have to choose between abandoning the bike and talking to the police.) Why did he flee the police?

TOERONTO MALE: LOL.... HIT HER IN THE FACE!!!!!!

olgc gr 7 class: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:34 GMT

we agree with the girl but she should have just put the litter in the garbage.she invaded his privacy.the man needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.ju

olgc gr 7 class: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:34 GMT

we agree with the girl but she should have just put the litter in the garbage.she invaded his privacy.the man needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.ju

OLGC KIDZ: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:35 GMT

hey that is not cool that guy should keep his little to himself!! he he he...

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:35 GMT

both of them were a bit silly..the guy a total asshole though..probably beats his wife no doubt..too mnay AssClowns think having a car makes them `king`..(or `queen`` as the case may be..)

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:36 GMT

both of them were a bit silly..the guy a total asshole though..probably beats his wife no doubt..too mnay AssClowns think having a car makes them `king`..(or `queen`` as the case may be..)

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:37 GMT

both of them were a bit silly..the guy a total asshole though..probably beats his wife no doubt..too mnay AssClowns think having a car makes them `king`..(or `queen`` as the case may be..)

the guy in the pic: i would have killed her dead

CC: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:38 GMT

I'm sick of people thinking the world is theirs to disrespect and destroy.Thay guy's an ass!Nature gives back what you give her. He littered she gave it right back in the form of a woman. What makes him think it's ok to litter without any repercussion. As far as I'm concerned he should have gotten a lot more than a chance to beat on someone half his size. Loser. Period.

Jay: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:39 GMT

Hey, i think there could be some truth in what no-seriously saying, based on the photos, everyone will side with the cyclist, but i am sure, anyone will get angry, if some one throws the un-intentionally dropped food, instead of just pointing them at the food. She is not the only one, who is concerned about her neighbourhood.

bagofnuts: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:40 GMT

Hey, i think there could be some truth in what no-seriously saying, based on the photos, everyone will side with the cyclist, but i am sure, anyone will get angry, if some one throws the un-intentionally dropped food, instead of just pointing them at the food. She is not the only one, who is concerned about her neighbourhood.

the guy in the pic: messing with my car and shit

Dotcommie: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:42 GMT

No_seriously: Assuming everything you said is true (which is doubtful, but let's assume it's all true) this guy is still a violent nutbag as is evidenced by his response. There are other ways to respond than going berserk and chasing people with baseball bats. His fiancee would have to be insane to going forward with marrying this guy. He has very obvious emotional problems that will definitely result in violent episodes in the future. Run away, cute blonde girl! RUN AWAY!

Ildiko - Toronto: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:42 GMT

The motorist was obviously embarrassed for getting caught littering - what an idiot he it. He should litter and mess up his own car not more litter on the streets - speaking of litter - he also behaaved like trash!!! PArt of me wishes that she would have hoofed him right where it counts - asshole!!!!

Ildiko - Toronto: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:42 GMT

The motorist was obviously embarrassed for getting caught littering - what an idiot he it. He should litter and mess up his own car not more litter on the streets - speaking of litter - he also behaaved like trash!!! Part of me wishes that she would have hoofed him right where it counts - asshole!!!!

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:43 GMT

guy looks like a russian/eastern euroepan assclown, they like to beat women & kill ppl. at random , e.g. see yugoslavia, serbs..

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:43 GMT

guy looks like a russian/eastern european assclown, they like to beat women & kill ppl. at random , e.g. see yugoslavia, serbs..

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:43 GMT

guy looks like a russian/eastern european assclown, they like to beat women & kill ppl. at random , e.g. see yugoslavia, serbs..

Andrew: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:43 GMT

I think Leah (the cyclist) should be commended for standing up to this jerk. If more people followed her lead these self-centered morons might think twice before they treat our public spaces as their personal trash cans. I'm glad she wasn't seriously injured, but I'm sure this experience is still very traumatic for Leah. It looked like that jerk stomped her bike pretty good. If it was really damaged I would like to see a fund set up so we can raise some money to fix her bike or buy her a new one. Let's show her that her actions didn't go unnoticed by the "good" people of Toronto who would never through garbage out their windows and become so belligerent, abusive and violent, no matter how bad a day they were having.

Ash: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:44 GMT

Food on the street: biodegradable. Food on the street in a paper bag: messy litter. Food on the car seat: messy. Food in a paper bag on the car seat: chill out man! Leah was saving mean-dude's butt from mother-nature's wrath in the future. Leah was also saving him from getting charged with littering. Mean-dude should thank Leah for her wisdom. Fixing the scartch on the car would be cheaper than paying a littering fine. Throwing out your mess and not pissing off GOOD citzens is less costly than spending time in jail for assault.
Mean-dude, you're lucky for getting away with what you did, I hope you've thought about what you've done. You're such a hypocrite mean-dude, you can throw your garbage at nature, but when nature (in this case, Leah) throws it back at you, you get pissed off. Ugh!

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:44 GMT

guy looks like a russian/eastern european assclown, they like to beat women & kill ppl. at random , e.g. see yugoslavia, serbs..

Kevin G: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:45 GMT

guy looks like a russian/eastern european assclown, they like to beat women & kill ppl. at random , e.g. see yugoslavia, serbs..

Simon: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:46 GMT

Leah, you did what I think alot of us would love to do. It drives me nuts seeing people throwing their garbage out the window. They might as well walk into my house and dump their shit in my living room. Thank you. Its pretty funny that his ugly mug is on the front cover of the Star. It should have read "Caution this individual personally contributes to the degradation and pollution of Toronto" As punishment he should be made to pick up the garbage that is thrown by inconsiderate drivers and pedestrians on our streets.
P.S He should also be made to pay for the repairs to your bike (means of income)

stud: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:46 GMT

guy looks like a russian/eastern european assclown, they like to beat women & kill ppl. at random , e.g. see yugoslavia, serbs..

Blah: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:46 GMT

thESE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!
HE COMMITED A CITATION MUNICPAL OFFENCE BY LITERING (GUILTY)
sHE COMMITED FELONY ASSAULT BY KNOWING THROWING GARBAGE AT HIM (GUILTY)
he COMMITED FELONY ASSAULT BY KNOWING THROWING COFFEE AT HER (GUILTY)
SHE COMMITED TO DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY CAR KEYING (GUILTY)
hE COMMITTED TO DESTROY PERSONAL PROPERTY (GUILTY)
shE HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT HER PROPERTY WITH FORCE (INNOCENT)
HE HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT HIMSELF & HIS PROPERTY(INNOCENT)
COPS ARREST NO - ONE AND LET BOTH GO - B/C THERE ARE BOTH CRAZY... BOTH SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT TO THE DEATH AND THEN SOME... NOT TRYING TO BE RIGHEOUS... OR RIGHT... STILL MAKES NO CASE TO HIT A WOMEN!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR NOT KILLING ME..... COME AGAIN

Johnny: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:47 GMT

All of you ... got it all wrong. Leah is the guys girlfriend, shes pregnant and wants to give it up cause he has aids. They were fighting over two blocks ago when she finally told him she was going to keep it and call the baby Clarence. He freaked out because the ultra sound showed that the baby had 3 arms and they could make some money showing it at the circus. Thats when the photographer showed up. He was going to shoot some up shirt photos at the market when he thought he would make more money being a police witness....WELL I think thats what happened..WHY DONT WE ALL WAIT for the official police news statement tomorrow?????

Simon: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:49 GMT

Leah, you did what I think alot of us would love to do. It drives me nuts seeing people throwing their garbage out the window. They might as well walk into my house and dump their shit in my living room. Thank you. Its pretty funny that his ugly mug is on the front cover of the Star. It should have read "Caution this individual personally contributes to the degradation and pollution of Toronto" As punishment he should be made to pick up the garbage that is thrown by inconsiderate drivers and pedestrians on our streets.
P.S He should also be made to pay for the repairs to your bike (means of income)

Simon: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:49 GMT

Leah, you did what I think alot of us would love to do. It drives me nuts seeing people throwing their garbage out the window. They might as well walk into my house and dump their shit in my living room. Thank you. Its pretty funny that his ugly mug is on the front cover of the Star. It should have read "Caution this individual personally contributes to the degradation and pollution of Toronto" As punishment he should be made to pick up the garbage that is thrown by inconsiderate drivers and pedestrians on our streets.
P.S He should also be made to pay for the repairs to your bike (means of income)

jd: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:50 GMT

I love this for so many reason's. The guy is driving a minivan, no? Good parent! I wish I could see if he had a wedding ring on, his wife must be so proud. At one point the courier actually has him going backwards up against his van. What a wanker.

JD

No_Seriously: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:51 GMT

It's no wonder that this city is in such bad shape when it comes to violence!
Some of you people would rather think the negative instead of using some COMMON SENSE!

What? you've NEVER IN YOUR LIFE accidentally dropped something? Please be serious!

No, some of you would rather act like fools, believe someone with a history of this same behavior rather than giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.

I sure hope that no one tries to open my door in downtown Toronto! There would be a huge penalty to pay!

Doesn't anyone realize just how STUPID her actions were? What if, instead of this guy, it was one of those punks with guns? DID YA THINK OF THAT?

She's lucky that she didn't get killed!

Remember, SHE'S DONE THIS BEFORE!

Just because she's a woman, gives her no right to open someone's car.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the guy did just throw something out his window. Why couldn't she just fling it back at the car's windshield!???

Nope, she's a nutcase so she foolishly OPENED THE CAR DOOR!

Again, she's lucky that she didn't get shot! (for now).

Evil Doers: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:51 GMT

That motorist should pick on someone his own size, of course he is probably too much of a pussy to attack a full sized man. Chickenshit! Stop littering my neighborhood.

No_Seriously: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:55 GMT

I sure hope that some of you are never called to Jury Duty! Ya don't pay attention! THAT BLOND IS HIS FIANCE!!! What part of that are you incapable of understanding? SHEEEEESH!

Must be a bunch of 15 y/o on this site! typical

handsome devil: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:55 GMT

they're both sinners...

if we live by the rule "an eye for an eye", then we all go blind

t: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:56 GMT

What an absolute prick. People like that a-hole not only contribute nothing to the city, but take away from it by littering as though its their god given right. While there may have been more neutral ways of dealing with this, apathy and inaction only help things stay the SAME.

TB: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:58 GMT

This guy is an asshole - plain and simple. It starts with him throwing garbage out his car - there is no excuse for that whatsoever. Assuming the scratching of his car was accidental as she says - then he just goes from bad to worse.

Dotcommie: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:01 GMT

No_seriously: You seriously come off as an idiot for defending this man. Running around in the streets punching women and chasing a bystander with a baseball bat! That cannot be explained away by the bike messenger's actions. This guy is a violent nutjob. Plain and simple. No more. No less. Nutjob. Period.

Simon: Sorry for the repeats, @#*%$! computer

Kelly : 31st Jan 2006 - 20:04 GMT

I think these photo's are a discrace to mankind.
Sad part is, what would have happened if no1 stopped it????????

anon (68.249.162.37): 31st Jan 2006 - 20:11 GMT

all that red and black is making my eyes bleed.

Julia: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:11 GMT

I wonder what would have happened if the cyclist was a 6 foot 220 lb man?

Please litterers and spitters...treat Nature, our City, and our fellow Human Beings with respect.

In our fast past world, many of us live in a bubble of narcissism...oblivious to our own actions and the effect it has on those around us. Yes, there are other people around us who share the same space...what a concept eh!

mar: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:14 GMT

does anyone know what really happened here?
Before I post comments or pass judgement I'd kinda like to know the truth

anon (nat-soc-241-254.tdbank.ca): 31st Jan 2006 - 20:14 GMT

Dotcommie (good name).

YOU are exactly the type of fool I'm talking about.

To support your point, you make up shit! There was NO MENTION of any BAT anywhere NOR of anyone being chased by one!

For you information, the cops where there within minutes and interviewed people, including the phsyco cycle-bitch (REMEMBER, WHO HAS DONE THIS BEFORE) and the guy.

But please, if you seriously don't have the intelligence to use common sense or understand that sometimes, what appears to have had happened, actually didn't, then at least argue based on facts, not making stupidity up.

What's next you commie? You going to say that he had WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? ROFL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Dude or dudette, you be lame to the max! sheesh!

JAAN: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:15 GMT

What Aliens from another Planet things about life in Toronto, just a bunch
of fucking fruit loops running around
That we with you to P-X

John: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:17 GMT

This dumb asshole is going to have his scowling picture posted across Canada. He is soon to be the poster boy for morons.

kerry: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:21 GMT

I love how somone on this thread said that they don't consider throwing small bits of food on the ground to be littering because the bugs and birds will get it. Thats still freaking littering you dork! Geez! ...clearly not from around here (toronto), we don't like littering here.

JAAN: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:22 GMT

What Aliens from another Planet think about life in Toronto, just a bunch
of fucking fruit loops running around
Take me with you to P-X

robin: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:30 GMT

I spend my working hours immersed in legal minutiae, so I know whereof I speak; Leah cannot choose to press charges. Driver cannot choose to press charges. The only individual that has the authority to charge a person with a CCC criminal act is a peace officer. Or, a public member may apply to bring a charge before a JP if they fear for their safety. Since this incident seems random and fairly anonymous, I think Leah would have a very difficult time convincing a JP that she had reason to fear for her safety and was seeking for relief from the Court.

The hurdle for proving assault; the 'victim' must be in fear for their safety or of bodily harm. You raise your hand to someone; if they flinch in anticipation of you hitting them, that, fundamentally, is assault. Is tossing garbage through an open car door assault? Sure, if the driver thought it might hurt him. A real toughie to prove, however, and no Crown Attorney worth their pay grade will prosecute it.

The coffee-throwing; a no-brainer. The wheel-stomping a swish Mischief To Property, especially with hool's pics. If the scratch on the car was accidental or occurred during the scuffle or on the act of trying to extricate yourself from the scuffle, once again, a real toughie to prove.

In the courtroom, she'd definitely come out on top. But you gotta convince the cops to play ball. And, apparently, they didn't think it was worth the paperwork.

A day in the life.

Though, at the end of that day, I think fella needs some anger management counselling. He's got impulse issues, huge.

No Seriously you must be the guy!: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:41 GMT

Wow this guy screwed up. If he was right or wrong it doesn't matter anymore there is going to be some major backlash to his out right loss of control.

If she has done this before; so what people shouldn't litter. Litter is a problem and well I hope that everyone just takes it a little more careful because other people are watching you don't be a jerk. If you drop something go back for it, be polite, be Canadian. I don't believe that it was an accident. The guy would not have tried to break her bike and chase the photographer with a bat. I think he would have been more typically surprised and embarrassed. If he wasn't then he is now. That guy should have considered himself lucky he didn't get blasted by some big angry dude. Because what he did is dangerous in that area there are bigger tree huggers than her who care alot more than she does. He's lucky it was Leah who didn't want to do anymore than harm his ego.

WHICH SHE DID!!! VERY WELL!!!

I've seen this guy's ugly face on alot of sites already today. I hope he moves away from Toronto. He might be a really nice guy but he's become a symbol for everything ugly and wrong with Toronto.

DK

Keep it clean: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:42 GMT

Way to Go Leah
If more people did what you did the streets would be much cleaner.
Look how many assholes toss Timmies cups out the window at off ramp lights.
That guy's a coward either way you look at it.

Hugg A. Tree: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:45 GMT

Well seeing that this is Toronto, maybe we should call in the army to patrol the streets of Kensington Market! The Litter Platoon is now on its way! Stay calm everybody, we're coming!!!!!!!!

Hugg A. Tree: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:47 GMT

Well seeing that this is Toronto, maybe we should call in the army to patrol the streets of Kensington Market! The Litter Platoon is now on its way! Stay calm everybody, we're coming!!!!!!!!

Rob: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:52 GMT

I think this guy's a dickhead. He should get some jail time for this - littering and then taking shots at a girl - way to go loser... As for her - yes we have to defend our selves and our space but in this day and age, we have to draw the line at vigilantism - you never know how things may turn out, the authorities need to get involved - she should have just taken down his license plate number and reported him. I'm glad she wasn't hurt.

Psychobabble: 31st Jan 2006 - 20:58 GMT

I'm teaching a class on Environmental Psychology right now. And this sequence of events is a perfect illustration of domain generalizability. There is a debate in the enviro psych literature over whether behaving in a pro- or anti-enviro way in one domain (e.g. not littering vs littering) is related to whether you consistently make pro- or anti-enviro choices. Let's look at the angry guy: Drives an SUV, litters, responds super-aggressively to someone objecting to his litter, responds even more aggressively to *COSMETIC* damage to his gas-guzzling, emission-spewing vanity vehicle. As for the courier - on the surface of things it is easy to link cycling and anti-litter activism as consistent pro-enviro behaviours.

Tom: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:02 GMT

I did a similar thing a few years back. At a red light the car in front of mine threw out a bunch of fast food litter. I snapped, got out of the car (yelling a few profanties) and stuck the garbage in the windshield wipers. The young girls in the car were terrified as I had lost it. I thought the younger generation is more aware of the environment than us old folks. Anyhow, they drove off thinking I was a lunatic ( not far from the truth). Maybe they don't litter anymore.

observer: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:05 GMT

I am disappointed in our gutless boys in blue for not laying charges against Mr. Goliath who fights girls half his size. Never mind who hit who first.

Now where are our Bay Street lawyers to take on this case of David(a) versus Goliath. Come on Clayton Ruby, Morris Manning, Ed and Brian Greenspan, and others. Take this case and get Leah a new bike to replace the one that was damaged by Mr. Goliath. With this many hits on the website, you’ll be world famous in no time. Who knows it may even be turned into a movie. You should sue Mr. Goliath for:
1 damages to Leah’s bike,
2 Mr. Goliath to fight in the next WWF event so that we can all watch him and enjoy his fighting skills,
3 Mr. Goliath to take anger management training which should be televised so that we can all vote when he is ready to be released into our society.

Come on you Bay Street boys and girls, stand up and be counted when we need you. If you want do it for free, maybe we can chip in to Leah’s defense fund. Way to go Leah.

Hugg A. Tree: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:07 GMT

Well seeing that this is Toronto, maybe we should call in the army to patrol the streets of Kensington Market! The Litter Platoon is now on its way! Stay calm everybody, we're coming!!!!!!!!

marathon runner: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:13 GMT

Put right on the guy to do some social work as a penalty for his behavior.
1. Wash a 100 bikes at snowy day (make it a blizzard if you like)
2. Security work for a week in a bike park for kids
3. 100 hours in the streets collecting garbage from motorists throwing their shit out of the windows
4. LAST PUNISHMENT
30 days going to his work only by bike (make it without a saddle if you like!)

Leah you're a little hero. Thanks for beeing out there

Mike Phelan: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:18 GMT

let's all agree on one thing here: Real men do not attack women.

Bigtimer: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:21 GMT

One thing's for sure, you never know how somethings going to turn out. Toronto is changing. Violence is becoming increasingly a way of life on our streets. Leah, it seemed like you knew this guy might have been a bit of a hothead, but I'm sure you NEVER expected that kind of reaction. I applaude you for standing up for you belief's but the consequences of acting out against another are unpredictable. I'm sure your time on a bike in downtown T.O. has hardened you. Likely this was the dénouement of a long time of quite observation and disgust at not only litters but earrand, ignorant toronto drivers (of which I am one lol) I'm sure this guy's attitude pushed you over the edge and you reacted without really thinking it through. I know I've done it, but then I remember that every action has a reaction, and sometimes that reaction is not what you expect. We shouldn't forget that not a month ago a young girl was shot doing nothing but walking down the street. The anger in this person eyes clearly indicates that he was capable of much greater violence, yet circumstances luckly restrained him. Not only could you have been charged but you could have been hurt. Although I disagree wholehartedly with his reaction, it happened. I'm glad you got out of the situation ok, I'm glad it was documented, and karma is a motherfucker so leave it at that :) If I see you on the street, I'll buy you a timmies, not throw one at you so I'll keep my eye out ;-) Just please let karma do it's job and stay safe :)

Psychobabble: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:23 GMT

I'm teaching a class on Environmental Psychology right now. And this sequence of events is a perfect illustration of domain generalizability. There is a debate in the enviro psych literature over whether behaving in a pro- or anti-enviro way in one domain (e.g. not littering vs littering) is related to whether you consistently make pro- or anti-enviro choices. Let's look at the angry guy: Drives an SUV, litters, responds super-aggressively to someone objecting to his litter, responds even more aggressively to *COSMETIC* damage to his gas-guzzling, emission-spewing vanity vehicle. As for the courier - on the surface of things it is easy to link cycling and anti-litter activism as consistent pro-enviro behaviours. As for her keying the car -- that just gets into the realm of the much-talked about escalation in the heat of the moment. As unfortunate as this incident was it illustrates the cluster of attitudes and behaviours that are associated with thoughtless behaviour re: the environment. The question is how do we go about making people like "angry guy" care and make the connection between their actions and the micro and macro effects.

Dotcommie: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:32 GMT

Anon: I "be lame to the max?" I "make up shit?"

Huh?

You MUST be the crazy violent guy in the pics. No one else can have that biased of a view of this situation. I'm completely unbiased, and I see a misguided but well-intentioned bike messenger and a whacked-out motorist.

And for your information, Hool (the photographer) wrote that Crazy Violent Guy took a bat out of his trunk and chased him.

Who is "lame to the max" now? And anyway who says "to the max" any more?

And for your information, the term "dotcommie" is slang that refers to someone who works in a web-related job, not someone who is a communist. I'm actually quite the capitalist.

I said it before and I'll say it again. The actions of the bike messenger, however wrong or misguided, don't excuse the berserk violent behavior of Crazy Violent Guy.

And I'll repeat this. The lovely young woman in the pic's who is supposedly the fiancee of Crazy Violent Guy: Run away. RUN AWAY. This guy WILL hurt you some day.

Neighbor: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:38 GMT

I would be interested to know where the two individuals reside. Having lived in the market for many years - virtually every scrap of road in that neighborhood is somebody’s front yard. If she lives in the ‘hood, then I can understand her getting righteously upset over someone throwing garbage on the street. Not to say that being upset over littering in general isn’t justified -- but it’s more of an indignation when it’s right on your turf. I suspect if somebody threw their chicken bucket in the driver’s front yard, he’d probably take great offense. Furthermore if the comments about the baseball bat are true, this guy would be in for an extremely difficult time with the courts because he was carrying a weapon and was prepared to commit aggravated assault. I agree with the suggestion that some civic-minded lawyer should step up and make this guy accountable.

OHBOY: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:44 GMT

///I did a similar thing a few years back. At a red light the car in front of mine threw out a bunch of fast food litter. I snapped, got out of the car (yelling a few profanties) and stuck the garbage in the windshield wipers. The young girls in the car were terrified as I had lost it. I thought the younger generation is more aware of the environment than us old folks. Anyhow, they drove off thinking I was a lunatic ( not far from the truth). Maybe they don't litter anymore.///

this is just tells me that the parents here at fault, teach the kids to behave, not to litter and don’t afraid to slap them sometimes, it does work. New generation is completely out of hand because the parents are afraid to discipline their kids.

poor toronto, poor canadians

Rich (Toronto): 31st Jan 2006 - 21:46 GMT

So the garbage was Ok for the street, but no good for his car.

The bike courier seems (appropriately) self righteous, but the guy is clear an ASS with anger management problems.

Bob Findlay: 31st Jan 2006 - 21:53 GMT

Good for the courier. But pretty risky. I read the other day that 1 in 25 of the population is a sociopath to some degree. I'd say the courier may have met one. Any more likely explanation for his actions throughout this episode ? He is a very good argument for gun control. And come to think of it, birth control.

ex uml 214: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:04 GMT

I messengered for 11 years on those streets and could see the city changing 11 years ago....people have no respect any more for the city or each other....I'm so glad I made the move to PEI 8 years ago.....2 wrongs have never made a right
Peace

Jonnay: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:07 GMT

I wouldn't like to be the driver's wife! Who knows what she has to go through!

M.L.N.: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:13 GMT

I witnessed this this incident as well. The Blonde woman (the passenger in the Precious Accura) was screaming "It's an expensive car!"

Raegoul: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:20 GMT

i wish i was the photographer... not cuz of the awesome shots he got, but i woulda loved the chance to knock out this dudes teeth with my 1DMarkII when he came after me.

KS: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:22 GMT

Let's all go over to the guy's house, and dump our garbage onto his front lawn. Maybe that'll move him to commit suicide. Toronto could use one less jerk.

I heart Kensington: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:23 GMT

People have to get thier facts straight.
he was driving a 4 cylinder car NOT an SUV.
He's as Canadian as Don Cherry NOT an eastern european immigrant.

She started the whole thing by overreacting and throwing food on him, which he responded in kind by dumping coffee on her, then she took it to the next level by keying his car, he reacted approprietly by trying to damage her bike.

Ali: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:24 GMT

The fucking litterbug, bully, goof scumbag should be charged with assault to say the least. cops really dropped the ball on that one. I wonder if he is some big shot's relative. He needs to take an anger management course.

Kid Kabbalah: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:25 GMT

Too much Red Bull.
Dude needs to relax, or get laid, or both.

The "Motorists": 31st Jan 2006 - 22:26 GMT

To All The Readers,

This is the blonde girl in the last picture. The girl in the "white vest" that the "victim" would like to thank. You can start by sending me $2000.00 for the damaged on our car. I was in the passengers side and witnessed the whole thing. First of all my fiance did not throw the patty out of the car. We had just brought them and were putting groceries in the car when it must have fallen. Why would we through something away that we just purchased? Instead of behaving like a lady and a mother why wouldn't you knock on the car window to tell us we dropped something instead she opened the driver side door and throw the patty at our heads. My fiance opened the door to grab her not know she was female and she than jumped on the side of the car with her keys in her hand saying "I'm going to f***ing key your car". She did about 3-4 times. She also spit all over the car as well. (Nice Lady)We parked the car to see the damaged and my fiance went to get her information to pay for the damage and she tried to take off. That is why he grabbed her bike. His hand got caught in her tire. Other people jumped him because she acting as though she was an innocent cyclist being attacked. If you all want to know she makes a hobby out of doing this. She has done this to a motorist before and was charged and ended up in court. Now you have the real story.
If we were in the wrong the police who saw the damage to our car would have charged us. No one saw what she did. They just thought someone was attacking a woman. If anyone knows where I can get a hold of her I would like her to pay for the damages.

Kid Kabbalah: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:26 GMT

Too much Red Bull.
Dude needs to relax, or get laid, or both.

wanna see the pics: Hey were are the pics??

Steve in Vancouver: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:30 GMT

Almost an identical incident happened here in Vancouver to a close friend of mine. Let me tell you that one turned out as it seems so relevant (sorry, no photos).

My friend, and his girlfriend, were walking down Granville street (a very busy street for those who are unfamiliar with Vancouver) when a slice of pizza came flying out of a truck window and landed on him. My friend, reacting to feeling attacked, threw the pizza back at the truck from which it came (the pizza hit the truck, but didn't actually make it through the window). At that point, FOUR large (and drunk) men stepped out of the truck and one of them took his shirt off and charged down my friend and repeatedly kicked him in the face. To put this in perspective, the attacker outweighed my friend by probably 80 pounds. The next day I visited my friend in the hospital and I could no longer recognize his face.

Since that incident, my friend has undergone 4 surgeries and as many court appearances. Two years later, he still can not see properly due to long term damage and is still very traumatized.

Just like with the courrier/driver incident, it's easy to see who is 'MORE at fault' in this incident. The more relevant lesson is that my friend's seemingly 'justifiable' action of throwing the pizza back had nightmarish realworld consequences that he must live with for the rest of his life. 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'.

I just spent two months backpacking through India where littering is a national pastime. BELIEVE ME when I say I empathize with the courrier. And because I believe the courrier to be more reasonable I would say to her, "In case you aren't already aware of this, the world is full of unreasonable people that will beat the shit out of you, or kill you, for doing much less to them then throwing their own trash back at them. If you considered this at the time of the incident and escalated regardless, then you are part of the problem. You see someone littering, let them see you pick up their trash and put in a garbage bin. I have done this and even drunken men have shamed themselves into apologizing to me for their littering."

The fact is that saftey needs generally have a higher priority then social needs. I have been a Kung Fu instructor for many years, I know from experience that when you attack someone, in any way, they will usually 'react' rather than become more reasonable in there actions.

Dear White Vest Girl: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:33 GMT

Get out while you still can. Your life is in danger.

Marcin(Toronto): 31st Jan 2006 - 22:54 GMT

Impose $10,000.00 plus hwy litter fines, like in some southern US states and all lazy bustards will think twice. That's right, it's all about being lazy, they don't think that the world deserves and needs the extra effort from them to keep our streets clean. If you can't think, some one shoud think for you.

Dear Chipotle: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:02 GMT

Re your comment about people "deserving" to be hit if they don't act the way you want. Violence against people is never justified; it is never the way to solve an issue. If you or anyone else doesn't like what someone is doing, hitting them doesn't solve anything. Fighting just perpetrates everything that is wrong about our planet. I hope you figure that out someday.

Dear White Vest Girl: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:04 GMT

"Nice" boyfriend you have there. No matter what the courier did, trying to beat the crap out of her is not the appropriate response. Get out before he kills you someday.

Someone who Thinks Toronto is no better than Detroit.: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:10 GMT

So girl in white vest, the pictures show a totally out of control act from your boyfriend. How exactly does one get his hand stuck in a wheel? His left hand is holding her seat and his right is pulling back on the wheel. What about the coffee that was thrown at her? Did it happen? She says the scratch happened when you BF grappled with her, by pulling her around by her helmet, was that accidental? And grabbing the baseball bat to chase the photog, was that accidental? Sure is a lot of pictures showing him pushing her around, when did he as for her info? BTW, what generation thinks that hitting a female is ok?

Philomath: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:14 GMT

The courier person is at fault!

Why - A person should avoid confrontation at all times! If she was so offended, she should have taken down the license plat number and reported it to the authorities.

Why - Any job that you do, you are asked not to confront thieves, holligans etc, because they could harm you.

She could have asked him to pick it up, instead she provoked him to fight back.

Dear White Vest Girl: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:15 GMT

Take you rock to the pawn shop, sell it, take the cash and get away from your psycho fiance before he beats you to death (or your future children) in a fit of rage.

Your story doesn't hold water. Go back to the the Patty In Question. Who the fuck just drops a patty (single serving now?) on the ground - cooked, frozen or otherwise? If she threw it back in did it strike someone in the face or otherwise hurt them? Why would he grab her? Do you think she had intent to inflict Pain via Patty?

Regardless, your beau is not only a psycho, but he's a total pussy. Heck, the courier seemed to fend him off fine with an assist from an even tinier woman. Stupid bully wanker. You're just lucky somebody didn't step up and savagely beat him right on the spot.

Peter (Philly): 31st Jan 2006 - 23:16 GMT

What else can you expect in 'Leaf Nation' headquarters?? Run the bloody cyclists off the road!

Dear White Vest Girl: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:18 GMT

BTW - your fiancee looks like the retarded half brother of Ben Affleck. Bad choice all around on your part.

Toronto The Clean!: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:21 GMT

Way to go courier girl!!!

So tired of people using Toronto streets as a garbage can - or place to spit or put out their cigarettes or most of all as a urinal!

The other day, my boss was going to toss her empty coffee cup out the car window because she didn't feel like waiting the 10 minutes until we got to our destination to throw it in a garbage can. I just said "Here. Give it to me. I'll throw it out. Don't litter". She managed to keep it in the car with us but said "if this was my area of the city, I would have thrown it out of the car". Give me a break. Give T.O. a break!

To White Vest Girl: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:21 GMT

Your significant other is known to police for previous assualts, isn't he? Yes we know that. The eyewitness statements of the first incident more closely parralel the couriers side of things. The fact is your "man"(if you can say that without laughing) was ARGUING LOUDLY WITH YOU when he threw out the litter. Except you weren't arguing loudly with him were you? Scared is your normal state of being when you're around him I'd bet. You look scared in the picture, you don't look scared of the other people though, you look scared for yourself and of him.
If you're real, get away from him. He's a menace to society until he does something to change. You should know before getting all lawyerry on it that several people who saw your "mans" first confrontation with the messenger (before he came back and attacked her) They saw him wrestle her against your car while you did nothing!

As for him trying to "detain" her, that is a lie, he tried to hurt her. It's obvious why he would fight a woman in the streets, it's obvious why he would choose a submissive wilting flower like yourself, he's a nancy pants wimp who likes to feel like a real man by exerting his dominance over women.

It didn't work, if those people hadn't been there Leah wouldv'e MOPPED THE FLOOR with your "man"

If you stay with him out of fear or desperation you make yourself into a worthless whore, stand up for yourself and find a man that respects other people.

All in favor of a license to breed?: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:22 GMT

I think I lost 20 I.Q. points reading some of these postings. Cowards and supporters of this pigheaded woman-beater should be taken to the local vet to be spayed or neutered. This is why our society is going to hell, because people are too sniveling scared, ignorant or feral to be Decent Human Beings.

Who raised some of you? A braindead ape? Even animals in zoos have a better sense of decency. Litter, not litter, what justification do you have to jump out of your vehicle and start beating on another human being? Those of you who call women hateful words like bitches, etc. Do you kiss your mothers with those mouths?

We have to live together. That means a couple things. One of them is doing your part to enforce civil behavior, because the police can't (and shouldn't have to be) everywhere, and because the law can only go so far to enforce behavior. Kudos to all people who remind literers that they're assholes, and kudos to those of you who aren't afraid to break up a fight because "They Might Have a Gun." I wish some of you guys would go after the people in Hamilton who don't pick up after their dog's shit. #2, Just because everyone else should work on enforcing civil behavior doesn't mean that you don't have the responsibility to moderate yourself.

Most of the laws for urban living are set out in the 10 commandments. If I were modern Moses, though, I'd add #11 and #12. #11: pick up thy garbage, thou swine, and #12: Stay in school, because when you're an uncouth, backwater sludge with a 13 year old mentality and 4th grade literacy, it really shows.

HW.: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:22 GMT

Watch out for this guy, first baseball bats,next thing you know it will be a gun to ward off.........all dangerous woman on bikes ? In this nut crazzzzed city . I am suprized it was only a bat. Both need to get a grip.

how developed ?: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:22 GMT

I come from a third world country, but the litter in Toronto - first world city - is horrible.
We have to teach our citizens that the garbage bins all over the place are there not as a decoration, we must use them.
How disgusting this guy's behavior !

rocketred: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:24 GMT

wow. I FINALLY got to this thread b/c it was on the FRONT FUCKING PAGE of the Toronto Star ?!?!!! Tho my eyeballs went square reading all of the responses, it was completely important for hool to have posted the pics and to have had this debate (let alone the love citynoise is gonna feel from the added exposure...). My sympathies go out to Leah - not b/c she was right, or a woman, or a cyclist, or an anti-litter bug, but b/c she reacted (good or bad), she didn't run away, and she took responsibilities for her part in this incident. I don't think that I can add anything new to this thread, but I'm glad for the opportunity to comment. Thank God, that we're not all so apathetic that we no longer give a damn about shit like this happening in our city!

To Philomath: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:28 GMT

A correct statement would be; "A person should avoid confrontation at all times in a society that is not free"

Confrontation is acceptable, violence is not. Ergo the messenger, while rude or intrusive, was still acting within our society, her assailant stepped clearly out of bounds.

TOBoy: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:31 GMT

Unfortunately with her action she allowed the focus to turn into a "who did what and what was worse"..I dont condone her reaction, but she did have a cup of coffee thrown at herand for what...trying to keep our city clean. I dont think she deserved to be assaulted but unfortunately in this day and age with rampant aggression sometimes spinning violently out of control with little provocation that is the chance you take when confronting bullis. Good for her for sticking up for her city and self but could have been handled better and probably safer.
But, This guy clearly has issues that go beyond this battle. People who throw garbage out their window..especially when your in an area as pedestrian as kensington market where there is lots of appropriate garbage disposals around shows a completely selfish and self oriented attitude. And then thinking its okay to assault someone and not expect a reaction and then when there is a reaction to go completely nuts...and than of course the baseball bat incident.
This guy is a ticking timebomb waiting to blow. This isnt road rage..its just rage.
As a person who has grown up in the Tdot and beleives its the best city in the world, well, this guy he needs to the f out of TO and move to the states where behaviour like this is more acceptable and common place..go USA!!!
Verdict = She needs a slap on the wrist for her actions..no matter the issue in this case she could have handled it better but her reaction was understandable, he needs a little psych help and maybe some zoloft to help his rage issues wouldnt be to bad an idea either

uni: the guy's a PUTZ

To White Vest Girl?: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:33 GMT

The Police at the scene reported a mark on your car of a little over a centimeter,,,if that...The Officers, of, the, Law, would call you a liar to your face if you try to claim more damage to your vehicle.

Go Ahead, sue. Make us laugh some more, have your ape dance in the courtroom for the judge,

C'mon, I dare ya! You do know that the Toronto PD is now considering charges against your man since it got on the front page? Make it worse, start a lawsuit with a lie! COME ON DO IT FOR US< we need to laugh

violence is never the answer: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:35 GMT

I don't really think that is what happened, girl in white vest. Your story doens't make sense. Aside from the spelling mistakes, by the way its bought not brought. You also go on to explain how you were putting away groceries when it must have fallen and thats when the cyclist threw it back in, and then keyed your car. After that you say you had pulled over the car to inspect the damage. Was the car moving at the time, because I find it hard to believe that she could have thrown a patty in, and keyed your car while you were still driving. Your story is inconsistent and you had better get your facts straight or else the jury will never believe you. And congradulations for sticking up for your violent fiance, nice choice. Have a wonder life together, and I hope you never piss him off.

violence is never the answer: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:36 GMT

I don't really think that is what happened, girl in white vest. Your story doens't make sense. Aside from the spelling mistakes, by the way its bought not brought. You also go on to explain how you were putting away groceries when it must have fallen and thats when the cyclist threw it back in, and then keyed your car. After that you say you had pulled over the car to inspect the damage. Was the car moving at the time, because I find it hard to believe that she could have thrown a patty in, and keyed your car while you were still driving. Your story is inconsistent and you had better get your facts straight or else the jury will never believe you. And congradulations for sticking up for your violent fiance, nice choice. Have a wonder life together, and I hope you never piss him off.

Bikeforums.net: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:37 GMT

Anybody else read the thread on this in the safety and advocacy area? YOu can actually discuss it instead of shouting here. I think it's called motorist vs courier

Uncle Jerky: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:43 GMT


Is this courier girl single?

I would like to date her.

Harry Shabooby: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:44 GMT

I actually read from the beginning to here... and even including the comments from the Girlfriend. Her explanation sounds reasonable to me. The pictures are fairly incriminating for hubby or hunni or whatever Mr. Sandwich is... but she brings up a valid point... if Courier Girl maliciously keyed the vehicle, and assuming the paddy was actually dropped when loading the vehicle, then perhaps Courier Girl is quite fortunate that he restrained himself and didn't drop kick her into next week. I'd like to see a photograph of the scratches to the vehicle, to help me ascertain whether they were "accidental" as Courier Girl purported, or whether they were malicious in nature. That picture would tell the tale, but unfortunately at this point the photo could be staged. I wasn't there, and the photos look pretty damaging to Sandwichman's case... but when all is said and done, the scratches can probably be removed with a little compound and some elbo grease, and we should all learn not to jump to conclusions.
I do agree that Sandwich man is wound too tight, but I suspect by her actions, that Courier Girl probably needs a wee bit of R&R too. I hope that all concerned learned a valuable lesson from this altercation and that would be, don't worry, be happy... in a hundred years time no one will remember that moment in time, so why sweat it. Maybe they both need a little anger management and a good roll in the hay to fix them up.
Cheers

bystander: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:47 GMT

Before we're ready to judge anyone we should get the facts straight. You have a few photos, a bystander (who didn't see the whole event but took some photos as it developed) with his story and the hell brakes loose. Maybe in fact they didn't litter, maybe they did drop their groceries. Unfortunately, we're so quick in making judgments. In any case, the events unfolded in very sad way and this guy is having his photo published all over; is going to be recognized and judged wherever he goes, while the girls' face is not even in the picture...and she could be equally responsible for all of this.

anon (24.66.94.141): 31st Jan 2006 - 23:48 GMT

odd, i just got this in an email after JUST getting back into my house and getting off the phone with the cops. i was just followed to my HOUSE by some man that was mad about cutting me off. yeah, i know it doesn't make sense. he was mad that HE cut ME off. i dont' get it either. now he knows where i live. *sigh* get a grip, people!

Eh?: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:48 GMT

Actually TOBoy, Kensington market has very few trash receptacles... local business owners have be complaining to city council for years to no avail

Pete from Hamilton: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:52 GMT

Some People treasure their cars interior more than the enviroment.Is'nt it fun how much better your car runs after you've washed it!!,The Bastard shoul have been charged.

Miss-Demenour: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:53 GMT

I find public behaviour like "sandwich boy" really hard to handle-I wish he could crawl into whatever barn he was raised in and stay there. The city is filled his his/her kind, some are moterists some are cyclists. Luckily there are people who do not want to tolorate this. This is the best city in the world, but like everywhere there are bad apples, riding, driving walking-take care.

zoe: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:55 GMT

I'm just curious about White Vest Lady's story: at what point did your fiancee throw your coffees on the courier? The pictures show that she's dripping wet, so I'm just wondering. Furthermore, why on earth would she want to key your car? She'd returned the litter already! Your fiancee clearly has some anger management issues: the photos show the courier in a defensive position, and MULTIPLE bystanders trying to stop him from continuing to attack her. Even if she did assault you both, and scream profanities at you, why didn't you simply close your doors, call the police, and sue her for the damages? That would have been a completely appropriate reaction; what your fiancee did was not (especially since he was cearly in a physically dominant position.)

DANK to White Vest Girl: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:56 GMT

You can’t actually think that people with post grade 9 educations would believe your account of things. Or could you? I know this courier girl, and had a run in with her vicariously. She has a big mouth, sure, but she is not a psycho. Even with the brush I had with her (we were filming on Front street, she parked her bike where someone suggested she not, and then got a garbage bag, of all things, hooked on her bike and she freaked a bit) she never crossed the line of common sense, even while being taunted by my rather foul-mouthed co worker. I explained the situ to her, and she left with a "sorry for the misunderstanding". I thought she handled it rather well frankly.

So to think that anyone will think that the fricken lunatic in those pictures, and you (no comment on the license to procreate will quite cover it) were hard done by in this altercation would only reflect the level of introspection shown by the man who got you pregnant at some point. She makes her living on that bike. And now she is out the cost of replacing a rim on it. I don’t expect you to have any idea how much a performance hybrid rim costs, but suffice it to say it will be a rather large percentage of her weeks pay.

Just because you are stupid, don’t think the rest of the world will agree with your "vision" of how things went down.

All that being said, the only way we can stop from being just another city full of assholes, is to be thoughtful of others. That applies to both parties in this case, but I fucking HATE seeing people litter in one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Which we still have. Tough about the paint job, but it's a caravan. Piece of garbage.

The thing that warms my heart the most is the knowledge that the freak of a man will do this to the wrong person and will end up in jail, or the hospital. Either way, you are all likely to be a burden on society in some way, and that bothers me more than littering.

Sigh.....

Dank

P.S. Use condoms.

Teri: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:59 GMT

People who litter are pigs. Woman with white vest can do better. Hope woman on bike is recovered. Hope the City provides more trash receptacles. Hope motorists mother is embarassed.

Paul: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:01 GMT

If this asshat had a problem with his own property being returned to him, he should have called the police.

When he committed assault, he lost any right to claim for damages the melee caused. And she had every right to defend herself.

He should go to jail. That he hasn't even been charged is an indication of how useless some police officers have become.

DANK to Leah: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:01 GMT

You see a film crew parked downtown, you find me and i'll buy you a JetFuel.
Your kinda hot too.
Did Anyone point that out?
Cycle couriers. Fit!!!!

And regarding garbage cans in the Market, the friggen BIA collects money from film crews to shoot there, and they PAY!!! So put a crowbar in the BIA's wallet, make the queen squint, and get them to foot the bill for some garbage cans!!!!

TOBoy: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:02 GMT

Eh? Fair enough..I dont claim to be an expert on the population of trash recepticles per block...
But still no excuse to litter..

serves her right : 1st Feb 2006 - 00:14 GMT

Ok Iam the brother of the girl and the brother in-law of the guy first Id like to say to all those people out there that think this guy is nuts and beats my sister your wrong.This guy is one of the most nicest people you can meet as well he treats my sister excellent,if he did not myself and my friends would not tolerate this and if there was abuse the situation would be dealt with a harsh penalty.Iam a strong believer in NO ONE TOUCHES MY SISTER in the wrong matter and believe me my friends are the people you read about in the newspapers ok.I can assure to all you people out there he has never touched my sister the wrong way.I strongly believe that most of us would not offer this lady to go have a coffee and talk about why she WHIPPED the patty back at the face of the driver and close the door.What would you all have really done, probably almost the samething.Besides if there is no litter bugs out there alot of people would be out of a JOB.
Kensington Market isnt full of crazy drivers its full of alcholics, drug dealers and drug abusers who walk around the streets thinking they own it, the only normal people in the Market are the outside shoppers that come in for the deals.SO to end this matter she is just lucky that she didnt open the door of a car that belonged to a thug because she probably would have gotten shot and to all you people who have a big mouth on line your the type of people that hide in your house with your white picket fences mad at how things are in this city and do nothing about it so SHUT UP stay inside if you dont like the real world and keep your FU..KING mouths shut.To all the people that agree that she was the stupid one for doing that thanks for being normal citizens that see when stupid people do stupid thing,stupid things should happen to them.

Peter: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:22 GMT


So this is Toronto, the place I love and plan my annual visit every summer including
this year, I will be careful not to throw food back in someones car.

Dear Serves Her Right: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:23 GMT

Jesus H. Christ, you're a bigger moron than your sister's boyfriend. Most nicest?

Jacques: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:29 GMT

"Besides if there is no litter bugs out there alot of people would be out of a JOB."

ARe you serious? And the rest of you who have stooped to this level and made this outrageous statement. Do you not recall a garbage strike that paralyzed this city a couple years back? Do you really think garbage-men and women would encourage lazy idiots to litter?

Your comments 'brother-in-law' and those by others condoning the violent attack by this schmuck leave me pittying you.

Respect Leah and the rest of us in society willing to stick up for their neighbourhoods and themselves. Respect also to those that jumped in on Leah's defence and the photographer for recording this evidence.

Ignorance runs in the family: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:31 GMT

Reading the response from the brother-in-law of the guy in question, you get the sense that maybe guy was merely keeping his brother-in-law employed by throwing his garbage out the window.

Jay in 905: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:32 GMT

RE: The "Motorists";

I heard you on CFRB this morning and the account of the events as described by you match exactly what you have posted here. I find your story to be more credible than Leah's, and given that she has been charged for a similar incident in the past, I think it is Leah who is lucky to have escaped this situation without charge. She admits to starting the whole thing by opening the door and throwing the food at you in the first place, for heaven's sake. People need to realize that the pictures don't always show the whole story. Looking at those same pictures that many of you are crucifying the man with, I can see the perfectly plausible course of events that the young lady has described. The fact that none of the men breaking things up in the picture are kicking his ass to me speaks volumes.

WN: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:33 GMT

Such an axxhole probably from an underdeveloping country. Irresponsible and selfish.

anon (toronto-HSE-ppp4056517.sympatico.ca): 1st Feb 2006 - 00:36 GMT

I read every post from beginning to end. It wasn’t a very productive day at work…

Some people made me laugh others pissed me off and a lot made me think.

This is an example where you love humanity but hate people.

I am a cyclist and I know how dangerous things get in the streets of Toronto. I also have a huge pet-peeve against litter bugs. I also would have reacted against the guy littering but I would have done things a bit more diplomatically. I would have picked up the patty (or whatever the fuck it was), knocked on his window and just handed it back to him, but I empathize with Leah, at the moment you really don’t think while you get instantly revolted and angry over someone’s actions.

I have to strongly disagree with those who say that Leah shouldn’t have engaged. All that evil needs to triumph is for good people to stand by and do nothing. Fortunately there where many people who intervened and this guy wasn’t able to do much harm (one of the reasons I love Kensington Market; its good people). Passivity is one of the reasons that we live in a shitty world, we need more brave people to stand up and fight against any form of wrongdoing (in this case littering).

I have to say that I still feel bad for the guy. He is probably public enemy number one in Toronto (at least for a few days) and he probably didn’t intentionally litter in the first place (I have to assume the best in people), but if I where him I would stay clear from the area for at least a few months. On the other hand I kind of despise this guy because of his violent reaction, because he is driving in Kensington, because he attacked a woman and because he has a baseball bat in the car and was ready to use it against the guy who took the pictures, he is a coward and I doubt he would have acted up against a guy his own size.

As for the girl in the white vest (the fiancé): run and don’t look back, this guy might be treating you well at the moment, but he is a psycho and he might hurt you someday, the baseball bat is a proof of his violent intentions (you still have to explain the baseball bat incident). I also find it pathetic that you give so much importance over money and costs, to me (and probably to many people here) you come out as a very shallow person (when thinking about it you probably deserve the guy).

One more thing: I am happy to see so many fellow cyclists here, our numbers are growing. I could easily afford a car but I refuse to buy one (I save tons of cash). We are slowly gaining momentum and hopefully we will see the day when gas costs $5 a litre and we will have the streets only for streetcars, pedestrians and cyclists.

BAN CARS FROM KENSINGTON.

Sunny D: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:43 GMT

Let's look at the bottom line, shall we? This dude had a nuclear meltdown in public and could have seriously hurt a stranger for a small thing. The moment he exited his vehicle, he had the intent to harm or kill. For that, he should be punished.
I'm not happy that he's still on the loose. He's clearly a menace.
Good for you, Leah.

Bushrider: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:49 GMT

Dear Serves Her Right:
Let me get this straight: that is your sister and her husband gracing the front page of today's Star, and the top of this blog? And you agree he should be throwing her around and stomping her bike?
And throwing garbage on the streets helps because it is creating jobs?
While you sure do have a right to your opinion, especially on the internet, may I suggset that the way you think is a bit out of whack?!

To "the brother": 1st Feb 2006 - 00:50 GMT

Haha, you bought the whole line your sister cast out? It totally contradicts eyewitness accounts and her claim of the damage to her car is bogus. The COPS at the scene EXAMINED THE DAMAGE (BTW it isn't any of the cars in the photos people, just a crappy four door car) and found it to be beyond minimal, MAYBE a centimeter. 2 of the eyewitnesses saw her being thrown against YOUR SISTERS CAR by her helmet, you gentle as a lamb brother in law did that. That's what caused the SMALL SCRATCH that THE POLICE SAW.

You aren't the only one around here with access to locals, yokel, lying to protect the (imaginary) dignity of your brother in law just pants you as a total TOOL and HIS BITCH.

Wait, he wouldn't want to hit you, your a male. I guess you're not his bitch.

I wouldn't be surprised if the tool, his weak willed wife and the chump of a brother went out and scratched the shit out of THEIR OWN CAR before remembering the police had already seen it. HAHAHAHAH

da vinci: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:52 GMT

Who is this guy? The photos clearly show him. Let's out this guy before he really hurts someone.. Someone must recognize him and know who he is. Come on people. Identify him to the press the same as anyone else responsible for violence in the community. You will probably be doing him a favour in the long run, and at least send a warning to the people who thought they could trust him.

Now I get it: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:55 GMT

What's been puzzling me is why White Vest Girl doesn't have a problem with her boyfriend punching a woman in the street. I mean, where I come from, men never, ever hit women, and if they do, they're considered the lowest of the low. Yet, White Vest Girl has no problem with it. After reading the post from her brother, I understand. In her family, it's OK to hit women if they "do something stupid." Sad.

Dear Jay in 905: 1st Feb 2006 - 00:57 GMT

You should also take into account the fact that the assailant has been charged with assualt in the past. Leah hasn't.

The fiances (not married) to the assailant gave a story that contradicted uninvolved eyewitness accounts given to the police at the scene. They also claim 3-4 marks on the car, several inches in length. The police at the scene saw a mark a centimeter long and could not say how long it had been there.

You heard it on CFRB this morning, it was in The Star today. It's been here for a week and been talked about for 2 weeks here in the 416. The ape, his fiance and anyone stupid enough to defend this assault are doing damage control....to bad it can't change the facts

2 cents worth: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:01 GMT

I think what people are forgetting, is that any type of violence against another person is not right. It is worse in this case as it was directed against a woman. It does not take much of a man to toss around a female. I believe Leah's explanation and feel the driver was totaly our of control. Even if some of you think the courier should not have given him back his garbage ( whether she tossed it in his car or opened his door and handed it to him)the driver overreacted. If I was his girlfriend,I would be concerned this type of behavior is not normal or justified. If I was the girlfriend I would be afraid that some day I might do something to set him off and there might not be anyone around to help.

Rich: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:01 GMT

I've been trying to tell people that anyone who hurts a guys car (it's his wifes I know, does he even have a car?) should get hit. No one understands

Drog: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:04 GMT

Phew! Sure glad we got all that sorted.
Your comments are uplifting.
Our handbasket hell has arrived

Ban Douchebags from procreating.: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:06 GMT

That guy is a pussy. His soon-to-be-sister-in-law is afraid that he'll beat her as well. I feel sorry for that whole group/family. To put it short - Hey douchebag. Yeah, the one who needs to get beat down. I seriously want to meet you on the street so I can marvel in your awesomeness before I ram your face into the pavement. You are very lucky that there were only smaller people there. Dickwad.

serves her right : 1st Feb 2006 - 01:06 GMT

Leahs the reason why people get into fights she put her nose where it doesnt belong just like George Bush but i guess people like you like people sticking their noses in your buisness why dont you tell me where you live,let me stick my nose in your business see what you say then. She wasnt sticking up for her neighbourhood or the city maybe she is the one who cant control herself if she acted like a normal citizen which you want so bad in this city nothing would have happened.BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO heres some woman that obviously feels she is so above others she can open the door to anyones car or maybe home and acts how she wants.FUCK her and FUCK you i hope some kid throws a patty in your kids face one day or in your face for that matter see how youd act. You should let me throw one in your face but as much as i would like to to prove a point I as my sister were raised to respect others who respect you back.And treat other as youd like to be treated but i was also taught that if someone throws something to harm me or my family to deal with it.

theallseeingeye: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:11 GMT

She looks kinda hot, and she's riding a sweet fixie ride. Bet she has a sweet tattoo somewhere.
He's driving a minivan and wearing nikes.

say no more

The "Motorists": 1st Feb 2006 - 01:11 GMT

Dear Readers,

This is the girl in the "white vest". I understand that there is mixed views on this situation. I fully understand this. You do not know me or my fiance and that is fine. If you think my story is false by all means view the police report. There just wasn,t a tiny scratch there were 3-4, 5 inches in length. I will tell you this I will buy her a brand new bike if she pays the damage to MY CAR.

The "Motorists": 1st Feb 2006 - 01:12 GMT

Dear Readers,

This is the girl in the "white vest". I understand that there is mixed views on this situation. I fully understand this. You do not know me or my fiance and that is fine. If you think my story is false by all means view the police report. There just wasn,t a tiny scratch there were 3-4, 5 inches in length. I will tell you this I will buy her a brand new bike if she pays the damage to MY CAR.

serves her right : 1st Feb 2006 - 01:12 GMT

i didnt say i agree with stomping a bike but no one is talking about her opening a car door that doesnt belong to her and whipp a beef patty at peoples heads.Iam saying if someone did that to you you wouldnt just sit there and be like thats ok,have a nice day.I really dont agree with how people are judging him because of some snap shots give me a break I have kids and I wouldnt wantr them having someone throw something in their face because one thought they were littering.Whos really at fault.

Dave M: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:17 GMT

I wonder if that skinny little piece of shit would had reacted the same way if it had been a guy? Probably not. I hope to someday run in to him and see just how tough he is. I hope the courier will press charges.

serves her right : 1st Feb 2006 - 01:19 GMT

your all concerned about his actions ok lets say it was your kids in the car all kids throw things out the window and all of a sudden some crazy ass bitch cyclist picks up that garbage from the ground opens your car door whipps it inside and it hits your child or children then what myself as a dad i would get out of my car and kick the shit out of the person.Its the samething she opened a car door and assaulted someone for crying out loud but beacuase it was a woman who threw something at someones head oh boy she is in the right he is in the wrong this country is so bloody bias it isnt funny.

Here's a prediction:: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:26 GMT

She won't be wearing that white vest in Toronto any time soon.

Bert: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:28 GMT

What ever happened to CANADA? We used to be known as such peaceful people. Shame on all of you who admit to your violent hatred for fellow human beings. I pray for peace on Earth.

just me: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:36 GMT

I noticed that A lot of you folks are feeding into (and feeding) the Rage.
People do stupid things.
Maybe he was suprised and did a "fight or flight" thing - maybe she had a bad day and lost it for a sec. ... and things heated up. To all the folks who are saying that they would do this or that, I say, he/she could have had a gun and then it would be all over. Back off. Take a pill, count to 10... easy now...

Road Rage Sucks: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:38 GMT

To the "Woman in the White Vest":
According to you, you dropped a hambuger after just purchasing it. I call Bullsh*t on this statement, because, if you dropped it unintentionally, it would still be in the bag, no? If it was still in the bag, why was there such a problem with the cylclist "returning" it to you? Leah describes the hamburger as with a wrapper and bag, but perhaps it was only partially eaten? If it was not in a bag, your statement that you dropped it unintentionally seems ridiculous. Has anyone reading this ever unwrapped a burger and then dropped it without knowing? If there was no wrapper on the burger, I understand the anger you may have felt at having your EXPENSIVE Accura soiled, but how do you think the locals felt about having that mess on the street? Also the pictures clearly show that your fiancee was stomping on the bike. The rage on his face while being held by passers-by is frightening. You should take the advice of people who tell you to leave that guy: (you probably won't believe me, but) that anger WILL be directed at you some day (if it already hasn't been), and you will be the "cyclist" (and there may not be anyone around to stop him, then). Let me guess, he always has an excuse for why he gets so mad ("I was having a bad day, didn't get enough sleep last night, etc, etc"). I was in a relationship like that, and it was utter HELL (after our marriage, of course, before that she was fine). My spouse was the nicest person, until she got angry, then she became the Shedevil from hell! I never thought she'd turn that anger on me, but boy was I wrong! Good Luck!

jos: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:44 GMT

Steve in Vancouver (jan 31, 22:30), thanks for your words of wisdom.

Cyclist, I'm glad you weren't hurt more badly than you were. You were at great risk.

Bystanders, thanks for getting involved and protecting the vulnerable.

As a cyclist and daily 4 season bicycle commuter, I've been exposed to many acts of rage and disrespect, like a lot of drivers are as well. The difference is that cyclist are really vulnerable compared to motorist, especialy in moving traffic. I decided long ago it's better to be carefull and alive than confrotational and hurt, or dead.

Driver of the expensive car, look into anger management.

I always remember a true story from Bicycling Magazine: cyclist sees a driver pulling out of a parking lot with a baby carrier (with a baby in it) on top of his car. Cyclist sprints to stop the car before it's too late. The sprinting cylist loses control and crashes but the driver stops to help. With the baby still safe. We've got to look after each other. Share the road.

Fat ass: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:44 GMT

Wow. Go motorist.

I'm not a motorist, but that cunt of a cyclist was out-of-line. She invaded his car over a fucking piece of litter in TORONTO of all places. Boo fucking hoo.

She deserved everything she got.

She's one of those 'bikecunts' the ones with the stupid ass outfits that think they're cars and run over pedestrians like they're in a game.

GO MOTORIST WOO!

Matthew Bergin: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:51 GMT

If you litter you deserve to get it thrown back in your face. If he had taken his garbage home and disposed of it properly none of this would have happened. Littering is DISGUSTING it ranks right up there with spitting on the sidewalk. You assholes in motor vehicles aren't content with polluting the air, you have to disfigure the landscape as well. I for one applaud Leah's actions and if I had of been there I would have given her a hand.

seriously?: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:54 GMT

I just don't buy no-seriously's claims including "The driver got pissed and was attempting to hold her there until the police arrived. After all, under the Rules, she committed an assault." Bullshit!!!
Come on, speculation or not, this guy's reaction & the rage on his face was way over the top. And he did try to stomp on her bike. I've read other accounts of people on the scene and no_seriously's account doesn't square with any of those. I've seen enough remarks about the baseball bat from witnesses - I don't think it's his first episode as a violent nut either. What was the guy doing with a baseball bat in a car in JANUARY?
I don't believe any one can mistake someone 'dropping' a package with deliberately throwing one out their car either.

Frank: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:54 GMT

I was there! You can see ny white van in some of pictures and me. I'm the guy with the fingerless gloves.
The guy wasn't really trying to hurt her. He was more wrestling. I'm not saying he was right...I was only trying to protect my own property and trying to disfuse the situation but couldn't think of anything. By the way, he jumped out his car while it was still moving and opened his door against my door.He dented my door a little. He also threw coffee all over my truck.The guy should ask himself why I didn't go after him? He had no problem going after a girl!

Fat ass: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:55 GMT

Forgot to add, Leafs fucking suck dog dicks for quarters and I'd fuck that blonde chick in her asshole.

Fat ass: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:56 GMT

Hey matt, you fucking homo, if I was there I would've given her a hand too - a slap across the ass.

Brent: 1st Feb 2006 - 01:58 GMT

Toronto is such a filthy city and dangerous for cyclists--and I used to live in Asia....I've always wanted to toss garbage back into somebody's car. Good for you!! But you take your chances so no real sympathy for either one.

Spyke: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:00 GMT

I would have done the same thing myself if some asshole dumped his or her garbage at my feet on a busy city street. He looked pissed, but I get that way all the time. But then again I am mentally ill and am heavily drugged for your protection. But to say it quick, a man hitting a woman is not cool, he is lucky I was not standing there or he would of been the one getting the worst end of the situation.:}

AAA: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:01 GMT

Sure the "Fat ass" person above has no civic sense like the motorist. These folks are the ones that litter streets, sidewalks, subway cars and other public spaces. The motorist should have been charged for littering. Thank you to the cyclist for standing up for our common rights.

AAA: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:01 GMT

Sure the "Fat ass" person above has no civic sense like the motorist. These folks are the ones that litter streets, sidewalks, subway cars and other public spaces. The motorist should have been charged for littering. Thank you to the cyclist for standing up for our common rights.

BITCHE, BITCH, BITCH: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:03 GMT

He threw garbage out the window, not at her. But her reaction was done with malice. It's as simple as that. She's a class-A Bitch who took it personally. How would any guy like to wake up to her @ 7AM! Pure shit!

phoqnchyt: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:05 GMT

People are saying that Leah should have minded her won business and that she shouldn't have picked up the garbage and give it back to the psycho dude. Well, guess what! SHE WAS MINDIG HER OWN BUSINEES. When people pollute and litter it is everybody's goddamn business. If you accept such behaviour then you are just another part of the problem.

I also find it particularly sad on how people are calling Leah names because they can't come up with an eloquent and minimally sophisticated argument to back up the reasons they are against her .

It was the maniac's trash, she picked it up and gave it back. I have done that myself plenty of times, just not is such a dramatic fashion as Leah. I pick up, go up to the person and shame them by saying "excuse me, you dropped this, have a nice day".

Matthew Bergin: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:07 GMT

If you litter you deserve to get it thrown back in your face. If he had taken his garbage home and disposed of it properly none of this would have happened. Littering is DISGUSTING it ranks right up there with spitting on the sidewalk. You assholes in motor vehicles aren't content with polluting the air, you have to disfigure the landscape as well. I for one applaud Leah's actions and if I had of been there I would have given her a hand.

digitalrain: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:13 GMT

You must give respect to get the same in return. I'm glad someone was there to be disrespectful to to him and his property.( a better lesson than a $300.00 fine) Littering is a statment that the person is only concerned about themselves. It is a another sign of the " me first" society. Thanks for keeping Canada clean! To the drivers' mother ...give your son a slap!...oh the shame ...and on the internet too....

RAPPAR: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:14 GMT

Reverse the roles and the male driver would have been arrested and thrown in jail. I'msurprised that the COPS didn't do that anyways just to teach the guy a lesson, but then there were to many pictures for themm to try and get rid of and protect their ass's, they're busier dong that these days than serving and protecting people equally. She should have been arrested and charged, and been made to face up to what she did when she broke into his car and ASSAULTED HIM. He is NOT innocent either , but he was protecting himself against a person who is obviously more concerned with shoving her opinions upon a complete stranger than she is in her own safety. I can just imagine what would have happened if she had done this to someone who had a knife or other weapon with them. Some people out there wouldn't have let her leave with her health. I just glad no real damage has been done except to their Prides. I wonder if she offered to pay for the damage she did to this guy's car? I'll bet she didn't!!! Reverse the Roles!!! A totally different result would have occured!!!

jonb123: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:14 GMT

this reminds me of the seinfeld finale..... if no one would have helped then the photographer would have been charged.... props to the girl in the black vest

anon (69.158.2.34): 1st Feb 2006 - 02:16 GMT

Wow, aggressive posts too. I like Yoke's post. In my eyes, they are both responsible in part for what transpired. Sounds like (2) type A hot heads meet at the OK coral in Kensington. Shame on her for assaulting him at the beginning, I don't care how much of an asshole he was for pitching the trash, it does not suddently justify her response. What happens next folks, can someone bust down the front door of your house because there is some trash on your front lawn? And double shame on him for his actions.

Laurel: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:17 GMT

I was there too. Frank's wife. Couldn't believe this guy attacking an 100 lb women! The look on his face says it all.
What about the damage he did to our van? I suppose you people who support him would think its okay for Frank and I to stomp all over his car?
Wazzup with this guys girlfriend? To say this guy has issues is an understatement. I'm glad that Hool posted this. This idiot has to live this down in front of all his friends, co-workers and family in the TO area. I'm sure he is recognized.
What Leah did was wrong but did not deserve this guy going apeshit on her and scaring everyone on the street. By the way, the vendor behind our van had all his mechandise ruined when the guy threw coffee all over the place.
Leah appeared calm after this happened but I could see her hands shaking.

Sleepless in Toronto: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:19 GMT

Hello all you Neanderthals out there wherever you are...you mini-van driving morons...you litter buggers...you monster home mavens...you enviornmental mental cases...you dyslexic idiots who can't even spell your hate-spewing messages properly...the 'fairer sex' no longer has to kow-tow to you & your medieval views...language dears...surely you middle-brow males can express yourself more articulately...you male chauvinist piggies who don't realize that we're now in the 21st century...you 'power pigs' who helped to contribute to a black-out in T.O. a few years back which left us w/o running water and working toilets in our hi-rises...if pictures could tell 1,000 words I'd say that an angry male motorist assaulted a female cyclist...and she SHOULD press charges...I know I've got a good lawyer now and that's what I'd do...any male that lays a hand on a female like that deserves everything that's coming to him...by the way...how's the wife & kids?

ChaRa: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:21 GMT

Sounds like something out of kindergarten... a little repressed anger, a bad day, one too many swerves to miss getting hit, an inability to step outside of selfish motives and self-protection. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone... and all you who've condemned others as judge and jury... what do you think you're doing?? You're joining the side you've just condemned... you've named yourselves judge and jury. I see a whole lot of speculation and little fact (good job hool on objectivity, professionalism, and I hope you come to my town--you and your camera and cool-headedness are refreshing).

Take a breather, guys.

Breathe in and ... : 1st Feb 2006 - 02:25 GMT

Long live life. contemplation and learning

...Breathe out.

mikethehoe: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:25 GMT

Couldn't she have simply knocked on his window, and politely asked him to throw his food in the garbage, you know, before tossing it into his car?
And throwing food from the ground into a persons clean car is a lot different then handing it back to the person and stating "oh, you dropped this". That was a childish act on her part and well she picked the wrong person. Yes, littering is wrong, and his reaction was quite stupid, but no need to react like that. She placed herself on the same childish level as him.

Rita FEB.1: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:26 GMT

Good for you Leah there are to many low lifes that litter are beautiful planet
I wish there were more people like you.

anon (pool-71-101-223-204.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net): 1st Feb 2006 - 02:27 GMT

i thinkthis whole thing as got of hand. If all the effort and energy that was put into this what a waste.Take all this and put into helping the poor and the sick and the hungry and the elderly what a great place toronto would be if we all tried to get along.

jinx32: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:30 GMT

Everyone has a right to be an asshole even psycho van dude, some are just more so then others (psycho van dude) , its the self rightous assholes who were the first to rat you out in grade school, lobby for a useless gun registry, and get smoking banned from places their self rightous asses wouldn't even be near that I find are turds of mega proportions.

They are both turds, just on the oposite spectrum.

too funny: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:31 GMT

The cyclist was way out of line.

She's so self righteous and full of sh*t. She goes ballistic over a little garbage that might have fallen out of the motorists car, yet she was right around the corner from the dirtiest area of the city-Chinatown. I don't see her throwing
rotting cabbages and fish heads at all the shop owners there.

He might have lost his cool but he was going after her bike NOT the girl.

Ban Douchebags from procreating.: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:32 GMT

Why don't I smack you with my dick? You sound like you need something to shut you up.

Better yet, why don't you just kill yourself if you get so emotional and things are so horrible.

GTB 365: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:33 GMT

Hey Sleepless, you really sound like a class A knob. Sounds like you need a litle therapy of your own. Litle bit of hate there mate? Your were not even there, what the hell do you know

instinct: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:34 GMT

thank-you for doing what i feel like doing every day...but don't
it is interesting how much attention crossing the line can get... unfortunate...yet still saying thank-you

serves her right : 1st Feb 2006 - 02:37 GMT

she threw it in his face she didnt say excuse me sir could you please place that in the garbage like a normal person would have she threw it at him thats assault and if you commend that your more of the problem then him

Yup: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:38 GMT

Well, judging by his yellow teeth he's obviously English.

Yup: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:38 GMT

Well, judging by his yellow teeth he's obviously English.

Ban Douchebags from procreating.: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:38 GMT

Whatever moron. What the hell do you know?

phoqnchyt: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:38 GMT

The Fiancé/Lady in White Vest still has to explain for the baseball bat. Her brother didn’t mince words against Kensington Market either, so I wouldn’t mind if she explained to us what where such “nice” suburbanites doing down there in the first place. You are not welcome there with your cars, by the way…

Purs: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:40 GMT

Great point about all of the rotting garbage tossed around the corner in china town. Go to town there. Toss it all back!

The BIG question...: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:42 GMT

...after reading some of the more colorful comments above - who in God’s name is giving all you ignorant, hate mongering, misogynists access to a computer? It appears that most of you can barely stop drooling long enough to form the most basic sentences, yet you are somehow able to log onto a PC and clog the internet with the banal ranting of your stunted minds. Along with breeding, access to the internet should be a privilege, not a right.

Sunny D: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:43 GMT

amanda: 31st Jan 2006 - 19:13 GMT
"Some people think that couriers are a bunch of losers that can’t find a real job, use the roads without paying anything for the privilege and smoke dope to keep from thinking about how much of a useless failure they are."

Some people don't know any couriers and regurgitate tired stereotypes that their priviledged, SUV-driving friends from 905land tell them. I guess that's easier than getting to know an entire group of people from places all over the world and then forming an educated opinion.
~ALL the BEST~

~S

Not a chance: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:44 GMT

White vest girl's story doesn't jive. It took a week for her to rehearse the 'why would we throw out good food' act? I heard her on CFRB and it just didn't pass the sniff test. Home boy is bad news, and not just because of those teeth (lol). I wonder if his boss is having some sober second thought right now.

Alok: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:48 GMT

You said "after reading some of the more colorful comments above - who in God’s name is giving all you ignorant, hate mongering, misogynists access to a computer? It appears that most of you can barely stop drooling long enough to form the most basic sentences, yet you are somehow able to log onto a PC and clog the internet with the banal ranting of your stunted minds. Along with breeding, access to the internet should be a privilege, not a right."

You are no better...from reading your crap....that is for sure

Kevin: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:50 GMT

HEY FAT ASS!-What do you mean you're not a motorist, what do you do walk everywhere or hitchhike? This asshole would not have had his litter throw back at him, if he had thrown it in a garbage can when he got to work or where ever he was going. If everyone littered like this asshole, Toronto would look like a 3rd world country or a large US city. This guy probably drives like a maniac and cuts in and out of traffic on highways as well. In Mississauga we have a fine of $300 for littering. I would love some idiots like this one to get nailed, he has no fucking respect.

Bob Gordon: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:53 GMT

You can bet your ass that the driver looked out FIRST to see who it was that did what ALL of us would like to do. Since he saw a girl, inconsiderate bully that he is, he attacked. Had the biker been a 6'5" 250 lb male, would we be hearing about this? Hardly.

serves her right : 1st Feb 2006 - 02:53 GMT

rappar is the normal person replying on this your so right this counrty is so bloody bias woman can get away with murder, shes lucky she dont live in Iraq where legally she could have been shot dead by the guy

Repl: Both parties sound like loosers to me. EOM.

Manitoba: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:56 GMT

He shouldn't be littering but prissy bitch had it coming. People have no sense of repercussions. She thinks she can just throw crap back into his car? That makes her no better than him. Then she keys it? Way over the top. I would have wrapped the fucking bike around her neck. You want equality? Take the lumps and stop bitching about being female when its convenient.

wow?!@!?: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:57 GMT

Hey Motorist,

Nike just called and they are cancelling your Shox endorsement and might be giving it to the bike courier.

wow?!@!? from Hamilton: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:57 GMT

Hey Motorist,

Nike just called and they are cancelling your Shox endorsement and might be giving it to the bike courier.

serves her right: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:58 GMT

I just beat up my wife. Bitch had it coming.

Christine: 1st Feb 2006 - 02:59 GMT

Good for her. I would do the same thing. What do people mean, the car is his
personal space? I consider the outdoors my personal space and it looks like she does too. What right does he have to throw his crap out the window into our personal space? He is a loser and should get a $5,000 maximum fine. He should also get medical help for his "inner" problems. Was he drunk?? Probably. Great...another fine. Why not just put him in jail for a week or so.
He can throw his garbage on his cell floor and wallow in it.

CTI: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:02 GMT

You said it right Manitoba, other than the comment about wrapping the bike around her neck. That's just plain wrong, and you just bring your self down to that same scum level.

Crappy The Penguin: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:06 GMT

"...can't we all just----get along?"

wow?!@!? from Hamilton: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:17 GMT

The degragation of a society can be directly linked to how it treats women. Look at iran and iraq at the way they treat theirs. I am the first to admit that i am far from perfect and am very glad that my buttons werent pressed on that day and given media exposure... it was for motorist. But, on a larger and more important scale, this world needs Jesus Christ!

Crappy The Penguin: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:19 GMT

NIMBY-ism should not become equated to vigilante-ism.

Two wrongs don't make a right and there are several lines that were crossed by both sides. Personal space is getting to be almost sacrosanct in the city and we're all too uptight and paranoid about losing even one micrometer of space.

Remember, "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" (Will Rogers)

Extrapolating this aphorism: One's right to litter garbage ends where my neighborhood begins.

PitBull: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:21 GMT

Yo, anyone get this dumb cracker's home and work address from the posting before?
email it to me at pitbull-boyz@hotmail.com so me and my boyz can apoligize for the courier and fix the car. Yo, hunney in the White Vest -- you want a REAL man?

The BIG question...: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:22 GMT

Hey Manitoba - I don't remember her "bitching about being female when its convenient". I also didn't notice her backing down or away from any of the resulting "consequences". She threw the litter back at him and dealt with the consequences - one on one.

Crappy The Penguin: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:23 GMT

(sigh)...I fear that the Sandwich Boy's fiance has done to the white vest what O.J Simpson did to the white Ford Bronco....

lord quattlebaum: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:25 GMT

i can't wait to get the new j.dilla LP!!!
i like me some donuts!

The BIG question...: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:26 GMT

Hey Alok - if being intolerant of ignorance, hate mongering & mysogyny makes me "no better", then I plead guilty.

lester: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:30 GMT

I once threw a pop can out my car window at a traffic light . Little did I know a police officer was in the car behind me . I received a fine and I paid it . The officer left the can where it lay and did not ask me to pick it up .I know I shouldn't have done it but I did .I try to use garbage and recyling binns when I am on the streets as much as possible . This said, I would not take it lightly if someone decided they where going to open my car door and throw my garbage back into my car that 13% of the time I don't use a garbage can . Think about it , a stranger opens your car door in this big city and starts yelling at you . By the time your heart stops beating a mile a minute you realize you are not being robbed but having your garbage thrown back at you . He didn't throw it at her ,but she took too personally . so what if he threw coffee on her she openned his car anr threw garbage at him . Does she not read the news sensless murders happen everyday . she said she makes her son pick up 10 pieces of garbage @ the park before he can play . She obviously hasn't shown her son how to be a better person when he see's someone doing something wrong . I drive in the city all day long , that's my job . both motorist's and cyclist make some bad deciscion's on the road . She should let tell her son what she saw and ask him what he thinks . I also know she should consider herslef lucky . Alot of people wouldn't of wasted any energy on her bike and just pinched her in her face . Nothing to do with man vs woman . When she opened his door and threw the garbage back in she had no interest in her own safety . My son's are 4 and 8 yrs old. I showed the pics to my 8 yr old and my wife , and talked to them about it . when you are downtown remember you are downtown alot of diff' people , alot of diff' views .

JAC02000: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:33 GMT

Thank god someone stepped up to the plate or more a$$holes like this would get away with anything out there. She should be commemerated for her actions rather than down played by society for not taking any action at all.
I have an 80/20 rule - 80% of the people are good drivers out there and respect other beings on the road. 20% are made up of 10% brain dead people or 10% just don't give a crap people. He's part of the 10% crowd that scares the crap out of me while I cycle out there - they just don't care. Not brain dead, but just out for revenge or miliciousness.
Good on her for stepping up to the plate. Many would sit with their hands behind their back - see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil.

Lighten Up.: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:33 GMT

I really can't believe the appalling disrespect shown just in the comments here. The internet in anonymous but the kind of abuse posted here is really out of line.

You want to make the world a better place? Start with yourself. Right here. Right now.

NewYorker: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:34 GMT

At least in (my old hometown) Toronto people still care about litter. In New York the fight was given up long ago. Everyone but the rich throw litter everywhere, on the subways, on the streets, in public places, and the rich pay someone else to do it for them.

Crappy The Penguin: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:36 GMT

If this was a third world country, where city conditions are truly hellish, that discarded offending piece of litter would be snatched by a mob of starving street people before it hit the ground.
Such piggish gluttony as displayed by Kielbassa Boy is symptomatic of our over-indulged,
'Tums'-dependant gastrointestinally-challenged society.
He clearly has eaten too much meat through his life and could use a goddamn salad!

Razor: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:45 GMT

Reminds me of the time a guy was passing in my lane (two lane road, he was oncoming) when I was riding and I threw my water bottle at him. Broke his windshield. Woops.

Crappy The Penguin: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:46 GMT

I suggest we erect a statue to commemorate this altercation between Deli Boy and Courier Girl near the spot where it happened.
To commemorate what exactly?

Why, the first time in ages this city has rallied in the closest approximation of vigorous public forum that it's had in some time.

Even the rude and the ignorant seem to want to have their say on this matter!
Hey---that's got to be better than the apathy that has plagued Hogtown for years.

Joe: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:50 GMT

Just wanted to say, that I'm glad that Leah was able to defend herself.
I'm not saying that she handled the situation the best way possible, but I do commend her on acknowledging that fact herself. Not just to herself and her friends, but to the whole city and whoever reads The Toronto Star. Good for you, Leah!

Yes, I do think that it was wrong the way she handled the garbage, but the way this guy retaliated was completely wrong also. I say, good thing for people like her to try their best to keep our city clean. And for acknowledging when they have done something wrong.

Again, I don't agree that I would have gone so far as to throw his garbage back at him, no matter how much he deserved it (I don't have that kind of courage). Okay, so opening his car door was wrong, but so was pulling her off her bike. Sure, I would understand people shouting a few profanities at each other over such things and moving on, but what resulted was completely immature and uncalled for.

(And for those who are saying they are parents who would be upset if someone opened their car and threw garbage at their kids, should think about teaching their kids about littering. Leah would not do that to a child, she is a parent herself and is doing her best to teach her child about littering. It wasn't like she was randomly just opening someone's door and throwing stuff at them, she was returning what he had dropped - intentionally or not. It doesn't take much for one to hang on to their garbage until you reach a garbage receptacle, no matter how far away one is. I'm sure this guy's mother wouldn't allow him to litter on her lawn, so why should he do it on the streets?)

But the fact of the matter is, NO ONE, no man, woman, child, or animal, deserved what that guy did to her. She DID NOT ask for it. She makes her living on that bike, and I'm sure he did way more damage to her bike than she did to his car. Accidentally.

If he was "the better person" like his brother-in-law would like to paint him out to be, the way to handle that situation would have been for him to handle it as if he had gotten into a fender-bender, and asked her to pay for the damages. NOT stomp on her, and her bike. The coffee was one thing, that was already too far. The assault on her was another, then her bike, and then taking out a baseball bat after the photographer. And what about the vendors who's merchandise was destroyed? And from the looks of these photos, it would be hard to believe that minivan was not scratched as he pulled her off her bike. Did he pay for any of that? Was all of that worth a patty or an accidental scratch on his car that he could have gotten in a parking lot somewhere?

Fact of the matter is, this guy needs anger management, no matter what the actual scenario was. I would not want to be this guy's girlfriend. He also needs to fess up to what he has done wrong.
Sure, they are both to blame to some extent. But Leah has done her part to take responsibility for her part in it. No matter which way you look at it, this guy was also to blame.
What is this guy doing? Continuing to defend himself and say he did nothing wrong. Hiding behind his girlfriend and her brother with their defense stories. Well, wake up buddy, you *did* just as much wrong, plus some. Time to stand up and be a real man and take responsibility. Beating up on people, man, or woman, is not the way to resolve things. At the very least, learn your lesson not to litter.

As for the photographer, good job!!! You were at the right place at the right time, and reacted the best way you saw possible. Kudos to you!

frisco kid: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:58 GMT

Bravo to you Joe. Such a sensible, level-headed statement floating in a sea of confusion and hatred.

Christine: 1st Feb 2006 - 03:58 GMT

I just read through most of the posts. Scary how there are so many sickos out there... Why do half the "people" on this site keep comparing motorists to cyclists? What the hell does this have to do with this sick mans disgusting habits and lack of respect for the environment? If he was walking/riding/skateboarding, he is the type of person to throw garbage anywhere he wants too. The problem with half of you "people" is you turn a blind eye to everything and anything and you don't get involved. Its not your problem...let somebody else take care of it. Let someone else clean up the shit, take care of the drunk on the street, report the neighbour who is beating his wife/kids. You go home and close the door and don't give a shit what happens around you. Alot of cowards. Shame on you. Are you also raising your children to be losers?
I love what she did. It would be my first reaction to pick up the garbage and give it back to him. Sure, we all know that her automatic reaction to his whipping garbage out the window, will possibly ignite something. SO WHAT. At least she gets involved. Not like half the losers out there who keep making excuses for the guy and saying the girl should not have done that..tsk tsk.I met a woman that was sick of her neighbours dog crapping on her lawn. After many many repeated and ignored pleadings, she gathered up all the dogshit and put it in his mailbox. Well, the mailbox was one of box types out the front of the driveway. I personally thought that
was just wonderful. All she got was a warning from the police not to do it again. They probably had a good laugh over it.
As for you "serves her right", I hope this is a sick joke. If not, I hope you get help for your problem before you end up in jail for life.

paulo: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:03 GMT

forget fines for littering. They never get enforced anyhow. If every litterbug gets his car keyed, maybe we'd see a culture shift. Until then, we all have to live in other people's garbage.

Viva Leah!

Unknown: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:03 GMT

The woman did what you, or, I or anyone else would do if we saw the filthy bastard throw his garbage onto the street. Can you imagine what the inside of his house looks like if he behaves this way in public?

Then, after being caught out in the act, instead of apologizing, he exitted his vehicle & attacked a woman. That is the act of a bully & a coward.

I was once told by an O.P.P. officer that police do not lay charges in the case of assault, but the victim must swear out a complaint before a Justice of the Peace. I hope the woman does this.

John Harwood

Brighton

A canuck: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:06 GMT

You know its a code to live by "You make shit, you get shit."neither side was right and people need to use their heads and not provoke people cuz some day you will find the ONE crazy person that will give you the shit you wanna make.

A canuck

bill: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:10 GMT

man, you hosers are a bunch of hippies. down here in God's America, there'd be one dead littering motherfucker, and our heroine's camo shorts would still be crisp and clean.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

chamoo: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:11 GMT

I have always wanted to do this to the shit heads out there that either throw their food or cigarettes out the window. Like the world is their garbage and the mentality that "oh well, someone will pick it up". Good for her, oh wait it was a female, what a tough guy beating up a woman. You're a loser pal!!!

bill: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:14 GMT

man, you hosers are a bunch of hippies. down here in God's America, there'd be one dead littering motherfucker, and our heroine's camo shorts would still be crisp and clean.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

OH, IT'S BECAUSE WE ALWAYS CARRY GUNS

Cedar Waxwing: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:16 GMT

I think they are both idiots and need anger management help.

I don't condone the motorists actions but I don't think Leah's actions were warranted either. I figure I would be mighty pissed if someone threw something at me even if it was my own trash.

Further I certainly hope that Leah is the angel she paints herself as. Most bike couriers I know are nothing more than hooligans. They ride around quick like a bunny without much regard to motorists or pedestrians. They don't signal, etc etc. I know I used to know many nad have been nearly run over or hit many of them in my adventures in a few different cities.

basically I don't feel for either of these people.

Matthew Bergin: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:23 GMT

If you litter you deserve to get it thrown back in your face. If he had taken his garbage home and disposed of it properly none of this would have happened. Littering is DISGUSTING it ranks right up there with spitting on the sidewalk. You assholes in motor vehicles aren't content with polluting the air, you have to disfigure the landscape as well. I for one applaud Leah's actions and if I had of been there I would have given her a hand.

me :): Leah ! weeeeeeeee you rule xxxxxx

vince: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:23 GMT

In LEGAL terms, the motorist may be charged for littering, but ultimately, the courier girl is at fault for vandalising his car. Although some of you may want the man to go to jail, that's not how the legal system works. If convicted, the courier girl would certainly go to jail.

Jason H : 1st Feb 2006 - 04:26 GMT

I've done the same thing as Leah before - kind of. I've never opened a car door, but I've absolutely given litterbugs' garbage back to them - and I'll do it again.

I wouldn't open their door to do it.

He's CLEARLY the psycho here.

Leah should absolutely press charges against him.

It's interesting that most of the commenters have made up their own versions of what happened to justify their immediate emotional reactions.

This is NOT a motorist vs. cyclist issue, and it's NOT a man vs. woman issue.

.mac: vince...you're an idiot

Devon: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:34 GMT

This is the funniest thing I have ever read...

I can't defend this guy for tossing food out of his car like that. That is something I would never do.

BUT

If you're going to throw food garbage into a guys lap inside his car, you'd better be a 250 lb body builder and not a waify, [probably] vegan, hemp-wearing, soy-granola eating bike courier.

And then she keyed his car!!! I hoped he would have taken her bicycle apart spoke by spoke, and then fed that self-righteous douche the gutter-patty.

Uncle Jerky: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:36 GMT


The White Vest Girl ought to be single in the near future, what with hubby going to jail, either for the road rage incident or for future domestic abuse.

When this happens, White Vest Girl, will you go out with me on a date?

Just a Courier : 1st Feb 2006 - 04:37 GMT

FYI, Leah is definitely NOT a lesbian, she is a very pretty chick with a sweet personality. Not a 'crazy bitch' by any means. I've known her for a few years.

Mr.Motorist must be blind if he couldn't work out she was a she. Sounds like the happy couple sat down and drew up a list of possible scenarios they could get away with. Funny how ms.whitevest forgot to mention the damage to the surrounding property her 'man' caused....

If I had been there, his face would've been through his windscreen. Only a pussy picks on a girl.

I bet he has a really small penis too ;)

See ya @ Starbucks Leah :-)


Joe: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:39 GMT

My VERDICT: THE GIRL WHO THREW THE GARBAGE INTO THE CAR IS FUCKED UP! WHO EVER HEARD OF DEFACING SOMEONE"S PROPERTY TO MAKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STATEMENT? SHE DESERVED TO GET SLAPPED FOR DOING THAT AND PUT IN HER PLACE. DON"T EVER DO THAT TO ANYONE AGAIN. WHO THE HELL DID SHE THINK SHE WAS?
THE GUY WHO STOPPED THE CAR AND LITTERED IS ALSO FUCKED UP! WHOEVER HEARD OF HITTING A WOMAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY BECAUSE OF YOUR CAR!
THE UNSPOKEN PART WHICH ALSO DESERVES MENTION>>>>>>
THE GUY"S GIRLFRIEND WHO SAT IN THE CAR AND DID NOT CONTROL HER MAN IS ALSO A FUCKING DYKE> CONTROL YOUR BOYFRIEND!
I GUESS TORONTO IS CHANGING.

motorist: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:43 GMT

That bitch biker should have just MINDED HER OWN BUSINESS!!

sonjay: Another day @ the office :|

Foster: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:43 GMT

Joe, I guess this sort of story just draws you dicks out of the woodwork...too bad :(

Foster: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:43 GMT

Joe, I guess this sort of story just draws you dicks out of the woodwork...too bad :(

motorist: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:46 GMT

I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. She was completely justified. I apologize.

just a thought: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:50 GMT

After trying to decipher the comments made by both the "White Vest Woman" & "serves her right", why do I think the brother and the fiance are one in the same? Would explain alot.

I don't like to pick on grammar, but, their posts are difficult to read.

And, the mentality of this statement (made from "serves her right") probably explains this entire incident "shes lucky she dont live in Iraq where legally she could have been shot dead by the guy"

Keep burying yourself dude.

joe replying to foster: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:52 GMT

it's cunts like you who don't understand that no person has the right to deface the property of another person. you don't understand that because you're obsessed with the moral currency of the women's lib movement, and believe every food throwing cunt should be looked upon as a victim because she's a woman. Hopefully this action will serve as at the very least a cautionary tale to women like that who can't control themselves and expect the world to move aside.

Bennett: I don't need the girl.

Photowriter: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:57 GMT

Boy reading through these posts is just a little bit scary. Does everyone really have that much of the same pent up rage that motivate these two to engage in a physical conflict had? Isn't it exactly the same frustration against "life in the city" and "the insults to our sensibilities" that we all experience? Can we not deal with it without resorting to seeing either of these two as sinners or saints or both?

anon (216.167.232.111): 1st Feb 2006 - 04:58 GMT

Kudos to Leah for attempting to educate this moron on socially unacceptable behaviour. I'm sure this is the same breed of special person who believes able bodied souls can park in handicapped parking spots. I see it tonight "Angry guy is home, thinkin how the hell can I show my face in public tomorrow". If your his employer, I betch ya he's bookin off sick and lookin for a new image" On the other hand I'm sure Leah will be getting many congratulatory pats on the back. I hope anyone who knows this loser gives him a piece of their mind.

alex replying to joe: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:59 GMT

I agree with you joe. hope that people are reading

John: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:00 GMT

Foster, Joe probably has a small penis ;) that's why he's so upset.

sonjay: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:01 GMT

nother note , leah crazy 4 making yer point, hope u see something from this. But really, "guy" looks like he should be in ufc , leah is a sweet looking girl, like u would want to hit her, never mind guys should be hitting girls period.
power to th a couriers!! peace !

Peter Dohnal: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:02 GMT

This guy is my hero!!!
I wish i could slap around women like that too!!
Men are superior
Thank you

skeet skeet

John: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:03 GMT

agreed anon. If you know this dude, point and laugh, point and laugh

Nina: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:03 GMT

Interesting to read what everyone is saying. That idiot Argent47 who filed charges against a homeless person who threw a butt at you that you threw out your car... well.. what a proud moment for you. And, JayMTL, u r an idiot!!!Leah did not key the guy's car. And if she did, so what. SHe's a superstar in my books. Front page of the Toronto Star. You rock girl!! Nice to know what this asshole looks like... See if someone throws coffee at him now. His girlfriend must be so proud of her asshole. I'd be wearing dark glasses and dumping his ass if I was her! We need more people like Leah around. Leah, Kael picks up garbage too in the park and throws it away. He's only 2 and knows what's right... All you adults listening??? We just walk over garbage, immune to it, pretending its not there, with a "I didn't do it" attitude", which sucks. Our children don't have that bad approach to life and I'm glad we both teach our son's to respect the world. I would have done the same thing, Leah. You are one solid chick!! Glad to know ya!! :)

Peter Dohnal: John ur a bitch too

bill: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:04 GMT

i have a gun. i could kill that guy if someone gave me his address...
As for the little lady who couldn't keep her hands to herself, i admire your stupidity sweetheart. if you'd lived in my county, they'd have notified your daddy. he'd of beat the tar out of you himself. keep your hands off other people's possession.s

Arrgghhhhh - T.O.: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:05 GMT

So littering gets Leah and a few others here really upset...wow!!...Fine he littered, he deserved the end results....I have no sympathy for him or her......she's just lucky he was a scrawny turd.....Can't stand littering much either...right up there with a few common disrespectfull acts...oh like.....people who walk their dogs and don't clean up its SHIT!!....airport limousines who think the passing lane of the highway was paved just for them....or bike couriers who constantly complain about cars that don't share the road all the while running though red lights weaving in and out of cars, not obeying any traffic signals, jumping the sidewalk to road whenever it suits them.........best of all are the ones that hitch rides by hanging on to your car.........I wonder if the one I beat the shit out of years ago still does???....or do you think he now listens to people after they tell him to "stop hanging on to my car" for the third time!!!...see we all do things that piss others off.....they were both in the wrong....the cops should have charged them both, and not left it up to them!!!!!!

Peter Dohnal: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:06 GMT

Nina wish you were a man don't you
women are hopless

fearz: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:06 GMT

Wow, that guys a fucking pussy, he has to fight a girl. Piece of shit faggot ass, look at that white trash. Heres to ya ,,|,,

joe responding to JOHN: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:07 GMT

JOHN why are you talking about my penis?
This forum was to discuss women's aggression, and is not supposed to be a public outlet for closet homosexuals.
worry a little bit more about your own penis and leave my penis for myself.

da boss: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:07 GMT

lets break this down.
1st. sure glad they were white. everybody is alive.
2nd. the guy should have seen it comming. She is the product of a white education.
3rd. do you think a Muslim woman would do what she did? dont think so.

alex : john you fag

Kevin: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:10 GMT

Innocent people don't remain anonymous. Leah outed herself. Come on. Out the psychopath. Post his name, address and place of work.

Peter Dohnal: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:10 GMT

da boss
u really want a white woman but cant get her can you

Keri: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:10 GMT

Peter, I bet you haven't been laid in a long, long time. Somehow though, I still feel attracted to your macho bravado...maybe it's that sexy last name, Doo-nahl, or maybe it's your inferiority complex....mommy didn't love you?

fearz: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:11 GMT

then again, that lady is some strict shit because she makes her daughter pick up 10 pieces of garbage for her to play. Learn to be an easy going mom.

Peter Dohnal: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:12 GMT

keri call me 416 765 4311
i am mocho and it is D O NALL

yoshi: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:13 GMT

i don't know leah, but i sure wish i did, she is my new hero. it is true that what she did was rash and foolish, but sometimes you just have to go with your first reaction. i have had 2 similar situations in my past, and i count myself lucky for not getting killed or beat up, but you know what? i sleep well, knowing that i stand by my convictions, and if i ever die for that, at least i died with pride. i am not advocating violence, but you have to express outrage when shit like this happens...tossing litter back into a perpetrator's car is totally justified...it is not assault. i do not know if the paintscratch was deliberate...i sure hope not, because that would be crossing the line. she has the right to demand that people don't litter, but damaging property, or actual assault just lowers you to their level.

rock on, leah!
some day we will live on a clean world...

Provoking: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:13 GMT

Wow, the name calling. I've never read so much trash - towards both of these individuals. Hey, let's see some more compassion here. Without it, we're all likely to have our faces plastered publically in our worst hour. I honestly can't differentiate the name callers (on both sides) from Leah and the motorist. Gosh, I sort of fear for her safety after reading some of the comments here.

I'm sorry you overreacted dude. I'm sorry you got attacked lady.

I'm a Canadian living in a third world country: Here - heaps of litter, it's really gross. Also there is a mob justice mentality. Thieves are found a few days later, dead in some field. Be glad you can live in such a clean and just nation, well, it's not Switzerland, but Canada is kind of clean.

FT: Yeah post up this jerks name, asshole.

Jari Kurri: Keri you sound hot

OHBOY: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:17 GMT

Arrgghhhhh - T.O.: very well put

the guy did not beat her up, he was jsut hollding her, thats different from kicking in the face

Alfred: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:19 GMT

The Motorist should spend at least a couple of months for littering. Toronto is our city, not the living room, washroom or garage of the motorist. He MUST learn once and for all to keep the trast to his house. By the way we should send a truck full of trast, bump it in if lawn, to see if he likes the idea.

Roberto: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:19 GMT

Im living here in Toronto and you know Im from South America, honestly I never seen something like this,,,,,...Back home...

This is the first World? Ohhhh , My Lord even There ... The people is polite
and less Wild.....

you need professional help....

Jari Kurri: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:19 GMT


why can't we all just get along, and why can't keri just hold me tonight

SmokedOutInTheDot: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:20 GMT

ooogle boogle... you all stopped making sense hours ago...

Jari Kurri: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:21 GMT

Roberto you type like you talk, take some ESL classes

Jari Kurri: SmokedOut how about you SmokeOut my cock

emily: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:26 GMT

everyone really needs to calm down.

i'd like to point out that while there is physical contact in the photos, it does not appear that either is actually hurting the other. and leah didn't make any mention of being hurt in her posts. so while it may hold to the legal definition of assault, no one got beat up. most people have reacted in similar ways to being fed up...we are stressed out, someone pushes us over the edge, we get in their face. it doesn't matter whether you're a feminist or a lesbian or a christian or a communist or whatever. it happens. it's not a huge deal.

i am much more disgusted by the hatred i am seeing towards random strangers in this forum than by anything i saw in these pictures.

anon (Toronto-ppp225123.sympatico.ca): 1st Feb 2006 - 05:30 GMT

Alex you are a bit of a creep yourself. When did you grow up? Are you a some hairy cave dweller? Do you actually have a wife or girlfriend? What miserable lives they must have around you.

Try not being so f**king sexist and u might get some

Peter: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:33 GMT

Yawn. Who really cares about these two, or about anything in that "red smudge" on the map, Toronto?

A graphic example of why Toronto supported Liberals and NDP. You all deserve each other and the mess you've created in your socially-engineered Valalla.

Toronto has become the "Jerry Springer" of Canada, and the rest of us are thoroughly enjoying watching you enlightened sophisticates show us what we're missing out here in "the sticks".

Dhal Kaur Singh: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:35 GMT

I am a taxi commuter and therefore I am very much interested in this story. I ams the feelings thats stupid helmet wearing one, needed the beating. I have come from Pakistan only 2 months ago...and such altercation by woman is not tolerated. I the feelings strongly that one should not deposit garbage in ones car. Throw on street, we pay lot taxes so city will clean it. I feel bad for man, his car was scratched. At least woman can wash coffee off.

I loves the country Canada.

jhon: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:40 GMT

Yeah, This is a city, everyday you can see reaction like this, Unfortunatly.
But I'll do it, Just like them, nobody is guilty is the society....

Don't be afraid gays is coming worst...

Yolanda -saskatoon driver & cyclist: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:40 GMT

I'm really pleased to see the bystanders stepping in. We shouldn't take that for granted as it's becoming quite rare. Crimes are committed in open view in daylight with bystanders who not only refuse to "get involved" but won't even give witness to the police later! People need to get involved, need to take slight risk, because it's our greatest defense against crime. Criminals should worry about whether anyone's watching!
Regarding this one? I'm on the cyclist's side. I've been in her shoes far too often and as a driver I've never earned so much as a one-fingered salute from cyclists on the road because I respect their rights and vulnerabilities.

Inmigrant : 1st Feb 2006 - 05:42 GMT

Please note the use of "altercation by woman is not tolerated", Canada respects the rights of people, all of us. If you love Canada you should know better than this.

anon (CPE0006257386fc-CM0011ae911c4a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com): 1st Feb 2006 - 05:44 GMT

Funny how all these comments seem to come from environmentalist and cyclist. I have lived and worked in this city for my entire life. I work downtown town and spend a good part of my day on the streets and I am an avid cyclists. It amazes me how many rules of the roads bicyclist simply ignore. Stop signs red-light don’t seem to count if you are a cyclists. Denying this is simply indicating that you are in denial and takes you out of the equation.

Over the years I have had several encounters with couriers on bikes. One actually pulled his bike in front of me and stopped his bike. Used his kick stand and called me out of the car (this I might add was when he had me confused with the car in front that had just cut him off). When I got out, only because I was unable to continue on the blocked road, he head butted me with his helmet. Now, I must explain, I am 2nd degree black belt, and when he got out of the hospital 2 weeks latter, I had him charged with assault. He was found guilt as he had 4 other priors.

You have now encouraged me. I am going out hunting. Good luck you asshole bikers.

Graham

Mixed Martial Artist: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:45 GMT

Fucking asshole, I wish I was there to armbar that fucking wimp.
He's lucky I wasn't there or else I would have made him my bitch when I snap his arm in half (with or without his baseball bat).

Crocodile Dundee: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:45 GMT

Hey Peter, you want Daddy Dundee to give you the bare back spankings on your bum, you homophobic, harper voting , iraqi war supporting bush lover!!!

Jari Kurri: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:47 GMT

peter

you are a mindless drone, a product of your own uneducated upbringing, explain what social programs have been cut and how they directly relate to a rise in crime and violence

teaushayne: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:49 GMT

Took a long hard look at the pictures and you know what I saw? The endemic in big cities now. This is what life in big cities has degenerated to: pure hatred that strangers have for each other.

And this is why (thankfully) all big cities are doomed. It may take a long time, but some day, I believe -- with hope -- that we all will eventually be decentralized to live out in the hinterland of this beautiful nation called Canada. In wonderful and comfortable small towns, villages and hamlets. Knowing each other; loving our neighbours; respecting each other.

The way we did for the previous 10,000 years of humanity.

When were still were human.

Dhal Kaur Singh: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:50 GMT

Your countrys is backward "Inmigrant"...we treat our woman equally and protect them. That is why they stay in the house. So no one can touch them. You make me mads. You are a biggot and do not respect my rights. When I was in army, women were not allowed so u never had man beating on woman. Shameful person you are. Respect your women, teach them not to throw things at cars. This is my wife at home. She is happy and safe


Tim: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:50 GMT

to understand these two gays , you have to be in both sides, I mean like a cyclist and like a Driver...

you have to get an experience like this...ride a bike a Drive a car,,,


The Driver is an idiot,,, He wanted hit a Woman,,,,

He problay needs some help/...


teaushayne: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:51 GMT

(oops; resubmitted with spelling correction, sorry)

Took a long hard look at the pictures and you know what I saw? The endemic in big cities now. This is what life in big cities has degenerated to: pure hatred that strangers have for each other.

And this is why (thankfully) all big cities are doomed. It may take a long time, but some day, I believe -- with hope -- that we all will eventually be decentralized to live out in the hinterland of this beautiful nation called Canada. In wonderful and comfortable small towns, villages and hamlets. Knowing each other; loving our neighbours; respecting each other.

The way we did for the previous 10,000 years of humanity.

When we still were human.

Inmigrant : You wish...

TS: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:55 GMT

I moved to Vancouver last month from Toronto, hbahaha good ol' Toronto, ppl still at each others necks!
Thats the beauty of Toronto, you dont like something/someone to tell em to their face, and shitkick em if you got to.
Here everyone is so hunky, dory nice to you its fucking awful.

i miss toronto and the quarrels for parking spaces, fisticuffs over road rage, and for the striahgt up in your face attitude!!!

Tarun Ajwani: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:57 GMT

Man, that dude should have just bitch slapped that chick and pimped her out at Hooker Harveys. Least he could get some money out of it. :)

But seriously, it is nice that she cares about the environment, but throwing it in the guys car is too much. What did she really expect as a reaction? A little wave and a thank you for pointing out his stupidity. Duh, I don't think so.

Both of them have serious anger management issues. For her to take the inital action of throwing it in his car shows a lack of composure and poor judgement (usually a result of anger and not thinking things through). Obviously he got upset, as would anyone who has garbage (yes it was his, but it was still garbage) thrown into his car. Come on people, no one wants garbage thrown at them. At least he never threw his garbage on her. Yes, littering is wrong, but hey, stuff like that happens. She should not take the law into her own hands.

Jarri Curri Sucks Balls: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:57 GMT

I am going to give you a simple equation: 2 + 2= 4? You understand that one? Good. Then maybe you can handle something a little more complicated: Less Social Programs = More kids on the street resorting to violence bc they have nothing else to show them better. It also results in more ppl living in poverty and resorting to violence to become the means to making their ends meet.

This shift towards violence encompasses the entire community and begins to spread throughout society and catches on.

Jarri...you are simply a retarded idiot trying to look cool on this page. Look at the facts before talking.

Mike: 1st Feb 2006 - 05:57 GMT

Classic case of being a bully, if the courier was a 6' guy instead of a 5' something woman I'd bet 'Mr. Tough-Guy' wouldn't have been so quick to jump out of his SUV. I wonder if he beats up his girl friend if she burns his toast?

Mike beats his boyfriend: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:05 GMT

Mike do you beat your boyfriend when he gives you bare back spankings on your left cheek instead of your right one? Tell me.

Would you beat him a little less harder if he was 6'?

If you burn my toast I'll burn your balls.

I think the guy did her right. Fuckin Captain Planet should have known better. I hope she's going to recycle her bike instead of chuckin it in the garbage.

TS: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:05 GMT

Dhal Kaur Singh, EAFD you hindu worshipping sloth lol!

North Bay Dude : 1st Feb 2006 - 06:09 GMT

I moved up here from Southern Ontario and the one thing I really miss is the beatings. Who needs 'Timmies' when you can roll 2 winos, a bike courier and a couple of mental patients in the morning ?

Feminist: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:10 GMT

As a feminist, I have to congratulate the driver for doing one thing. He didn't discriminate against this woman before he beat her senseless. When he was choke holding her, he didn't see black person, or an immigrant or a women...he saw a human being. And he wasn't beating a woman, he was beating a human being senseless. Gone are the days of men holding doors open for women and men paying for dinner. We asked for equality and now we have it. It was a long hard fight, but now we have to be able to fight our own fights. As a woman I would expect someone to get angry if I throw food into their car. She deserve no special consideration. What a bitch!

justlookatthatevileyedpsycho!!!!!!!!!!: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:13 GMT

First of all, who carries a baseball bat around in January(the middle of winter)? The guy must have some serious issues! I think road rage, a mid day attack of coffee, bike stomping and assault prove this guy is a sreious threat to society. This is obviously not his worst behaviour. Look at the crowd it took to eventually try to break it up. The photo's hold the truth to this guy's personality ,obvious anger streak, temper , hatered; need I say more. He is a danderous threat to society. LEAH, you should reconsider to charge him. The guy will repeat his violence 100%. Just a thought if he did this to a courier in broad daylight I wouldn't like to see what he is capable of in the dark to anyone who pissed him off. What if it hadn't been Leah, but an elderly person or a child for that matter, who took the garbage back. Evil idiot would you have acted the same? HUH? TOUGH GUY.You are weird and a creep and if you don't wind up in jail I hope you get much worse coming to you. Psycho's like you deserve to live in isolation and hell. Hope you get both, then you can spend all your anger freaking out on yourself, not others. NOTE: The white vest girl look's just as freaky to me in those snap shot's don't you think? That is not called standing up for your man that's called going along with a nut job. Break up or you could end up doing worse then trying to back up your psycho for a man. Canada doesn't need another evil team roaming around our street's anywhere.

Uncle Jaja: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:14 GMT

Fighting is bad. Littering is bad. Obviously these two people are godless and in need of the love of our saviour Jesus Christ.

Dhal Kaur Singh: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:14 GMT

I'm not hindu you fucking asshole...don't discriminate me based on religion. I am a muslim and a proud one. Hinduism is one of the most peaceful religions in the world, you shouldn't disgrace any religion, no what matter. Go fuck yourself and Eat a dick. What does 'TS' stand for??? "Total Shit" head? From now on, I will not pick up cab fare from hooker harbveys

My father will hurt you!

Uncle Jaja: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:17 GMT

Dhal Kaur Singh: you are mistakenly following a false God. Repent and walk with the one true lord, Jesus Christ!

john: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:18 GMT

the motorist was completely right in his actions....this hippie courier had no right throwing anything at the guy or anything in his car no matter what...im soooo happy that he beat the crap out of her she deserved it for thinking that she can go around doing stuff like that....if you mind your own business bad things dont happen to you but she had to stick her nose in where it didnt belong and he taught her a lesson

Michael: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:18 GMT

I think Kaur has a good point. You should never put down another person religion. I fully respect his comments. His father looks like a very proud man. Religious intolerance is the reason we have wars half around the world. Not the only reason, but part of the reason.

jonnathan: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:21 GMT

This is a bit off topic, but it addresses the problems of cyclists vs motorists in toronto. I am both and find cyclists are far worse on the road than drivers. I was sitting at my local coffee shop, when a cop set up a trap; he was only set up for fifteen minutes and wrote 7 tickets, all of them for running a red light, let alone other violations that he was shaking his head at (eg. CROSSWALKS ARE FOR PEDESTRIANS so are sidewalks!!!) . What is the solution? either start licencing cyclists to make sure they know the laws ( lets say a road and written test for free ) with the same point system and licence plate, or... BUILD MORE CROSSTOWN BIKE ONLY THROUGHWAYS!!! i like a bit of both. I've seen too many cyclists kick cars and punch windshields of "careless" drivers, i haven't seen any car drivers punch windshields of other car drivers for the same reason. Cyclists have to accept the fact ,as drivers have for years, that there are careless drivers out there, not all drivers are careless and not all cyclists disregard road rules. The thing that will never change though is that a car weighs 3 tonnes and your bike,20 lbs, respect the thing that might kill you, be more aware and ride safe. cars aren't going away in our lifetime. its a shame but its true

samson: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:22 GMT

God does not want people to litter. This woman is a saint and should be recognized for her brave action. The man, as punishment for his assault on the envioronment and the woman should be forced to walk the streets of Toronto and pick up litter for a period of not less than five years..

Dhal Kaur Singh: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:23 GMT

Uncle Jaja, you seem like type of man that come to my door to sell their religion. I respect that, bc perhaps your God does not make enough money. We do not sell our God and tell the peoples to follow him. I follow only path of my daddy. You see his medals? They are for hitting ppls in head like you who dont appreciate my thoughts. I drive taxi all night for asses like you. You ppl dont even tip properly and then tell me to follow your God. I mean, dont your priests play with little boys? What does your God say about that?

You dont tell me what path is right. Wife is path is right at home and home only.


samson: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:24 GMT

QUOTE: john: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:18 GMT
the motorist was completely right in his actions....this hippie courier had no right throwing anything at the guy or anything in his car no matter what...im soooo happy that he beat the crap out of her she deserved it for thinking that she can go around doing stuff like that....if you mind your own business bad things dont happen to you but she had to stick her nose in where it didnt belong and he taught her a lesson

...........................

John, were you deprived of love as a child?

john: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:26 GMT

no samson i just think that the courier had no right to throw the food into his car and she deserved the shit beaten out of her

KillahKhalsa: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:27 GMT

Dhal Kaur Singh the pics you post in your posts are of Sikhs NOT of Muslims, come correct or get your wig pulled back.

Uncle Jaja: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:27 GMT

Jesus Christ does not follow the path of hatred. Kaur I respect you and your vision of my faith. For my faith is blind and true. You are misguided and should follow the path of light. There is one and only one God, the god of Church.

Uncle Jaja: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:28 GMT

Dhal Kaur Singh:

Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate them all. Repent from your heathen ways and accept the LOVE of the ONE and ONLY TRUE lord, Jesus Christ!

PS: I want my tips back you ungrateful man.

Torontonian: Jesus was black!

Dhal Kaur Singh: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:29 GMT

Fellow Brother Khalsa, please do not hate each other. I am half and half. There are Sikh and Muslim brothers from pakistan. I come from the punjab side of pakistan.

Uncle Jaja, you should shut the fuck up!

Uncle Jaja: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:34 GMT

Peace be with you my friend Dhal Kaur SINgh. REPENT from your wicked was!! Jesus is the only way to salvation. Everyone who does not follow JESUS goes to hell to burn for all eternity. Death is the wages of sin! Now about this unfortunate situation. The girl obviously is as angry as the man. Both are obviously not with the love of Jesus.

BTW: Violent taxi drivers are not welcome in heaven.

Inmigrant : 1st Feb 2006 - 06:43 GMT

Uncle Jaja you are certainly going to hell...

jsf: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:49 GMT

anakanak is one of the only comments that reflects thoughtful judgement .
Most of you people can't control your use of filthy language , showing your
lack of class . If your language is as bad as your opinions , then no wonder
you can't rationalize proper actions / reactions .

TS: jatt sikh female?

viggilanty soccer fan: 1st Feb 2006 - 06:56 GMT

i htink the biker was wrong to pitch the food
and plus they think they own the road
we the car owners pay for that road so she can deliver the mial

Crooky: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:08 GMT

So... basically, this who thing was BS. That's no bike courier. Where is her walkie-talkie and where is her courier plate? Second of all, look at the expressions on the faces of people trying to break up the fight. ACTING!!! You people are noobs.

just a thought: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:19 GMT

"viggilanty soccer fan"

Learn how to spell, then come back and talk to us, ok?

big daddy: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:23 GMT

I think if she would have picked up the garbage,tossed it into a waste basket and told him "Thats where its supposed to go.", he would have gotten the message. For her to throw it back into his vehicle or any vehicle shows agression on her part.Causing damage to ones personal property is unacceptable behavior, even worse than some absent minded littering.

oh please.. the courier deserved it: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:28 GMT

I'm sorry but with the amout of litter on toronto streets, she couldn't have used the energy to tackle some more.. she had to pick the one thing that could clearly start a brawl. I'm sorry but when you open someone's car who you have no idea who they are to throw food in.. that's just ridiculous.. Any man or woman in that same position as this guy would've done the same time... people are to quick to judge. sure on paper, and photos the guy's to blame, but who says when you're in this situation you're not to do the same thing?

Inmigrant : 1st Feb 2006 - 07:30 GMT

stormtrooper you should give hool a few tips on how to use image edditing software... awesome

To 'She Had in coming', 'The Motorists' and Everyone else.: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:37 GMT

It's too late to defend this very very dumb individual. Why is it everyone who claims to know him personally writes the exact same way? So "Brother in Law" are the kind of guy that also goes around beating people up? You said so in your post that you would have beat the crap of your sister's fiance if he had touched. Well sooner or later I hope you follow through, but it sounds like you don't really have it in you actually.

There WAS mention of a BAT. Hool's post is pretty clear and he admits that he didn't know what exactly happened, but he did follow your guy and he did photograph his car.

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hool: 26th Jan 2006 - 19:09 GMT
i did not see the beginning of this, but the report goes as follows:
motorist throws food out of window. courier, disliking littering, picks up food and throws food back in car. motorist dumps coffee on courier. courier scratches car with key. road rage ensues.

the courier is female. i 'got away' with taking pics by just doing it openly. nobody noticed me because the focus is obviously on the altercation at hand.

i followed the motorist back to his car to photograph his license plate number. he proceeded to open his trunk, take out a baseball bat, and charge me. i walked away, and was one of only two witnesses to stay at the scene and give a statement to police.
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Why did he get so angry? I mean she threw some food into his car. It's senseless, but that's it. He got her back with the coffee let it go already, but then he unleashes some kind of childhood anger towards bike tires on her. Lock your doors is another lesson he might well have learned. So then he drove away looked at his probably already scratched 4 cylinder and then comes back for more!

Everybody on this post that sided with the driver couldn't make their statement without saying bitch or fucking whore. The people who sided with the driver just either hate women or hate cyclists. I read them all and I couldn't find one that just thought the guy go really worked up because she was just really doing one bad thing after another. Instead it's all she's a bitch. But the guy did more damage to her then she did to him and she was just trying to teach one dude a lesson about litering.

I've been yelled at by bike courier, when I crossed the street and used the cross walk on queen street pushing the button, but the lights didn't blink so a bike courier almost hit me just to make a point as he yelled "push the button asshole". I yelled back "I did push the button! Fuck neck". To which he replied "Fuck you!". To which I didn't reply cause he was already to far away. I honestly never thought about hurting him, he made a mistake and well I should have looked when I was crossing.

Let's hope this pale looking badly dressed dude also learned something.

DK

vancouver: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:39 GMT

Having read the story on CBC.ca and clicking on the link, I have to wonder about people.

To the courier: It was fucking trash, hopefully you didn't get hurt. Some of the pics show you in some awkward positions. Recommendation to you "Think before you act", you likely had a lot of options before deciding on throwing the trash back into the car. You are lucky people around decided to get involved and separate the two of you, too many stories in our cities of people just thinking not my issue.

To the driver: Wake up man, it was your trash. True she could have handled the situation better but no need to move down to her level. Clean yourself up and drive on, give the finger call her names but to jump out and begin jumping her bike and then assaulting her Jesus dude get some anger management classes.

To white vest girl: uhh right whatever.

To the bystanders: Good on ya for breaking up the fight, and those who gave reports to the cops doubly good

To everyone else: I am amazed at how many of you managed to speak to the police about the damage to car, but only two witnesses stuck around to give any facts to them (but maybe those two keep posting two line stories to support themselves). Who carries around a baseball bat in the winter, I am thinking either someone who loves baseball and goes to the batting cages whenever they can or someone too lazy to clean out the trunk. I carry my hockey stick year round in my truck, usually with my kit because I never know when I might get a chance to play some pick up hockey, does that make me a crazed man?

We have to share the road, I put a modest 1000 km a month driving and see stupid things from motorists, who think they own the road, bicyclists who also think they own the roads and of course pedestrians, who for the most part are too timid to own the sidewalk let alone the roads. Al of us have to wake.

Vaulander: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:43 GMT

Dumping garbage on the road is not only disgusting, it is also a bit of a problem for cyclists, especially on busy streets where there isn't much room to maneuver. A plastic macdonalds drink cup hanging on to the front wheel and then getting sucked up into the forks would cause a rather painful faceplant on the road. Like a landmine, although not as explosive. Dumping it back where it came from might be a little forward, but I agree with doing that. As for throwing coffee at someone, scalding liquids will seriously f*ck up your skin, imagine getting it in your eyes, especially if you are moving in traffic. So, compare a key-job on the paint to ruined or severely damaged eyes.
Now, a key job on his polluting killing machine should equal a key job on her perfectly safe and good vehicle, right? Where does the destruction of one vehicle compare to a cosmetic issue on another? But of course, we are counting dollars and cents here in the US, so why not compare possibly ruined eyes and attempt to cause a serious accident with hospital bills vs a paintjob?
Either way, the male should be punished by at least garbage detail where he is forced to walk around the roads picking up litter.
V.

poprad99: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:47 GMT

I have been riding bikes for 32 years and burning fossil fuels for 22 years.
I have been commuting year-round by bike for 9 years. I was assaulted and battered by a motorist in 1990 for giving him the finger. Fortunately the "troglodyte" did really hurt me. My riding buddy has been hit by a projectile from a moving vehicle, here in Toronto.
Drivers - bad things can happen when you throw things out of the car. Bad things to you, bad things to others. Goran Kropp pulled his garbage from Everest to Stockholm - surely you can wait to find a bin.
Cyclists - the most entitled drivers (excluding cabbies and anything oversized) are luxury sedan drivers. It is no surprise that motorist was driving an Acura. We have to be especially careful on our bikes if we have children.
The entitled Acura driver started the whole thing by littering. In the Canada I grew up in, it was against the law. It still is. Some of us, like Leah, still care. Even if she gets in trouble.

Overall, reading this forum, it was quite painful. I appear to be under the mistaken impression that we have a high literacy rate here in Canada.
Here are some of the most interesting posts, as I see it:

over-testosteroned penis-replacement-SUV-driving troglodytes

Fuck that stupid hippy lesbo cunt

she initiated it

I see no proof that the incident is anything other than an art school project. On the other
hand all the misogynistic, homophobic, cyclist hating scum posting to this thread are an
eye-opener. While I'm highly skeptical that this is a real incident, I fully support Leah
if it actually is. If it's not then you "hool" and "CityNoise" should be aware that you are
not just having a fun time posting fake photos: you're lying to a lot of people. If Leah
is real and really had the incident she should be pressing charges so that the alleged criminal
is put behind bars before he either hurts someone smaller than himself or is sent to hospital
by someone not as restrained as Leah.

Toronto is filthy, and it's assholes like this guy who make it worse. What he should have said is: "I'm sorry, you're right, I should throw this in the garbage instead of out my window. Thank you for giving it back to me." And drove away. Instead he throws coffee at her and trys to smash her bike. What a loser.

The cyclist had no right to throw the garbage back in his vehicle.

I think fella needs some anger management counselling. He's got impulse issues, huge.

Toronto is changing. Violence is becoming increasingly a way of life on our streets.

The lovely young woman in the pic's who is supposedly the fiancee of Crazy Violent Guy: Run away. RUN AWAY. This guy WILL hurt you some day.

My friend, and his girlfriend, were walking down Granville street (a very busy street for those who are unfamiliar with Vancouver) when a slice of pizza came flying out of a truck window and landed on him. My friend, reacting to feeling attacked, threw the pizza back at the truck from which it came (the pizza hit the truck, but didn't actually make it through the window). At that point, FOUR large (and drunk) men stepped out of the truck and one of them took his shirt off and charged down my friend and repeatedly kicked him in the face. To put this in perspective, the attacker outweighed my friend by probably 80 pounds. The next day I visited my friend in the hospital and I could no longer recognize his face.
Since that incident, my friend has undergone 4 surgeries and as many court appearances. Two years later, he still can not see properly due to long term damage and is still very traumatized.
So tired of people using Toronto streets as a garbage can - or place to spit or put out their cigarettes or most of all as a urinal!
The other day, my boss was going to toss her empty coffee cup out the car window because she didn't feel like waiting the 10 minutes until we got to our destination to throw it in a garbage can. I just said "Here. Give it to me. I'll throw it out. Don't litter". She managed to keep it in the car with us but said "if this was my area of the city, I would have thrown it out of the car".
I come from a third world country, but the litter in Toronto - first world city - is horrible.
We have to teach our citizens that the garbage bins all over the place are there not as a decoration, we must use them.

What ever happened to CANADA? We used to be known as such peaceful people. Shame on all of you who admit to your violent hatred for fellow human beings. I pray for peace on Earth.

Fat ass “She invaded his car over a fucking piece of litter in TORONTO of all places.”

Toronto is such a filthy city and dangerous for cyclists--and I used to live in Asia....
One's right to litter garbage ends where my neighborhood begins.
she opened his car
If this was a third world country, where city conditions are truly hellish, that discarded offending piece of litter would be snatched by a mob of starving street people before it hit the ground.
Such piggish gluttony as displayed by Kielbassa Boy is symptomatic of our over-indulged,
'Tums'-dependant gastrointestinally-challenged society.
He clearly has eaten too much meat through his life and could use a goddamn salad!
WHO EVER HEARD OF DEFACING SOMEONE"S PROPERTY TO MAKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STATEMENT?

Retired Cop: 1st Feb 2006 - 07:49 GMT

Hmmmmm???? This is rather embarrassing isn't it? Sort of ... internet posting = road rage?

I can see how we elected the Cons. Oh, and thinking about it, how we elected the Crimi... I mean Libs ... and how we ended up with Mel? The voting unwashed have spoken here as well. And probably if we saw some of these posters walkin down the street - we would think they were all normal.

Is there another planet I could move to? Maybe Nepean? Please GOD take me in my sleep! LOL

Having just read most of this, and I know I should probably be asleep - but it was like seeing a car accident - couldn't help but look.

There were a couple of seemingly literate, sensible posts here. Scary, really. You would hope the idiots would be the very few. Not the majority. I assume most folks are fellow Torontonians? Is this what we are made up of? Sniggering, obviously not-too-evolved-trying-to-be wise-asses (Sorry heavy on the tmesis.)

It really doesn't make me feel all proud, cuddly and wanting to just run out and hug someone on the corner etc etc ...

I would bet a roll of cash everyone here went to school. And a bunch saw High School. Some even University. Hell, I bet some of the posters here even have jobs. God help us next time we get a McD or have to buy a valve at CTC ... "behind the pimply face of a check-out clerk hides the brain of a frustrated, illiterate, hateful, ignorant bully." Bullies, more to the point.

All I know is:

"It ain't what ya don't know that will fuck ya. It's what ya know, that ain't so."

BTW, TV from the States is not a reliable place to get your criminal law info - their laws are different than ours. God help the folks who have demonstrated their lack of knowledge of our Criminal Code and/or powers of search and seizure of the police. They are usually the morons that when they get stopped in their cars state categorically ... "Hey, Dude, you can't fucking search me without a warrant!" Response - generally ends with something that sounds like "Ting!" & "Splat!" (Sound of face hitting hood of Crown Vic)

No thoughts about the altercation shit happens. I have seen way weirder. We humans have a strange way of acting sometime. Anger, frustration etc etc never brings out the best. Oh, just like the Net it seems.

Not sure that "walking away" would have been the advice I would have offered. Not having been there, nor having all the facts etc etc - but, I do believe there was probably something other than an "all-or-nothing" approach. If in fact what I have read resembles what happened.

My 2¢

Retired TO Cop


BC: 1st Feb 2006 - 08:08 GMT

Nothing like the love between fellow city dwellers in the "it's all about me" generation.

big daddy: 1st Feb 2006 - 08:23 GMT

Just because people care and are passionate about certain issues (environment)and maybe rightfully so, does not give anyone the privaledge or right to do to another person what she did. She is just as much a bone head as he is! Maybe more, with the current problems regarding illegal hand guns in Toronto. It could have been worse. Totaly not worth it!!! Pick up the dam cup,get rid of it yourself and show him how its done!

sadness: 1st Feb 2006 - 08:26 GMT

This man obviously has an anger problem. I mean, the guy left then came back. He took a time out and still returned with a heart of violence. Yes, the girl maybe should not have opened the car door and tossed back the litter. However, this man's actions are nothing short of idiotic. It's a simple message: DO NOT LITTER. I guess it won't end until we have all killed each other. People are stupid.

culturevulture ( Belfast ): 1st Feb 2006 - 08:43 GMT

A small sample of some of the quotes left after the pix...

" Toronto's like a haven for fucking retards with shit attitudes. "
" Toronto is the dirtiest city in Canada im sure she can think of better ways to clean it up then picking up trash and throwing it at someone. "

????? Great spirit. REminds me why I left though I do miss Kensington dearly after 8 years in the hood. Jeezus man & Toronto is supposed to be bike friendly. The dude in the car is just having abad day & wants to take it out on the bike courier. It's really lame that it happpens to be a lady of course & the dude definitely over-reacted but at thhe same time, all this really says to me is more reason fer making Kensingtonn a traffic freee-zone. If u ever want proof of how lame Mel was, he could nae even get that legal & he allegedly grew up in the Market. Wish I had been there I wouldda fuckin' loved an excuse to fight that dude especially in my old haunting grounds.
U should see wot it's like bikin' in Belfast if u think this is bad. No there''s no snipers here anymore. U have to avoind copious amounts of dog shit, the drivers are far, far worse & the concept of bike lanes is non-existent. U people need to do constructive things to improve the city such as passing a no-traffic bylawe & fer fucks sake startt to also apreciate a little bit of wot u fuckers have got: "not as bad as it could be".

Just-ass for all: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:03 GMT

I am a merchant in kensinton market....this A-hole is not welcome in the market...rumors are if he shows his face in the market he will have more than his car scratched...people people.. please dont litter the streets... and keep the city clean.. Toronto was one of the cleanest cities in the world.. now it is just average... no matter what ..if he did not toss out garbage... none of this would have happened... CAUSE AND EFFECT.... cause he tossed garbage out onto the streets he is now number one TOOL of the day.....

Just-ass for all: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:06 GMT

oh.. bye the way I have forgotten... the city of toronto needs to install garbage bins and recyleing bins in the market...just maybe this idiot would have used it to get rid of his garbage...then again he might not have ....

Chris: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:15 GMT

So where do we sign up to send money to Leah for a new bike, regardless of whether or not her old bike is damaged? While I'm crushed that such assholes exist and continue to reaffirm their presence in society, I'm simultaneously heartened and invigorated by Leah's actions (and by the mostly positive response from others). I'm sure she doesn't do any of this for rewards, but I'd love to contribute to one!

Amazed!!!!!!!: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:22 GMT

WOW!!!! This is National News now! We are really strange.

coolfart: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:28 GMT

Well done Leah....Some guy here in UK just got beaten up for asking 3 lads to pick up trash they had dropped! (Luckily it was caught on CCTV) They are all now starting 12 months in jail!

Dirty: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:32 GMT

Forget the new bike...lets give her a new job with benefits!

dude had a baseball bat!: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:44 GMT

Strange how everyone defending motorist asshole keeps neglecting the fact that he went after the photographer with a baseball bat.
As I read your lame excuses for his behaviour I see no explantions for why he would go after the photographer with a bat. Even if you think he was right for doing this (which I certainly dont for several reasons (deserved it for littering, shouldn't hit women, violence is wrong etc.)), there was no excuse for going after the photographer with the bat. To all those defending this jerk esp white vest woman: How do you account for him going after the photographer with a bat?

Oh I see you have no answwer because you are liers. We all know that he tried to hurt her, her bike and that he did cause damage to the van he threw her against and to a vendors stuff. You go on about how she assulted you fiancee but fail to explain why he went after the photographer.

Why am I repeating myself? Because those of you who are defending this jerk seem to be unable to read about his attack on the photographer.

Untill you manage to come up with a good excuse as to why driver/ litter jerk would go after the photographer with a bat I see absolutly no reason to belive a word of your account. Your lies are obvious!

Good on you Leah! We should all stand up to those who would litter.

As for the multitude of bigots who posted to this forum: You make me want to puke. Ethnicity/sexual orientation/ religion have nothing to do with this story.

To the prosletisers: You guys will take any oportunity to push your religion no matter how tacky or inappropriate. Shame on you!

James: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:48 GMT

THe Cyclist tried to be a wise ass and got burned. What would you do if someone opened your car door and threw trash into your car?

Dirty: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:53 GMT

...news flash!...new pictures being devloped!...we now have images of the guys vehicle!


Pete: 1st Feb 2006 - 09:55 GMT

to "dude had a baseball bat", the issue is very polarized. You have one take on the situation. Many other people see the incident from a different perspective. To you, Ethnicity/sexual orientation/ religion have nothing to do with this story, but to others it is a factor in this situation. In my opinion, both the Cyclist and Motorist are at fault. The cyclist should have never aggeravated the situation and the Motorist should have never attacked the cameraman or the women. Lets not pick sides on this issues, both we're wrong and both should be charged by the police

Smith: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:05 GMT

Cyclist, your poor reaction and lack of diplomacy caused this problem. You were out of line, what did you expect to happen to you? Next time, you'll think twice before pissing someone off.

anon (CPE00079542b70a-CM014490119301.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com): 1st Feb 2006 - 10:06 GMT

That Cyclist should be charge for assault, that cyclist should have learn, report to police, don't take the law in your own hand. If it is up to me, you should be charge for assault in the first place.

onherside: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:11 GMT

Any man that attackes a woman like that has some serious issues and needs to seek professional help!
And to the people that call her all kinds of names i.e. bitch, I think you also have need to take a good hard look at yourself.
I see so many people tossing garbage onthe streets, out car windows - it's disgusting. I bet there was a garbage bin within a few feet of this guy!
My hats off to the cyclist for taking a stance

scooterdie: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:33 GMT

Life long Toronto resident here, you go girl. I'd have jammed it into his face the ignorant pig. How hard is it to throw it in the trash? She should have let the police charge her with mischief and him with assault. With the pictures no jury in the world would have convicted her, but he'd have his ass in jail.

dude had a baseball bat!: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:37 GMT

"That Cyclist should be charge for assault, that cyclist should have learn, report to police, don't take the law in your own hand. If it is up to me, you should be charge for assault in the first place."

And "That Driver" should be charged for assult for taking a bat out of his trunk and chasing a photographer.
Again no matter what else you may think there is simply no justification for this and no one has come up with one other than ignoring the facts. Even if you think Leah was wrong Motorist was absoluty over the top attacking the photographer. Keep ignoring this and justify it with Leah's action except you can't. Nothing she did justifies his going after the photographer. If you can't see this you are hoplesly blind. Notice none of the people who claim to be: Driver, His fiancee, his brother in Law, none of them have denied he took a bat to the photographer and none have tried to justify this action. I think that speaks for itself.

dude had a baseball bat!: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:43 GMT

Pete:
And this justifies the bat incident how?

I thought so.

Pukey: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:47 GMT

That ain't Toronto, look at all the white people!

Klippo: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:50 GMT

RIGHT! You can't swing a dead cat around by the tail up there without smacking some suburban turban right in his roti munching mouth!

dude had a baseball bat!: 1st Feb 2006 - 10:53 GMT

Pete:
Funny how people can make a racial issue out of two WASP types in an altercation. Sorry I don't see how the feeling of bigots even get to come to play here.

People want to blame Eastern Europeans for Some jerks BS? Sorry it doesn't follow and I couldn't give a shit how polarised the issue has become only an asshole would try and make a racial/sexual orientation issue out of this. I can understand issues that folks have with courriers but the out and out bigotry does not belong in Toronto. You bigots get the fuck out of my city! You are not welcome here.

Jerry: 1st Feb 2006 - 11:07 GMT

I can't believe this images dude..

this guy is a complete moron. if he wants to fight, fight with a man not with

a girl YOU PUSSY...

IF I EVER SEE THIS GUY I WILL BREAK EVERY SINGLE BONE IN HIS BODY.

WHAT AN IDIOT ...

do what u gota do....: 1st Feb 2006 - 11:22 GMT

people should just mind their own busines....think about it...

re: do what you gota to in this land: 1st Feb 2006 - 11:36 GMT

think about it....people get hurt for getting into other people's business...why would u...if someone got into my business....lol...not even going to think of it

Phil: 1st Feb 2006 - 11:44 GMT

What an asshole! (car driver that is isf it isn't obvious to you)

city guy: 1st Feb 2006 - 11:46 GMT

HE'S LUCKY ONE OF THE BY-LAW OFFICERS DIDN'T SEEM HIM THROW THE FOOS OUT OF HIS CAR. THE FINE FOR LITTERING IS $360.00, WHAT WOULD HE HAVE DONE THEN... GET OUT AND ASSAULT A BY-LAW OFFICER?

michelle: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:01 GMT

we need more motorist like this guy to teach these bikers some manners. I bet she will not try that again also lets hope her husband bans her from riding her bike for a while.

fucking asshole: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:05 GMT

If I see that guy, he will get a beating worthy of going apeshit about. The kind that sends a person into a coma.

anon (HSE-Sudbury-ppp330088.sympatico.ca): 1st Feb 2006 - 12:17 GMT

if she was so pissed with his throwing the garbage she should have reported it to someone with athority instead she took it upone herself to write that wrong with in this day and age as you see can result in a serious situation.I do not agree with him as a man trying to beat on her but at the same time i can see were he might not have even noticed in his fit of rage that it was a woman after all if someone threw garbage in my car and then caused damage to it im sorry but an impulse that lies within most of us would cause a reaction much like his althow wrong it does happen. He is an idiot for littering and getting out of control but im sure she has learned why we dont take things into our own hands in a situation like this......And the debate goes on CAR VS BIKE!!!!!

Jasmine: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:21 GMT

Wow! The comments are an echo of the incident. Over the top.

On the editor's note that the Star took the photos off this page and printed them on the front page of Tuesday's paper despite the photographer's explicit statement to them that they do not have permission to print the photographs. That's just plain *wrong*. That's theft! Is this really true?

Steve: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:23 GMT

Most people who have posted really are handicapped. They either don't know english (mother-tongue or not) or are just stupid. What has current politics or religion to do with this incident. Moreover, no one here has any position from which to pass opinion on the occurance other than the annonimity provided by the internet.

I think the moderators here at Citynoise should close the thread since it has obviously just become a forum for personal attacks and groundless, often irrelevant or nonsensical commentary.

fred: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:27 GMT

I hope a vigilante finds this driver. Regardless of what happened men in rage should never go after a woman. If he does this to someone he does not know, imaging what he does to his wife.....

kim phibly: That litter is a pig.

Frank: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:33 GMT

Politically Correct Vigilante INCITES Avenging Litterbug. A little decency folks!

Dum Bitch: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:40 GMT

She is a vigilante and assaulted a member of the public taking it upon herself to take care of a polluter. She is guilty of a crime right from the start. If it were me I would have charged her and not beat her up although it would have been most difficult not to want to pummel her after having some freak biker throw garbage in my ride.

Everything that happened afterwards was to be expected and deserved .We have a great system for cleaning our streets and her actions were completely wrong. Leah you should quit being a bicycle courier, obviously you have bike rage and maybe take a look at a job with the city’s public works department. A much more fulfilling career considering your dedication to playing with garbage

Sunny D: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:43 GMT

michelle: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:01 GMT
"we need more motorist like this guy to teach these bikers some manners. I bet she will not try that again also lets hope her husband bans her from riding her bike for a while."

Your husband needs to ban you from the computer for setting back women's rights about 300 years.

~S

Timothy_Ronin: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:46 GMT

Gender should not be an issue here. Stupidity is all the issue here. Yes..he was a #1 asshole for littering. I am sick to death of seeing people litter these days. It's starting to look like America around here. People need to be charged and convicted with a heavy penalty for the message to get across. I think the city is partly to blame here for not getting cops to enforece this better and have laws with tougher enforcement.
She(the courier) was completely ande 100% wrong to reply in her manner(throwing the food baack in his car), even though the majority of us all empathize with her action. He was wrong for throwing the coffee at here and she was an asshole for keying his car. Basically,,they both behaved like assholes , after the biggest asshole( the driver),,littered on our streets. Personally,,i'd love to drag him from his car,,make him lick the garbage off the street and then beat him within an inch of his life. Then have him arrested. What an asshole!

Dum Bitch: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:47 GMT

She is a vigilante and assaulted a member of the public taking it upon herself to take care of a polluter. She is guilty of a crime right from the start. If it were me I would have charged her and not beat her up although it would have been most difficult not to want to pummel her after having some freak biker throw garbage in my ride.

Everything that happened afterwards was to be expected and deserved .We have a great system for cleaning our streets and her actions were completely wrong. Leah you should quit being a bicycle courier, obviously you have bike rage and maybe take a look at a job with the city’s public works department. A much more fulfilling career considering your dedication to playing with garbage


NO ONE DESERVES TO GET BEATEN: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:49 GMT

It's disappointing to read and see what transpired between Leah and the motorist, involving, and endangering the lives of themselves and those around them. It is even more disappointing to read the comments here endorsing more violence. No one deserves to get beaten. An eye for an eye type justice is anything but and by encouraging it we're ignoring our civil sensibilities and increasing the potential for further violence.

It's too easy to pass judgment on people we don't know. How quickly would we condemn those involved if one of them were our relative or friend?

Incidents of road rage increase as more motorists transit the limited space available to them. The solution is not to build more roads. Incentives need to be put in place which encourages smart growth, including mixed use zoning in cities, public transit subsidies for rural areas, and High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lanes on our highways.

Another way of dealing with road rage is to encourage public education in conflict resolution. It may be too late for today’s driving generation but those yet to be licensed need more tools to deal with anger while operating heavy machinery.

Littering is a major problem in Toronto and I have yet to see or hear of anyone being charged with it. There is an enforcement problem. If any Metro police officers are reading this, can you defend your inaction?

An empathetic mindset needs to be adopted in dealing with conflict and the problems of road rage and littering addressed through proactive measures such as smart growth, better by-law enforcement, and childhood education in conflict resolution.

bkfandango: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:01 GMT

Hard not to feel rage reading this stuff. I would have been very angry in either position. I would never have the dropped litter, but I see it all the time (especially smokers throwing butts out the window). I would have felt like throwing the litter back in the car (I always feel this way). I would have felt like throwing the coffee. I would have felt like scratching the car. I would have felt like stomping the bike. I would have felt like punching the person stomping my bike. And so on. Good thing it stopped when it did. In a perfect world both of these people would now be attending anger management sessions.

roads for all: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:11 GMT

This guy needs an angermanagement class. Drivers forget, it is a privilege to drive not a right. Cyclists share the road equally, and they also must be mindful of the risk involved. This guy could've pulled out a gun, something we see to much happening in road rage incidents.

Michelle: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:12 GMT

I can't believe this guy isn't getting charged! What a shot in the face to cyclists. Not even a littering charge? C'mon.

P.S. If I ever come across a car parked in a bike lane, I would gladly key it as I drive by. There's a simple way to avoid this of course, don't park in the bike lane.

spunky : 1st Feb 2006 - 13:12 GMT

Talk about over-reacting.

He litters.
She throws it back in his SUV.
She keys his SUV.
He freaks out, tries to bash her bike, and tries to beat her up.

I'd say there are some major anger issues on both sides, although I tend to think that he is more in the wrong than she is. After all, he DID do something illegal (litter) to begin with, which started the whole chain of events.

That being said, the bike courier should consider learning karate or ju-jitsu so that the next time she decides to come up against some raging jerkoff who throws litter out of his oversized vehicle (which probably compensates for smaller sizes somewhere else) then she would know how to defend herself.

He seems to be doing just fine for himself. I'd hate to think how this would have turned out if so many people didn't jump in to tear them apart.

Kicker: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:15 GMT

Why do people think it's okay to throw stuff on the street? Is your Mommy going to come clean it up? My brother and I confronted a guy in a Canadian Tire parking lot. He had his trunk open and unwrapped his purchase, throwing the box and wrapping on the ground. I picked it up, said "I think you dropped this" and put it in his trunk. He spun around with a pissed off look on his face, but his attitude changed a bit when he saw me (6'2, 280 lbs) and my "little" brother (6'6, 320 lbs). We didn't say another word. We just stood there with arms crossed. He closed his trunk with the trash in it, got in his car, and drove away. I hope he learned a lesson, but I doubt it.

bkfandango: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:18 GMT

One other thought...

It would be very helpful if all bicycles used on Toronto streets were required to have a license plate. The driver of the car was easily traced by his license plate. It is not possible to trace a bicycle driver this way. This takes away the option of capturing the license plate information and reporting it to the police at a later time.

eva: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:19 GMT

Firstly he should be charged for littering - Toronto is now looking disgustingly filty with all the garbage being tossed about and people spitting. People should be charged for this and made to do some community work.

John R Harwood: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:19 GMT

I was parked somewhere and a woman opened her car window and dropped an empty cigarette packet on the floor. I got out of my car, picked it up and said to her "I will dispose of this for you properly", she had the grace to look ashamed

beyond the beyond: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:21 GMT

Ok, Ok. This is a really interesting altercation with a very grey area in terms of morality. In my opinion. yes the guy is a douche. but the whole situation was started when the too-holy-for-thou biker threw trash back into his car. Everything that happened to her was brought upon her by her own actions. Ideally the parties involved would learn these lessons: Guy, don't litter, no one likes litter, especially a fucking burger. Girl, calm the fuck down and next time don't be such a dumb bitch. if you didn't like the litter you should have thrown it out yourself. and if you wanted to see the guy get karma for his shit, ya shoulda called the cops, or at least confronted him in a more sane, adult fashion. I feel sorry for your kid. You make him pick up 10 pieces of garbage before he can play in the park? sounds like you need some therapy. did someone litter in your crib when you were a baby? Grow the fuck up.

North Bay Dude : 1st Feb 2006 - 13:22 GMT

You do of course realize that in Canada, the victim in a crime does not 'press charges'? It is at the discretion of the Police to lay a charge in any incident...they still can, based on their report taken and their subsequent investigation.


Stevie: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:22 GMT

To the chick in the "white vest", fiancee of the motorist: IF Leah actually did say she was going to key the car, does that JUSTIFY physically assaulting her and damaging her property? No. Does it justify potentially denying her, through physical injury and damage to her bike, the ability to EARN HER LIVING? No. Your fiance has some real anger issues.

BTW, if you CARED to look at Leah's post, you would see that the police were prepared to press 5 (FIVE) charges minimum against your fiance, whereas the charge against her was 1 (ONE). You need to evaluate whether or not this man, with these anger issues, is REALLY the one you want to be with. Next person he assaults might be YOU.

new_guy: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:24 GMT

god i think that is hilarious. I prolly wud hav done wht the cycleist did except wudn't have trown it back I would have told the man that it wasn't polite to throw food on the street and then given him back his hamburger for him to throw in a garbage can. But sanitary props out to cyclist for keeping our enviroment cleen!PROPS!P.S is the cyclist a gurl???

Kicker: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:25 GMT

John: You're more of a gentleman than I am, but my way was probably more fun. Understand this - although my brother and I are somewhat intimidating in stature, we're completely harmless. But the litter man didn't know that.

des: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:34 GMT

obviously both arent getting any,and i've banged that blonde before

2no2b: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:37 GMT

Both are at fault. I don't think anyone with a brain in their head would think that there would be no consequences for throwing garbage at someone, no matter how morally superior they think their reason is for doing so. Although she had no right to do what she did, and it was a catastrophically stupid move, he did not have the right to retaliate the way he did, either. Both are equally at fault for behaving like a pair of dickwads.

2no2b: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:37 GMT

Both are at fault. I don't think anyone with a brain in their head would think that there would be no consequences for throwing garbage at someone, no matter how morally superior they think their reason is for doing so. Although she had no right to do what she did, and it was a catastrophically stupid move, he did not have the right to retaliate the way he did, either. Both are equally at fault for behaving like a pair of dickwads.

JOHN_FROMTO: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:37 GMT

Incredible, what has happened to our society. I agree that this guy needs some serious help before he kills someone. As for the blond(girlfriend) I would leave well you still have your front teeth. He is insane. Who carries a baseball bat in the trunk only those who are looking for trouble. This guy is an idiot who deserves nothing in life but to be put behind bars.

City dweller and proud of it: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:41 GMT

Leah, the cyclist, is an honour to our city. Streets are shared public spaces, and we all have an obligation to look after them. People who throw their filth on the ground SHOULD be publicly humiliated - they harm each and every one of us who lives or works in this city. Trash-covered public spaces reduce public safety and enjoyment, increase public costs, harm tourism, and encourage other anti-social acts. Thank you, Leah! And shame, shame on the rude, violent man who treats our city as his garbage can.

Roy: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:47 GMT

All you ladies beware, this is what happens when a man does not get it in the morning!
This is not a reflection of all people who live in Toronto, just the bad apples.

des: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:47 GMT

anyway that's toronto for ya, miserable fuckin people everywere

If you park in my bike lane I'll scratch your car: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:48 GMT

Good on you Leah Hollinsworth! Torontonians have become progressively more ignorant and selfish. At both the personal and institutional level standards of common decency are not being enforced. People act like public areas of the city belong to them. Metro Police and Parking Enforcement look the other way unless they have a ticket quota to fill or, as in this case, are forced into action. Well done for taking a stand.

Jason: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:52 GMT

Someone will hunt this guy down and break his bones, as for the gorgeous blond what the hell are you doing with this idiot. Both parties are guilty but for a man to beat up a women his balls should be cut-off. For the blond dont be stupid get away before he takes a bat after you.

moto: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:54 GMT

maybe leah, who is so concern about pollution can take a trip to queens park,and smack premier dalton with a peice of coal,clean the air bitch

Kewl Dude: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:58 GMT

"Reality: 29th Jan 2006 - 05:00 GMT
Throwing discarded waste back into a car is in no way assault. Any half ass lawyer can paint that picture to look like the return of lost material. The dumping of coffee is assault. The car keying was stupid- if real. The only real proof that is not word of mouth is against the jackass. Pictures. I hope he is turned into a mockery. "

What the hell are you talking about. A simple assault is any unwanted contact. I am sure dude did not want to contacted with a burger. You also have criminal mischief. Dude has got to pay for his car to be cleaned.

Leah, and anyone who thinks she deserved extra credit cuz she is a girl, is an idiot. She started it. She cant say, "time out. I'm a girl. No hitting." That is like getting your girlfriend pregnant and then refusing to marry her because she is not a virgin. She made her bedm now she has to lay in it.

Jonesitis: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:01 GMT

Clearly this is not a case of motorist vs. cyclist. It is a prime example of urban vs. suburban lifestyle. In suburbia, it is OK to disrespect the envinronment, and people you don't know. Look at the suburbanites in the pictures. There they are in their store bought culture, trying to be hip in Kensington "full of alcholics, drug dealers and drug abusers who walk around the streets thinking they own it". Clearly they missed the point, and thought that their actions would be accepted. Such fools. They flow into the city in waves, driving us nuts by starting fights on our peaceful streets, peeing in our alleyways, tagging our stuff, and leaving meat patties all over the place. Then they hop into their cans and race back to their boxes, play some video games, hug their mothers, and go to bed. Ignorance in bliss.

Who cares about those poor people in the city that are on welfare, homeless, sick, drugged, drunk, blah, blah. I'm better than them, I own them. They should feel lucky that I grace their streets, spend some money, drop some dimes in their cups. Those poor people are the problem. If I kick their bikes, that will show them. And then I will remove myself from the problem, since I am not the problem, and will not be part of the solution either. I will hide, in my can, and in my box, with my Jonesitis.

Kensington, I love you. Stay alive. Stay free.

905 - wake up.

Peter - enjoy your stay. Find a washroom if you need to go pee.

moto: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:01 GMT

notice; leahs kid DONT LITTER mom will freak,dont drop toys MOM will freak,ect.

Both sides: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:04 GMT

I have read/heard both side of the story. Unfortunately, the "motorist's" side was stated by his fiancé and not by him, as the actual participant. Both sides are plausible but I am still leaning towards Leah's version. She admits to throwing the garbage back into the car, which was what the turning point of this altercation; the rest of the story is memory possibly gone awry. Leah was directly involved in this altercation so she thinking about the blow by blow steps of squabble; the fiancé was in the car when this initially broke out. Both stories have elements of truth and speculation about them. But I tend to believe Leah when she said that the keying of the car was accidental. The damaging of her bike was not accidental, it was down right deliberate.

Leah (the off-duty courier) shouldn't have thrown the garbage back in the car; she should have nastily given their garbage back to these people. That was definitely the first mistake made but the reaction of the man to her action was way over the top. I'm sure both the guy and his fiancé knew why their garbage was thrown back at them and, initially, I probably would have been mad too (ketchup all over my white vest and all) but to take the route he did to get back at Leah was definitely an over-reaction. The look on the guy's face, the bearing of his teeth, the fact that people are trying to hold him back demonstrate someone out of control. Attempting to take the baseball bat to the photographer makes me think he knew he had lost it, that his response was way out of bounds or he wouldn't of had the fore-thought to go after the photographer to prevent him from taking any more pictures.

Without a doubt, Leah started this mess by reacting to what she thought was deliberate littering instead of thinking twice about how she should act BUT this guy's comeback to having some of his own garbage thrown back at him was OVER KILL. He let his anger get the best of him and he went into a rage which was inappropriate for the badly chosen action that Leah initially took. I wonder how far he would have gone if he hadn’t been restrained because what I see in these pictures is Leah defending herself. Her face seems to have a look of surprise on it, where his face is full of crazed determination.

The fiancé said the cops know Leah for this same sort of act but she doesn't elaborate. If Leah has been going around Toronto doing stuff like this to other people then, to me, the police would have arrested her but they didn't, which leads me to believe the cops may "know of" her but they probably "know of" many couriers. We all know, that because of the ridiculous demands made on couriers, they tend to take a lot of risks on the road and sidewalks - I've personally yelled at quite a few of them when they’re driving a break-neck speed on the sidewalks around First Canadian Place but then again, Toronto drivers are the most impatient, intolerant drivers I've ever come across. As well, Torontonians are very "status conscience"; what they drive and how their vehicle looks is most important to their image and I don't doubt that there are a few Toronto motorists out there that would take someone's life because you scratched their car, for instance.

This unfortunate incident has been very much over-blown but it does demonstrate the road rage out there on Toronto's streets. I am a pedestrian that must have a revolving head to see what's coming all around me; I have to be a defensive walker in order not to get hit by a car or a bike. It is time that the people of this city stop and think about how they are conducting their lives; stop and smell the coffee for a minute because at the speed Torontonians are travelling whether driving, biking or walking is going to lead them to a short life. If they don't die because of getting hit by a car, they're going to die of a heart attack because of all the anger and hate they have in them.

So with all this said, Leah should not have handled the littering (which I find disgusting as well - Toronto is dirty enough) in the manner she did YET she should not have had to endure the type of rage she faced because of it. This man should have been arrested for his unlawful conduct towards Leah - plain and simple - regardless of what she did. The fiancé said he was trying to detain her until the police arrived - the photos do not say that to me. He was mad, very, very mad and he wanted to get her and make her pay for what he perceived as a serious violation to him, his future wife and to her SUV. HE WENT WAY, WAY TOO FAR ... just the opinion of a fellow Torontonian who thinks we will be seeing more and more of this kind of conduct in the future.

Heather (scared to walk the streets and cross the strets of Toronto)

To Leah:

City Dweller II: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:04 GMT

Leah, the cyclist, is not in my mind an honour to our city. A knee-jerk reaction such as the one that she made is -- albeit righteous and somewhat amusing -- foolish and inflammatory, and she has admitted as much.

The driver is obviously a complete arse - throws garbage in the street, seeks physical confrontation as his preferred mode of conflict resolution, and evidently has no qualms about hitting a woman. But the fact remains that (the act of littering notwithstanding), Leah made the first confrontational act and the response was predictable, if unfortunate.

Neither of these individuals did any great service to our city on that day. A city filled with vigilantes and passive-aggressive environmentalists with chips on their shoulders is no better than one filled with gas-guzzling SUV drivers who fill our skies with smog and our streets with litter.

Dear "White Vest Girl": 1st Feb 2006 - 14:15 GMT

As long as you look at your "man" with the contempt he deserves this incident will have been worthwhile.

Remember his face as he Attacked a strange woman on the street AFTER leaving and coming back.

Remember how he fought the by-standers who tried to HELP THEM BOTH.

Remember, and feel contempt for this man.

Contempt.

I understand you are a product of your enviroment and may need to look the word up, do so.

Contempt.

If you can stay with someone capable of a pre-meditated assualt remember that you yourself will be viewed by those that expected more of you....with contempt.

lol: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:16 GMT

people in Canada haven't got the character or the intelligence to demand majority political party accountability that waste Billions of taxation dollars time and again, but we are consumed with littering..lol.
this situataion is nothing more then meme...meme,as the burger affects her working enviroment.Canadians have been steered down that same politcal "only if it affects me" path. A sign of the times mentallity.WTFU

mr_walker: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:19 GMT

too much writing to digest. tried to leave a comment earlier, now i'm so text-drunk i'm not sure if it made it ...

anyways, GOOD ON YA, LEAH! i've done the same (i.e. return the careless people's property :-)

i see someone wrote of their friend being put in hospital for similar. it's true, any gorilla can drive a car - i got the crap beat out of me once, for spitting on the bonnet of a 4wd (that's the hood of an s.u.v., for the north americans) who had frightened me - by nearly hitting me then blasting the horn at a pedestrian crossing. the guy who beat the crap out of me was wanted - for _armed_robbery_ and shooting at the police. it's a good chance he had a gun, and was so irrationally angry he might have used it.

then again, if he hadn't beaten me up, i'd not have called the cops on him - and they wouldn't have caught him 10 minutes later, wouldn't have thrown him into remand, wouldn't have taken that dangerous thug off the streets. and i wouldn't have gotten a paid week off work (since it happened during work) to recover ...

so, umm ... don't get into altercations with strangers who might be bank robbers ... unless it means they'll get caught for their crimes and taken off the streets. or something.


aaanyway: here's shot of a scene i saw yesterday in sydney, oz - car rammed cyclist from behind, perhaps deliberately. angry driver tore off without leaving his details. another story from my naked city:

http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=93541182&size=s

p.s. i can't believe the number of people claiming the photos are fake. bemusing. i wouldn't be surprised if the same folks believe everything they see on the nightly news, _because_ it's on the news. everyone trusts rupert murdoch, don't they?

god, so much else i could write, but i do have a life to get back to, and so does any poor sod still reading this far down the thread.

cheers to hool for taking and posting the pics, and again to the cyclist: YOU ROCK, LEAH! don't let the bastards get you down.

o'neilly: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:20 GMT

I guess he was sick of garbage cans and she was sick of litter-bugs. Their self-righteousness sucks. But jostling slackers into recognizing community standards is a valuable thing.

Another thing: all the chauvenistas deriding the litter bug should consider that the cyclist chose to engage in an aggressive manner...thats called asking for it.

mr_walker: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:21 GMT

ah. bastiches don't let html into comments?
maybe this will work: http://flickr.com/photos/mr_walker/93541181/

Country Boy: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:26 GMT

After scanning through this all I can Say is I am glad I don't live in the city. This looks like the begining of the end good thing they didn't have guns

Decepticlown: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:26 GMT

Does anyone know if anything has happened to this guy yet and where can I get his name and place of business. Would love to mail him shit, dead rats and vomit. What a nerdy twat.

taylor192: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:32 GMT

Concerning the comment: Argent47: 27th Jan 2006 - 21:01 GMT

Somehow throwing litter on public property is just littering, throwing it on private property is destruction of private property. If you throw your cigarette out, expect to get it back. I find all kinds of cigarettes stuck in the grill of my car that other motorists throw from their vehicles, thus I cna charge you all with destruction of private property for ruining my grill!

Smokers are the worst offenders for littering and I look forward to the Ontario wide ban this May. In California smoking has been banned from public beaches for litter, not health. Clean up your act, or next time you flick a butt, if it somehow 'bounces' back and hits you, remember who threw it first.

Ctos: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:34 GMT

Michelle and other supporters of insane drivers;

We need more people like the biker lady. I lived in the market for 6 years and was constantly offended by out of hood drivers thinking that because local merchants PAY for litter to be collected they can just dump their crap on the street. How would you feel if I came to your hood and dumped my garbage all over your front lawn? There is not always a bylaw officer around to complain to so why not just give him back the garbage he ILLEGALLY dumped?

Maybe the pig driver will think twice before littering again.

anonymouse: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:34 GMT

From I heart Kensington: 31st Jan 2006 - 22:23 GMT
"he was driving a 4 cylinder car NOT an SUV."

The SUV belongs to the son of the egg wholesale lady on the opposite side of Augusta. It's parked there all the time.

Mr.Bean: The guy has not been charged with anything,

The Mikey: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:43 GMT

Would someone please:- 1) Give the blonde fiance the address and phone number for the nearest women's shelter - she'll need it for sure; 2) Give the bike courier an anti-self righteousness pill; 3)Give Mr. Thuggo some anger management lessons 3) Give the brother (and half the posters on this site) I.Q. tests and a remedial writing course.
Toronto has far, far too much of its share of wankers!

The Mikey: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:43 GMT

Would someone please:- 1) Give the blonde fiance the address and phone number for the nearest women's shelter - she'll need it for sure; 2) Give the bike courier an anti-self righteousness pill; 3)Give Mr. Thuggo some anger management lessons 3) Give the brother (and half the posters on this site) I.Q. tests and a remedial writing course.
Toronto has far, far too much of its share of wankers!

Mr.Bean: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:47 GMT

bill: 1st Feb 2006 - 04:14 GMT
man, you hosers are a bunch of hippies. down here in God's America, there'd be one dead littering motherfucker, and our heroine's camo shorts would still be crisp and clean.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

OH, IT'S BECAUSE WE ALWAYS CARRY GUNS

Well I was watching 'The Amazing Race' on TV and a family from Florida dumped their fast food garbage out the window of their SUV towards a competing team on the highway. These litterbugs should have been shot and pissed on, and then charged with littering your great America. Afterall, it was shown on national TV.

Brad: 1st Feb 2006 - 14:52 GMT

Bravo to Leah.....
It takes conviction to standup to the world, when something is wrong and you know it. In the big city everyone sits back and wants someone else to be responsible. One comment was why didn't she let the police handle it.... Why? If someone is doing something that is WRONG, and against the law, tell them!! stop them. Another comment said, he might have had a gun!! Please......a handful of gang/drug shootings and we are now so scared we cannot stop someone from littering.............
I was not there to see/here what happened. But if it was initiated by the throwing trash on the street, then Leah acted accordingly. She responded ...........when she knew it was wrong. She was not a bystander complaining about the trash in the city, a bystander complaining about the high taxes because we have to pay someone to clean the streets, a bystander complaining about the rudeness in the city.

Wake up Toronto.................Respond

Torontonian : 1st Feb 2006 - 14:54 GMT

aHAHAaah!!dis has got to be the funniest thing i ever read!! The courier lady has issues bout keeping the world clean..and the motorist has problems wid anger…anger iz trouble dude..loose it..its gonna cost ya ppl!! It gets everyone in trouble!!y don’t ppl just learn to get along!!!wht has the world come too!!!

DRIVER: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:01 GMT

hello my name is alex solski and i just wanna say that i had the reaction that i did simply because this ugly dyke threw the litter right in my girlfriends beautiful face.and i dont give a fuck what you people think if somebody did this to your girlfriend you wouldn't put up with it either.b-sides i didnt attack a lady i attacked a man wannabe,and her dyke of a girlfriend wich you can see in picture number 8 was the first to attack me,as you can see.dont miss judje me.i was just minding my own bussiness,and the streets of kensington are packed with shit anyway,so what difference does it make

Jim: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:02 GMT

I live in windsor and I wanted to let everyone know(if you don't know already) that this story is being dicussed on our local talk radio and is also getting overseas attention.

des: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:16 GMT

nevermind knowing you canadians this girl is so worried with the street beeing clean ,but i bet her house is a dump.not to mention she probably doesn't shave her legs,if she is a dyke anyway.leah are you gay?

Illwind: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:20 GMT

Two comments:

1) Attacking someone with or without probable cause is still assault and I truly hope the police get involved and charge the driver.

2) Just because there is already sh** all over the place in Kensington Market does not give the driver a valid reason to go ahead and continue polluting the streets of Kensington.

Regards,

Illwind

Vivien: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:20 GMT

Good job Leah. It was brave of you to stand up for yourself and the environment. I have seen lot of people who throw garbage out of their cars. They think the world is their garbage can. It is disgusting and it makes the streets more dirty. On the hand, think before you do such a thing again. It might land you in more trouble than you asked for. Anyway kudos to you.

Me: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:22 GMT

Alex, you're a f***ing pig to start off, and have a lousy attitude to boot.

Clublander: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:24 GMT

I'm sure I saw the motorist making out with a different chic (dark hair) on Richmond two weekendz ago. It was in an alley. I stumbled across them while looking for a place to wiz. It waz too funny. In fact, a buddy took a picture. I'll ping him for it.

grivich: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:25 GMT

The bikerchick was just returning what belonged to the man who had accidentily
lost it out his window. Maybe he thought she was trying to steal his garbage
and became enraged when he saw that he had lost it. And he lost it. He first
broke the law and she was trying to help him not get a fine when he lost it.
And he lost it.

me :): 1st Feb 2006 - 15:27 GMT

Leah !! you stand tall you did a good thing , about time we(public) all stand up and take back the city cause the police can't do anything because of assh*les in city hall don't give a shit about crime and the decaye of Toronto , look what happened with those two rich kids that killed the taxi driver while they were both street racing huh they are both out of jail already . CM RULES ph-uc cell phone drivers and suv's ..... Leah is a hero

anon : 1st Feb 2006 - 15:35 GMT

vigilante courier... saving the world!! yehaaaaa!!!

PBass: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:35 GMT

To the pretty young lady in the white vest, you could get any guy you want with the snap of your fingers. Why are you putting up with this childish, bad tempered, psycho with severe anger management issues? Dump him fast before he turns on you, as he's obviously not above assaulting women.

To the psycho, your images are now everywhere, how does it feel to be the international face of road rage??? Are you ever going to have the courage to go out in public again? Millions of people around the globe now know who and what you are. I’d stay indoors for a while if I were you; it’s a lot safer.

whatever: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:37 GMT

I didn't read all the comments, but i am damn sure that if someone threw my garbage back into my car I'd be pissed off enough to throw coffee at them and assault their bike. we live in a free country, but it is not the place of a courier to enforce the law by flinging garbage back at people. Maybe the burger was dripping all over the place, maybe it was half raw and the man was disgusted by who prepared it. In weak moments we all litter. And what of the folks with babies who use huge quantities of disposable diapers--are they better just because the diapers end up in a landfill?

All these "green folks" who go around riding bikes and drinking herbal tea are some of the most annoying and self-righteous people I have met. Just because you ride a bike and don't litter you are supposed to be better? They smoke pot, but your an asshole because you eat red meat? Do you also have a composting toilet at home--because if not, why are you littering with your shit? The toilet only goes as far as the nearest poor restaurant--didn't you know that.

This guy was minding his own business, and I applaud him for taking out his anger on the bike instead of the woman--what most people don't see in the pics is that he is probably restraining himself by going after the bike--you would be too if someone flung garbage at you. That said, the guy needs to lay off on the caffiene (sp?) and quicksand arms flailing practice routine in the middle of a busy street--I mean guys like these cause traffic jams and cause all the man lovers to come out onto the streets.

Ms. Thang: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:37 GMT

No matter what the driver says( if indeed that was his post)look at your face buddy. Really, nothing more needs to be said.
I started cycling in Toronto back in 1980; it was bad then, what with grates running parallel to the roadway just waiting to pop us over the front of our bikes. But now in 2006 we have certainly have proof that things have spiralled away out of control. And it is not an isolated incident, it just happened to be photographed. So to all right- minded citizens of urban centres who bicycle and want the next generation to proceed along a path of minimum impact on the environment: please ride your bicycle with respect for all others you share the road with. Leah I hope you become a voice for responsible cycling; you have been thrown into this maelstrom and perhaps you can make lemonade. Today I saw three cyclists go down a one-way side street the wrong way. Motorists yelled at them and they carried on as if their use of a clean means of transportation allowed them to disobey the rules of the road. It was a problem back in 1980, it is still a problem today and we are not going to make things better by playing the game of the fascist driver in these photos. Driver, whoever you are, you are a complete and utter jerk. You should be ashamed of yourself.
And by the way, I think Leah is cute:)

kristen: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:38 GMT

this is hilarious...what a fuckin psycho...im sure he's a treat to date

chalk another one up for lawyers everywhere: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:39 GMT

Lawyers LOVE this kind of thing. Love it , love it, LOVE it! Crank it up, baby! CRANK IT UP!! When there's more threats flying around, more copyright infringement, more assaults to defend, more mischief charges to represent... lawyers win BIG.

Ahahaha. See you in court, suckers.

Hank: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:40 GMT

Nice to see that men are taking back the streets and putting women in their place where the belong (the floor under their bikes in this case) About time someone taugh those hippie army pant wearing losers a lesson for getting in the way. But on the other hand its good to see this women on a bike cause we all know they shouldnt be allowed to drive. Also, to all of you that suggested she should use her U-lock to beat his head, I say he shoulda taken it from her and taught her a little bit of respect. I think she owes that gentlemen an apology.

zombie: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:41 GMT

response to ''me''
maybe she's your hero,but let's talk about people in toronto who interveine when it comes to fighting or assault or mugging whenever things like theese happen peoplin toronto just close there eyes and keep on walking,just like probably leah would ,and you make her look like a hero over fuckin garbage?your dumn,not to mention that she probably only did it because she was nothing but posing in kensington market where people are just sooo'' coooolll'',nothing but a poser.

Hank: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:42 GMT

Nice to see that men are taking back the streets and putting women in their place where the belong (the floor under their bikes in this case) About time someone taught those hippie army pant wearing losers a lesson for getting in the way. But on the other hand its good to see this women on a bike because we all know they shouldnt be allowed to drive. Also, to all of you that suggested she should use her U-lock to beat his head, I say he shoulda taken it from her (asserting his male dominance) and taught her a little bit of respect. I think she owes that gentlemen an apology.

mike: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:44 GMT

somebody should have driven off with his car and fill it with garbage and park it where the cpos could find it.

905er: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:45 GMT

I want everyone to know that I waited until I got into Toronto before I started throwing my garbage out the window this morning. I love the 401, and my car. Get your asses out of my way. I have to go pee now. Lock your doors.

Coachrob59: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:47 GMT

Wow!
What an adventure! Two people duke it out in Toronto the good and it makes the press all over the world. Let's review; so far we've heard from:
1) Leah, the bike Courier.
2) The Photographer (great pics btw, as a very amateur photographer myself, well done).
3) White vest girl (the Financee?)
4) The woman haters.
5) The man haters.
6) The anti pollution groups.
7) The anti courier groups.
8) The Middle eastern groups.
9) The former Torontonians groups.
10) The anti whited vested woman's groups.
11) The pro bike groups.
12) The pro SUV groups.
13) The anti SUV groups.
14) The "I wanna marry white vest girl" groups.
15) The "people who don't proof read their posts" groups.
16) The legal community.
17) The wannabe legal community.

Did I get everybody?

In the eyes of the world, Canadians has always been thought as clean, polite and friendly, for the most part. However, we are also known for standing up for what we believe in, passionately. Remember the fisheries issues off the coast of Newfoundland a few years ago. We pulled the guns out on that one. NOt to mention that we produce the highest percentage of hockey players in the world, both male and female. You know how that bunch likes to stand up for themselves, eh?

Leah stood up for what she believes in. To that I say "here here!" The dude in the SUV was abviously not thinking with a clear head. He made two major tactical errors:

1) The way he reacted.
2) Got his reaction caught on camera for the world to see.

Dude must remember that there are eyes everywhere. If you are going to fly off the handle at the drop of a sandwich, you better make sure that there are no cameras around. Remember the Rodney King thing?

Anyhow, just wanted to contribute to this world wide discussion. My only concern now is, where did this guy get the sandwich? Was it not worthy of better care if, in fact he did "drop" it, as claimed? If he didn't care enough about the sandwich to protect it better, I'd want to know where it was purchased so that if, at some point I get hungry enough to want to purchase a sandwich, I wouldn't get it from that particular establishment.

Leah, keep your head up. And van dude, remember that, in prison, woman beaters are second lowest on the food chain, just ahead of child molesters. Be very careful.

Till next time.

Carlos: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:53 GMT

The motorist is an idiot. He got exactly what he deserved. Instead of walking to a garbage can or holding onto his garbage until he could dispose of it in its proper place he decides to just chuck it out onto the street. And if the blonde in the photos was with him in the car and did nothing she is just as much at fault.

I must say that as a driver myself, I have had issues with cyclists before, however, in this case he was in the wrong. I hope when she threw it back at him that it splattered all over him and the inside of his vehicle. What a loser!

Joe: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:53 GMT

to comment on "driver"'s post :

"hello my name is alex solski and i just wanna say that i had the reaction that i did simply because this ugly dyke threw the litter right in my girlfriends beautiful face.and i dont give a fuck what you people think if somebody did this to your girlfriend you wouldn't put up with it either.b-sides i didnt attack a lady i attacked a man wannabe,and her dyke of a girlfriend wich you can see in picture number 8 was the first to attack me,as you can see.dont miss judje me.i was just minding my own bussiness,and the streets of kensington are packed with shit anyway,so what difference does it make"

ok, so this guy (if it really is him) has just admitted

a.) that he did not go after leah because she keyed his car, it was simply that his manhood was insulted that she threw litter (his litter) back in his car.

so that means that he admittedly went after her because he thought she was a "dyke" (making this truly a hate crime), and

b.) he totally disregards our beautiful city because "the streets of kensington are packed with shit anyway,so what difference does it make"

well, it does make a difference.

you obviously haven't learned your lesson.

stop littering. stop being a macho jerk. stop defending your actions.
you were WRONG. end of story.

(i'm not commenting on leah's side here, as i already have, i'm just commenting on this particular post)

John: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:53 GMT

You know what I think hank and these guys are right. F this B****. Shes lucky she just got her bike stomped and not her head. I also wait till toronto to throw out my garbage, if I Didnt litter what would all the colored people do? They would have no jobs. And another thing, if some hippie trash broad threw garbage in my window I would chase her down and shove it in her mouth. What if she tossed in the garbage the guy crashed and killed some children? But the hippies dont think of that shit huh. If anything she should thank God he was white, cause a black guy woulda "busted a cap up in har ass". She wants to stand up and be a defender of mother nature? Hey listen mother nature started the fight for survival by plagueing us with disease pestilence and draught. Now shes losing the battle and needs our help? Well I say screw nature and this hippie.

me :): 1st Feb 2006 - 15:54 GMT

to zombie , I don't know anyone personaly who would walk by and not stop a mugging or call 911 right away .it is peeps like you that close your eye's and walk by and most peeps in Toronto are sick and tired of the crime and the garbage and want to stop it any way we can , Leah cares about the city she lives in most of us do , you as we can see don't so go troll some where else

Check Canada 411: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:55 GMT

So the driver has identified himself as Alex Solski. I wonder if he's listed in the telephone directory? I be a lot of readers would like to call him with their opinions of his actions. For that matter, I bet a lot more would like to go to his house and chat with him in person.

Louise: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:55 GMT

I would like to see how well this guy manages in his own environement, like work , home etc.I would not want to be around such an antisocial individual.I bet he has few friends and I am glad that he has been exposed for what he is , a clod !

Canada 411: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:57 GMT

So the driver has identified himself as Alex Solski. I wonder if he's listed in the telephone directory? I bet a lot of readers would like to call him with their opinions of his actions. For that matter, I bet a lot more would like to go to his house and chat with him in person.

nancy: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:07 GMT

You GO GIRL...read the story in the Star today, what an asshole.

nancy: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:07 GMT

You GO GIRL...read the story in the Star today, what an asshole.

Sean M: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:10 GMT

Bad all around.
1) Driver for (allegedly) throwing out garbage.
2) Idiot cyclist for throwing it back at him (C'mon, it's biodegradable, not like a cigarette butt).
3) Both of them for escalating this beyond reason. Don't they have jobs to go to?
4) Cyclist for (allegedly) scratching the car with her keys. That is serious, and ph@ck you if you think she had a right to do that. Plus it's just plain juvenille.
5) Driver for fighting with a woman. No positive outcome, only downside, and guy, grow some nuts, she's a woman.

This is not about motorists vs. cyclists, it;'s about people with no repsect or self control. Don't be fooled into thinking it's the tree huggers vs. big oil, it's just two ordinary people making bad decisions, and one lucky photographer.

alex solski: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:11 GMT

yeah yeah so im anti social,but look who im bangin.and you should see how i smack her in the mouth,but she's obidient just like a real woman should be.so all you women can kiss my ass.

Ted: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:11 GMT

Members of Urbanustorontoi tribe believe that at the end of the world, when all past citizens of the globe are assembled in front of the great and all-powerful yet somehow merciful god Geoff, all lit or unlit cigarette butts tossed (carelessly or otherwise) out of vehicle windows will be reconstituted and, lit or unlit, be propelled up the exposed anus of those who tossed them. Over the years, some of the tribe have begun to doubt the existence of Geoff and have taken this role upon themselves. Incredible still, others of the tribe are including all forms of tossed garbage. Angry disco boy was only lucky he was confronted by Leah, obviously a more peaceful member of the UrbanusTorontoi tribe. E nagua.

phil: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:12 GMT

pigs? were you hippies calling them pigs while you were crying from the tear gas in your last protest? You talk tough until things get real, then you all cry like bitches.

HRS: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:14 GMT

Laws against littering are not really there to give the police the choice to charge someone, they are in place to deter people from littering; the same way locks are on doors. They stop the honest folks. This guy has a serious problem respecting his environment - correction our environment. I don't condone throwiing the bag back at him - but I can certainly understand anger at such a blatent disregard for everything around you - including someone who has to avoid your garbage with risk to his/herself on a bicycle. What failed here is our (as a society) ability to find ways to really deter this kind of action.

Having said that - it's happened and both parties are responsible for it. He should be charged with littering and clearly assault. She should be charged with vandalism (assuming you dirty the vehicle or marked it purposely).

I hats off to those who risked their own safety to step in!

driver: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:15 GMT

there is no alex solski i was just fuckin around with you guys cause this is gatting so ridiculous lol,i liked oscar the grouch thow lol

Ms. Thang: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:18 GMT

coachrob59,

thank you so much for your post; it was brilliant.
Now I think I will get on with my life.

City Dweller II: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:19 GMT

Ms. Thang:
Excellent post, I couldn't agree more. I'm both a driver and a cyclist, and I'm as fed up with self-righteous vigilante cyclists who ignore the law and believe that the streets belong to them exclusively as I am with aggressive road-rage-filled drivers who OD on testosterone before getting behind the wheel each morning.

DRIVER:
You're a complete and total ass. Enough said.

If you'd posted here by saying that it was a foolish and impulsive thing to do, that (having had time to cool off and mull over your actions) that you were sorry and hoped that drivers and cyclists everywhere could take a lesson from this incident, you may have gained some votes of sympathy. Instead, you've fanned the flames further and likely turned more people against you with your chauvanistic and boorish remarks. You've just confirmed what all of the pictures seemed protray -- that you're an ill-mannered, self-centred testosterone-filled ignoramus who should be thrown into an angry mob of "dykes" and left to fend for yourself.

Oh, and yoo cant reed r rite so gud. Think you could manage to be more of a stereotype?

Erica Grsyowski: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:21 GMT

She (the courier) picked up his cup, went to his truck, opened the door and threw it at him.

Picking on people for littering is like picking on people for George Bush for being stupid.

If she cared about garbage she would have picked it up and thrown it in the garbage. And then maybe mentioned it to him. But she wanted to make a point and provoked the situation.

Keeping the streets clean from litter is noble but if you want to be the litter nazi then you have a different agenda. And that is the point.

Buzz Hargrove: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:23 GMT

First of all, I agreed with the Motorist. That Cyclist was picking up garbage off the street. That is a union job she's doing. Leave the garbage picking to the CUPE Local 416 members. By picking up this guy's garbage, you are taking a union job away.

But then I learned, by reading the posts that this guy was driving a Toyota Acura? That's a Japanese car! Screw him... You deserve to have garbage thrown in your face.

This all could have been avoided if you had been driving a good old North American car manufactured by Unionized Auto Workers.

Voice of Reason: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:23 GMT

They are both at fault. They both lack control and responsibility.

It is/was not the cyclists place or responsibility to discipline or "educate" the driver of his ignorance. The garbage should not have been thrown back into the vehicle. Much less by opening the door to do so. This act in itself is threatening and smacks of tresspass. If she was so inclined to retailiate immaturely, she should have just thrown it back through the window called him an a**hole and rode off without further result. The woman needs some relaxation therapy.

Likewise, the driver should not have dumped the coffee on her. This is physical assault as has been mentioned. He could have just picked up the garbage and thrown it back at her and called her a b*tch if had a need to retaliate immaturely as she had and drove off without further result. The man needs some anger management.

Both of these fine examples of citizenry need to re-evaluate their moral objectives, reactionary principles, and methods of dealing with situational altercations.

Walk away - it is not worth the grief, effort or legalities to involve yourself in this kind of irrational immature behavior.

I have heard it said: "When you are stupid, it's not just for a day!"

Have a nice day folks. Forget about finding ways to ruin it for yourself and others with incedents like this kindergarten affair.

driver and cyclist: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:29 GMT

Cyclist should really get a clue and stop trying to a motorvehicle when its convenient for them, and a pedestrian when its not. I can't count the number of times that I am turning right, with my turn signal on, only to have a cyclist ride up from behind me, and then ride across the cross walk.

Maybe if cyclist are forced to purchase insurance like any other vehicle, it would curb their self righteous attitude, and stop them from thinking that the road belongs to only them.

In this case, the female cyclist was clearly wrong, if she witnessed an offence, report it to a police/bylaw official. What gives her the right to open a car door and throw stuff in the car. What did she expect was going to happen when she did that? She got what she deserved in my book

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:30 GMT

As a motorist who loves long drives as well as a person who loves cycling, I find the comments pitting motorists on one side vs. cyclists on the other to be totally missing the point here. The REAL issue as far as motorist-cyclist confrontations goes is the pure stupidity inherent in all walks of humanity, no matter their preferred mode of transportation. I have had to dodge enough car doors from idiots who do not look when getting out of their cars to be able to sympathize with the plight of cyclists. And it seems that some motorists get some form of perverse pleasure from using puddles to "punish' cyclist for having the nerve to drive on 'their' streets. On the other hand, I have also been stopped at a red light and had some idiot on a bicycle break the mirror on my car as he speeds between stopped cars to run the red light, as if he thinks the highway code does not apply to him. I have also had to dodge cyclists who speed on the sidewalks and will actually come from behind pedastrians and sideswipe them without warning. All these events have happened here in the streets of Montreal, but I suspect this sort of stupidity is universal. I can only hope that common sense eventually prevails over the people with "Us vs. Them" mentalities. The one constant I see out here today is the continuing loss of respect for our fellow man (read that as man, woman, child, creature, plant, etc...) I can only hope that people slowly wake up and realize that the person that they are disrespecting has the same rights and feelings they do. Peace out, yo.

Todd: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:31 GMT

Litter has certainly been a problem in our city. Our mayor has even asked the citizens to clean up and made us more aware of the problem. However even with the clean up campaigns they advised citizens to politely make others aware that littering us not acceptable. And leave it at that.

Certainly if our police ever bothered to enforce our littering laws they would not throw the garbage (hopefully) back in the car and would be severely reprimanded if ever caught doing so. We would have anarchy if we all imposed our own justice as we saw fit.

Of course there is a part of us that sympathizes with the girl for doing what we would all like to do. Wedo not because society has taught us otherwise.

In order of events
1/He should be charged the max for littering we all deplore this defacing of our city and the planet. This guy obviosly has no respect for our city.
2/They should both be charged for assault. Even though she looks to be mainly defending herself. She initiated this altercation and certainly throwing garbage at or on a person sitting in a car can be deemed assault.
3/She should be charged for vandalism and made to pay for his auto damages.
4/He should also be charged for vandalizing her bike and made to pay for repairs.
5/Both should be in manadatory councelling as part of their sentences.

This kind of behaviour is not acceptable either on her part or his.
The fact that she is a woman being attacked by a man is deplorable however she certainly played a significant role in escalating this violence. I all but certain women have not been given more legal rights than men when it comes to this kind of violence.

Devon: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:32 GMT

As a motorist and a cyclist (double agent) throwing garbage back is a little agressive and you're asking for a fight. I had someone d0 the same thing with a McDonald's cup and I picked it up and handed it back to them that they had dropped something (a little easier when you're 6 3, 200lbs though)
For the motorist to snap like that is unbelievable - and now that his picture is all over the place (Toronto Star) he will get whats coming to him

Joey: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:39 GMT

I thought this was 2006? What's with all the chauvinistic women haters on here? Let me clarify a few things here that some of you seem to be forgetting (which I know firsthand)

1. Alex threw a half eaten patty out his window in front of Leah (wrong for doing this)
2. Leah threw it back into his car (wrong for doing this)
3. Alex threw two hot coffees at Leah (wrong for doing this)
4. They argued then both walked away
5. He drove away, stopped, came back for a second round and pulled her off her bike and proceeded to stomp on it because apparently she left a nick in his car when the door was opened. The nick was only 1cm long in the clear coat of his car. This is in the police report.
6. He threw her around and damaged an innocent guy's van in the process (who's also come forward)
7. Bystanders pull Alex off of Leah
8. Alex angrily goes to his car and takes out a baseball bat, swinging it wildly at the photographer taking the pictures and threatening anyone that would come near him.
9. Alex drives away, photographer takes picture of his plate and reports him to the police who later stopped him.
10. Both decline to press charges. (admirable, since they were both in the wrong)

Leah has already come forward and admitted that she went too far, why can't Alex do the same?

So his car got a 1cm scratch in it, what about the innocent guy's van with the dent? What about Leah's performance bike? I can tell you right now, that a scratch in a clear coat is a hell of a lot cheaper to fix than a dent and definitely cheaper than a $1000 racing bike.

If it was the "fiance" who ended up getting the patty in her face, why didn't she step up and talk to Leah? Why did Alex insist on going after a girl? Surely a girl on girl fight would be more fair than what ensued.

Now ponder this as well.... why is it that Alex and his fiance's story (although seems like a good one) differ from the 6+ eye witness accounts and the police report?

Ask yourselves these questions and look at the actual facts before passing judgement. Both parties were wrong here, but regardless, it should have ended after the coffee was thrown. At that point it was even. There was no excuse for him driving away then coming back at her for round 2, then getting a baseball bat for round 3.

Look at the facts. What the hell does he need a bat to go BACK after a GIRL, AFTER he's already destroyed her bike... why? Because she threw his half eaten patty back at him after he threw it in front of her?

This is what really happened people. Open your eyes. Leah has admitted in the Toronto star that she over reacted. Alex has plainly admitted that he has no regard over one of Toronto's oldest neighbourhoods because it's filled with "garbage" already. How insulting and ignorant.

Here are some more facts for you guys. Leah is NOT a lesbian, I should know, I'm the father of her child, we have a beautiful son together. She is NOT a hippy, vegan, granola eating bitch either. I will admit that she does sometimes wear army pants though.

Because of this whole incident we get angry psycho motorists and women haters uttering threats, putting the safety of my son at risk. Why?

My opinion? All of this has gone too far. It's another day in Toronto, although there's a lot of issues brought up here.. cyclist vs motorist, environmentalist vs litterer, man vs woman.

I've just posted the true facts. Read them first and nevermind what story the pictures appear to be saying.

Jesus Freak: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:44 GMT

Hey, like why would anyone want to cause anger and strife. Though i feel that the courier was justly upset, i think that the better thing would be to have picked it up thrown it out, and got the dudes plate # and reported him. As for the motorist, to attack after committing this act is a display of his maturity. I wonder how his family feels or even his employer. Kinda embarassing dont ya think? two words for them: GROW UP!

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:44 GMT

On Littering:

First off, let me mention that as a native Indian, I am so deeply saddened to see the land that once held the bones of my ancestors being converted into a cesspool of trash. While I may not like the fact that cities have been built where they do not belong, I still respect the land it is built on enough to not throw trash all over the place. I can totally understand Leah being fed up enough to confront that guy over his actions. I have done that myself many times, although in a more peaceful manner such as:
"Excuse me, you dropped something. Hello? Helllooooo.... YO! YOU! YES, YOU! I SAID, you dropped something. I know you must have dropped it, because nobody is so ignorant as to just throw trash on the ground these days, so just pick it up, please. There we go. Much better. Thank you, sir, have a nice day. ... What's that? Yes sir, fuck you too."

They have the right to be assholes if they want to, but so long as they stop throwing trash around, I really don't care.

Joey: Sorry, Alex is not the driver's name...

Joey: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:45 GMT

Sorry, Alex is not the driver's name... we didnt' actually get it.

Canadian citizen: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:47 GMT

This is personal.And it should be personal to all of us. Throwing garbage into our streets is personal. It effects me and that is when it makes it personal. I respect what Leah did to make a point to this person about polluting. We may have choosen different methods to prove this but the message is the same. We do not want you polluting our streets. All of us must take the responsibility to keep our cities clean. Clean of crime as well. I know I would have done somthing to make this couple aware that what they did will not be tolerated by the people who live in these cities. What I find disturbing is that people who hear of the actions that the man took on the woman, now they want to hurt him for his actions. That is just as bad. Can't people see that? That is just the same reaction that he took.

stormtrooper: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:58 GMT

Does this guy watch film adaptions of comic books and think: "Hey, I bet this is a true story!"...?

the truth: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:19 GMT

first off,TODD this aint a fuckin date service so why don't you try lavalife,honestly you gotta be desperate with that shity move and second of all,the TRUTH is that all theese people in the pictures are actors,this was all simulated with the intention of promoting kensington market,this was all a plot people.

ed: interesting

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:22 GMT

On Violence Against Women:

Let me first state that there is no problem of men hitting women because there are no women who are hit by men. Any male who hits a female is not a man, he is a little girl with male reproductive organs. REAL men never hit women unless there is no choice, such as in the case of a woman pointing a gun at your child. In that case, you knock her out, take the gun away, call the cops, and wait to make your statement. When she comes to, apologize anyways, because hitting a woman is STILL wrong. (But charge the bitch for endangering your child's life, push for maximum sentencing too) But these sorts of cases are extremely rare. In the majority of cases, men seem to think they have the right to push women around because the women are usually smaller. WRONG! I have personally gone and beaten the shit out of about 30 men for hitting women. I have a problem in that area, that whenever I see a man hit a woman, I automatically attack the man. There are certain rules I abide by, though.

1. I only intervene physically in those instances where I either witnessed the male attack the female with my own eyes, or where the male is clearly admitting he did it, and fails to see that it is wrong. (e.g. the guy saying "Yeah, so I beat you up. You cheated on me with my best friend, bla, bla, bla...") I do NOT intervene when a lady tells me that she was beaten up a few minutes ago. I know she is probably telling the truth, but I cannot be 100% sure. I will make sure she is safe while I am around, though.

2. If the police are called to break up the fight between myself and the woman-beater, I stick around to explain my actions.

3. If I get charged for my vigilante-type behaviour, I accept it and whatever punishments may come with a conviction. Fact is, no matter how noble I may perceive my intentions to be, I am fully aware that my defending a woman is such a manner is in fact illegal, and just because a man assaults a woman, it does not give me the legal right to commit an assault against him. Under the law, it is wrong to harm another person. PERIOD. I have to be man enough to live with consequences of my choices, otherwise I have no right to preach to anyone about anything.

4. I never use weapons of any sort. I may have the bad habit of dispensing my own brand of street justice, but I have the common sense to not do anything that is GUARANTEED to escalate things into a generally life-threatening situation for all in the vicinity. I know the reactions of the guy I fight are still unpredictable, but at least I know there is LESS of a chance of things getting deadly if I refuse to use weapons. If the guy picks up a bottle or pulls out a weapon, then it is time to back off and call the cops, even if I may also be subject to charges for assaulting the guy.

5. I never expect the woman to thank me for intervening. In most cases, I believe I have helped, and I get thanked profusely. But in some instances, the poor woman may be in for MORE violence from the idiot that she refuses to leave. I actually do not attack women-beaters for the sole reason of defending women, but also because I feel the man has assaulted MY values and sensibilities, and I should not be forced to witness such things, as they traumatize me. In that respect, my actions could be deemed self-defense. (Yes, I am aware that this sort of justification of violence is utterly insane) If the woman gets mad at me for beating up her 'man', I just finish beating him up and walk away, unless she gets in my way, in which case I have no choice but to stop hitting the guy.

faster-biker: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:23 GMT

Another sad result of feminism. If you can't take the consequences of your actions like a man, don't try to start fights like one. Period. Once she threw the burger back in the car, you're in a man's world honey. I wouldn't pull these two apart until someone was on the ground getting kicked, just like when two overheated men fight - and that's what these two were. Completely equal, just like feminism said, so who am I to stop a man trying to beat up on powerful "womyn"? She can take care of herself, I'm just a weak man.

Close: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:24 GMT

Joey, Well said. Time to put this situation to bed.

Huge Euge: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:29 GMT

Michael Knight, irregardless of what his girlfriend looks like. He is still a weak apathetic idiot for going off on a woman. If I were his girlfriend, I would do like a banana and ice cream, split before he beats the hell out of me!

eden_clone: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:30 GMT

forget all that , who is this beautiful girl teaushayne.
Hellloo there :P

4 mode observation: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:30 GMT

This incident is an excellent example of some of the worst features of human behaviour and the consequences that result from the actions of those who are misguided and self indulgent enough to believe they are more righteous than the next guy. "Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone" (and I haven't met anyone yet that meets those criteria).

The root cause of this incident was not so much the throwing of trash in the street (as boorish as that was) BUT the inability of one person to mind their own business and engage another as a self appointed disciplinarian.

Do I condone they guy pitching his refuse out the window? Absolutely not but it happens, human beings have yet to evolve to the state of perfection and I am hard pressed to believe that ANYONE is perfect in this respect (including myself). Am I to believe the bike woman has reached a state of personal perfection in everything she does? Hardly (and her behaviour in this incident is empirical evidence of that).

So who appointed her "super-hero"? If you want to play the role of "saviour of the world" you'd better have the wisdom and judgement to match your moral might and this woman clearly is woefully lacking in both of those attributes.

IF she REALLY wanted to "make a difference" and make a useful contribution, she should have picked up the guy's garbage and put it in a trash can herself. Had HE seen THAT happen, even the most indifferent and inconsiderate individual would have felt some shame and embarrassment and she would have bested him in taking the moral high ground.

Instead, she takes it upon herself to be "champion of the world". What could she hope to gain by that beyond affirmation of her own self righteous ego? Two "wrongs" don't make a "right".

All creatures are "hard wired" to protect themselves and their territory. She opened that guy's car door and if a stranger on the street opened MY car door without an invitation I'd likely go into "offence mode" too regardless of what moral excuse the other individual felt gave them the authority to do that.

The first incident of PERSONAL provocation was initiated by the woman since intruding on a stranger's car is a violation of PERSONAL space. The woman bore the responsibility for the greatest influence on the outcome and she chose to escalate the matter. Would this woman risk baiting a bear in the woods? I would suggest that if she continues on this path and fails to learn some common sense, evolutionary forces being what they are, she will most likely end up being featured in another press story some time in the future with a potentially much worse outcome. There is dumb and then, there is dumber and dumbest. This woman qualifies in all three categories.

Enough about her for a moment. As for HIM, an elemental social "contract" feature is that it takes two to make a fight. Nothing can condone throwing coffee (or anything else) at someone else. Again, two "wrongs" don't make a "right" and he should have recognized her as a "whacko" and walked away. At that point, he hadn't suffered any real harm and neither had she. Just an annoying busybody creating a ripple in the continuum. But no, he HAD to physically assault her with hot coffee, neatly escalating things to the next level. What did he expect? She'd just stand there and give him a dirty look? Not TOO bright, buddy. Evolutionary forces are not likely going to be in YOUR favour either.

But then, wait for it ............................. she decides the REALLY wind things up and keys his car. Now things have really gotten out of hand, both parties have suffered some degree of physical damage and she has just escalated to a yet higher level, the degree of which she is unlikely going to be able to sustain. What is the "next level", well, you saw the pictures. If you keyed MY car, no matter HOW justified you might be in doing so, it is pretty unlikely I'm going to let it go.

At the end of the day in terms of this incident, both parties got what they deserved and both are fortunate things didn't end up any worse. I have no respect for the guy but even less for the woman. Any moron can get into a fight but it takes wisdom and maturity to avoid escalating a confrontational situation into a major conflict. Both these individuals fell victim to (at least temporarily) being complete fools and their less than exemplary behaviour has garnered them both their 15 minutes of world wide "fame", may they both be remembered for their folly.

On a related note:

I have observed (it's really not much of a secret) that a considerable number of cyclists have a VERY significant "chip" on their shoulder when it comes to others that they share the road with and an equal number of cyclists seem to think they are morally superior to everyone else. While much is made of "road rage" these days SOMETHING has to provoke this type of response and that faction of the cycling community seems to delight in asserting their self ordained moral righteousness.

I have lived in the city all my life and drive (variously) a sports sedan, full sized pickup truck, bicycle and motorcycle. When I ride a bicycle, I KNOW that drivers are not always alert to my situation and I make allowances for that. Yes, when nimble on a bike it's a pain to sacrifice the "head of steam" I have worked up to stop at a stop sign but, those are the rules both, of society and physics. Similarly, while I have the ability to cut across traffic lanes without warning or signalling, I'd rather not put the driver I cut off in the position of having to choose between hitting me and getting rear ended (if he/she even sees my small but fast moving target). After all, driving a car doesn't require lightening fast reflexes and total situational awareness (although arguably, it should).

When I drive, I try to be very aware of what is going on around me. I look behind me before opening my door, slow down to allow a cyclist to pass between my car and the curb before making a right hand turn, slow when passing a cyclist if the room is tight, move to mid road to pass if space and traffic allows and at intersections consciously squeeze as far to the left of the curb lane as possible to allow room for someone on a bicycle. Why? Because that makes SENSE, is what I would like someone to do when I am on a bicycle and because I have no desire to injure ANYONE or damage my car/truck.

Am I perfect? Nope, every once in a while I accidentally do something bone headed. IF cyclists took the care I take when riding, there is a margin of error and nothing bad happens and I feel fortunate for that. However, if the cyclist is one of those "I have every right to be here and need not do anything more than assert those rights" then one of those small and very rare errors could end up with tragic consequences.

My advice to fellow cyclists and motorists is: "loose the attitude and start working on perfecting your own behaviour IF you are REALLY interested in making a positive difference". Otherwise, you are only adding to the situation you so ardently oppose. Spare us the righteous crusade rhetoric and exhibit some tolerance and lead by example. If that doesn't work for you, consider that one day you will come up against the laws of physics which, unlike your bicycle or car, do NOT bend even for the most morally righteous of individuals.

Mugs: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:33 GMT

One thing I find hilarious is you people from the city, crying bloody murder when it comes to littering, while your garbage is trucked by the tonne down rural highways into the states.
How nice and hypocritical.
She got in his face, he got pissed.
Why is it when women are belligerent they are somehow excused when it comes to their self prescribed consequences.
I don't think we can build a wall around Toronto fast enough.

why so bitter?: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:35 GMT

Faster-biker: Um, thanks for baring your soul here. Your post is a a fascinating study in psychology. Why such hatred toward women? Did your mother neglect you? Or do we women hold you in contempt? Can't get a date? Can't get laid? Your insecurity is on full display, dude. Confident men don't have a problem with confident women. I know I don't. Your misogyny is a disease. Please be kind and don't spread it around.

why so bitter?: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:36 GMT

Faster-biker: Um, thanks for baring your soul here. Your post is a a fascinating study in psychology. Why such hatred toward women? Did your mother neglect you? Or do women hold you in contempt? Can't get a date? Can't get laid? Your insecurity is on full display, dude. Confident men don't have a problem with confident women. I know I don't. Your misogyny is a disease. Please be kind and don't spread it around.

ketchup-wrappers, not hamburger patties.. c'mon! : 1st Feb 2006 - 17:41 GMT

my friend was pulling out of the mcdonalds drive-thru, and he stopped his terribly maintained rusting hulk of blue-smoke pollution belching, heating-oil fueled, catalytic-converterless '92 oldsmobile, to open up each one of the individual ketchup packets he got from the mcdonalds. he spread the gooey tomato paste onto the inside of one of his grease-soaked cheesburger wrappers. as he squeezed each of them out, to the point where they were perhaps about 50% to 65% empty, he flung the remainder, in their packets, out of his window, where they landed on the pavement below, creating a colourful collage of sticky oozing red and white artwork that contrasted sharply with the sidewalk. he happened to be getting ready to pull out of the driveway where cars were lined up waiting for him to finish, and head out onto the highway, and also to begin returning calls on his cellphone. he therefore needed to get his lunch ready for the brisk highway drive during the rushhour.

as the last of the contents of the ketchup packets was splattered into a heaping pile of gunk on his cheeseburger wrapper, and just as he flung that last half-emptied packet out the window with carefree disregard, he saw a litter vigilante come running up behind the car, and begin stooping down to pick up the ketchup packets. that man picked them up as fast as he could, like an olympic champion in a competition. once he had them all picked up - good of him to clean up for my friend like that - my friend then careened out into traffic, horns honking, and almost hitting a bicyclist. the poor ketchup wrapper picker-upper guy, almost got himself run over by another car, by chasing after my friend and not looking both ways.

think about this: it's a whole lot easier to dunk your fries in ketchup, while driving, when you already have a heap of ketchup spread out, as opposed to having to put your knees on the steering wheel, and having to open each packet individually as you are actually driving. this is easpecially true while holding a cheesburger in one hand, while listening carefully to what is being said on the phone, and trying to follow the lyrics of an ac/dc tune playing in the background. you'd hate to have to just fling that cheeseburger out the window, beef patty and all, because you had to quickly make a turn to avoid a bicyclist, just because you didn't have the other hand free, for instance.

so, i guess the moral is, hold onto that hamburger patty! its not the patty that you want to fling - but rather the ketchup packets for the fries that go along with the hamburger dinner.

[burb!]

excuse me. must be the carbonated soft drink.

Ctos: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:43 GMT

4 mode observation;

"Do I condone they guy pitching his refuse out the window? Absolutely not but it happens, human beings have yet to evolve to the state of perfection and I am hard pressed to believe that ANYONE is perfect in this respect (including myself). Am I to believe the bike woman has reached a state of personal perfection in everything she does? Hardly (and her behaviour in this incident is empirical evidence of that)."

I assume you would have no problem if I came and shat on your front lawn?

Someone: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:44 GMT

There seems to be a Joe Solski with the Toronto (Gestopo) Police. Are they related????

Lloyd: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:44 GMT

Now, while the driver has only done what many of have often wished we had the stones to do, that doesn't make it right. It's called justice...and we all know the two are not always the same.

river99: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:48 GMT

Hey Micheal,

I agree wholeheartedly with you. Leah is infinitely more attractive and sexy than fake/high-maintenance/shallow white vest girl. Leah is the real deal, is incredibly hot, and a hero too.

mzvikki: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:50 GMT

Wow!! Guess he didn't want his garbage to stink up his car, only a man!!!

Coors1ca: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:50 GMT

I think she really done what anyone would have done or thought of doing!
A Person like the driver should be taken in for a 72 HRS PSYCHO assessment
At a metal word(hospital)

The Awards: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:51 GMT

Devon – for making me laugh the hardest (shouldn’t have been reading your posting at work)

She had it coming – for being the least articulate, most ignorant and least intelligent individual I’ve had the displeasure of having to endure in my 27 years (I really hope it is you just trying to stir up the pot but I suspect otherwise --- you really should be castrated)

All the motorist haters that feel you have some special privilege to the road and all the Kensington residents that feel you have more of a right to the area than others – for making me go out of my way to drive my gas guzzling Hummer through your neighbourhood on a much more frequent basis and waiting for the biggest puddle possible before passing all you cyclists. You can wave when you see my bright yellow H3 pass by, license plate SMOGGER (seriously).

White Vest Girl / Motorist / She had it coming – Most likely to be the same person (there can’t be even two people with your degree of intelligence that could figure out how to post a comment on the internet – inbreeding / fetal alcohol syndrome may have been a factor so I will reframe from judging)

Crappy The Penguin and ChaRa – for keeping things in perspective

Pitbull – the most likely to have a 2-inch dick

Sleepless in Toronto – most likely to not shave her armpits, preach feminist ideology while simultaneously bitching about not having a date --- or maybe not --- because you’re also most likely to be a lesbian (a very tough call but either way you get an award).

Anon – most likely to be shot and killed by a psycho for sticking your nose somewhere it shouldn’t have been

Leah – most likely to get a date out of this affair

Hool – for the most intelligent and well though out balanced responses

Kerri – for making granola eating tree-huggers sound hot

Peter – biggest hick

Feminist – Most likely to be lying but I love you for trying to convey that point (not that I condone hitting women but rather the hypocrites of feminism)

Dhal Kaur Singh – Most likely to be racist

25+ tie – biggest chauvinist (just too many to decide on even a top 3, some made me laugh, others ashamed to be male and others wanting to mail them a dictionary and coupon for an ESL course).

Jonnathan – for bringing proper attention to the fact most cyclist know less about the rules of the road than their motoring counterparts

Ironic: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:52 GMT

Sunny D you make an excellent point. I totally agree, you shouldn't stereotype people like those "priviledged, SUV-driving friends from 905."

Congratulations, you are a genius.

justlookatthatevileyedpsycho!!!!!!!!!!: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:53 GMT

TO:Vancouver, Yes ok,some people carry things they use often in there trunks, necessities, be it leisurely items sports;hockey sticks ok maybe even baseball bats in the winter. However,those who do and I gather like yourself are sane. No I don't think you are a crazed man, but your not the one pulling your hockey stick out to chase someone who simply pissed you off are you? He did oh and there is plenty of proof to be able to say he is a crazed man. I'm glad you like hockey, most of us Canadians do even people who aren't love hockey.Most people like sports.However, most of us don't just go running to grab our object of desire and run out on to the street in broad daylight ready to use it on a human now do we? Maybe you should reread the accounts of what happened and definetly take a long look at all those snap shots. The guy is clearly crazed and has serious issues. Wacth out it might not be the last time you see him in the paper. With a violent streak like that he's clearly capable of doing anythig look at the hundreds of comments, we can't all be wrong and he's cool to walk around with a baseball bat and ready to use it.Think it over. I am glad he got caught on camera, even happier his crazy angry face made it to the papers! Canadians will remember that face and hopefully in the least he will recieve a constant reminder of his behaviour he deserves at least that for unleashing his crazy actions in the middle of the big T.O. Us Canadians are all good at one thing for sure and that is alway's remembering and never forgetting. Hope he feels harrassed everyday if he doesn't get charged. Look's like Torontonians won't let him live it down.People should feel embarrased to walk beside that dumb guy. Feel sorry for his family, what an embarrsement! If that girl can't see what a whole nation can see than why worry abuot her maybe they are good for each other. Better her than some poor other nice girl. For those of you who think she look's good. Take an extra good look nice girls, goodlooking or not wouldn't put up with a crazy guy like that must be something wrong with her too. I feel no sympathy for her. We all have to make decisions hopefully wise ones.She's obviously not wise. Has anyone forgotten about Carla I think not! This is about making a choice. If the courier felt it necessary to give the trash back good for her. Most people don't stand up for much these days. Canada should be kept clean. He obviously has no appreciation either. She did a harmless act. He just lost it. Has anyone forgot that people have sued for coffee being too hot and spilling on themselves. If that was me he would have gotten a big beating for dumping hot coffee on me and it sure would have been self defense. Along with vandalism, he broke someones personal property, plus attacked her in broad daylight. Let's hope we all take actions hopefuuly legal against any craZy person like this we will all be safer.KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN HELP OUT, GET CRAZY PEOPLE LOCKED UP.

ed: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:54 GMT

Yes ! hool deserves many thanks for this. As a male, I strongly object to other males physically attacking females. Defending oneself from a females' physical attack is another matter. This chick just might be sick and tired of all the litter she rides over on a daily basis and all the jerks she sees behaving as though the streets where their own personal dumpster. As to the poor sap not having the use of his vehicle while it's getting a paint job: He can schedule that into his life. The vehicle will get him from point "a" to point "b" regardless of a scratch. The bike couriers' bike will get her nowhere with a stomped upon, mangled wheel. She's the one who can lose the better part of a full day's income (not to mention the cost of repairs) as a result of actually trying to keep your city clean. Do people get killed over lessw? Yup. I know of a fellow who was flashed a handgun over a minor traffic altercation. He wisely chose to drop the matter and walk away.

Skid: Hilariuos

Lynnie: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:55 GMT

If someone throws garbage on a city street they should definitely have it thrown back at them and should feel the humiliation they deserve. He is a pig and my city is not his pen!

Vancouver Cyclist: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:56 GMT

I have a lot of sympathy for Leah. I have often been tempted to return trash to the scum who think the streets are their trash can. Keying the car was a dumb move though, one she probably regrets. I hope the driver is eventually charged with assault and that their are no charges against the cyclist.

I am more interested in how cyclists can ride safely in urban areas. I live in Kits, commute downtown (Gastown) three times a week and out to UBC three times a week. Unlike some of the above posts, my impression is that it is generally the layout of the city streets that is the problem, followed by car driver arrogance, and finally cyclist optimism. In Vancouver the introduction of down town cycle lanes has helped though they are not yet fully integrated into the trafic patterns. Burrard bridge remains a problem - I have been forced off twice and could easily have been killed each time. During the election one of the clowns supporting Sam Sullivan hit me with her sign - accidentlly I assume and I was in a hurry so I just went on. What we also need is more major steets with zero car traffic. Improve transit, integrate safe bike lanes all through the city, reduce car use and many of the attitude problems will go away.

Harrison from Toronto: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:57 GMT

After reading about this incident, it is obvious that this "male" is a neanderthal as the psycho man has not evolved! The first expression that comes to mind when seeing the photos of this incident is," what you see when you don't have a gun." He badly is in need of therapy before he seriously injures or kills someone. He is scary!!!!!!!!! Guys like him give others a bad reputation - I hope females realize he is an anomaly.

dude had a baseball bat!: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:57 GMT

Again the pathetic folks who defend Driver while ignoring the fact he took a bat to the photographer.
You people are grim.
Again I challenge any one of you losers to justify Driver's actions vis a vis the photographer.

Ya just a bunch of road rage wanabees.

And again to all you bigots: Get the fuck out of my city! You are not welcome here. Go spew your hate elseware.

Baseball Season?: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:59 GMT

What's this guy doing with a baseball bat in his truck in January? Is he in the winter league? This guy is a sack of s***.

Scott Thompson: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:59 GMT

Fucking bike couriers....
Kids in the Hall

Was it just an obscure comedy sketch, or something more?

morethanenough: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:06 GMT

Forget about banning handguns and the gun registry, these bike couriers are a threat to the very roots of our civilization. They should all be subject to detailed and thorough background and psychiatric checks, registered with a central registry and kept under lock and key when not deployed in strictly controlled and supervised circumstances. It seems more often than not they are are liable to go off "half cocked" at the very slightest perceived slight, real or imagined, as well as just about anything else that happens to annoy them.

It's difficult to believe that anyone could support this Leah girl when she basically dressed up in combat fatigues, went looking for a fight, intentionally provoked some poor working stiff with a real job and then threw gasoline on the fire until (predicatbly) it exploded in her face.

These bikies all seem to have an excessive amount of psychotic antisocial antagonism toward their fellow citizens, think they are saints on earth and that they are exempt from all of society's rules. Is it any wonder most of us want a few tons of steel to protect us from fanatically deluded half wit idiots like this?

As far as I am concerned, these types of peopel pose a far greater hazzard to all of us than litter in the streets and given the choice, I'll take a bit of litter any day rather than have to endure this sort of nasty, mean spirited and undisciplined behaviour.

Editor: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:08 GMT

Comments with links to any person's contact information (phone number, address, etc.) have been and will continue to be deleted with extreme prejudice. This website is an open forum, where users can post under any username. Just because "barneyrubble" posts a comment claiming to be the motorist doesn't mean that we should all track down B. Rubble's phone number and harass him/her. We don't need the lawsuit.

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:09 GMT

I find it interesting that despite the fact that Leah has publicly admitted she was out of line, many people seem to be abusing her to satisfy their own personal bigotry. Some people seem to be making an issue of her gender, and in quite an offensive manner, too. Other people seem to have a fear of lesbians, and so they attempt to paint her with that brush. Still others do not like cyclists, and so that becomes an issue. I have seen so many posts where they are saying that she has to live with the consequences of her actions, but I think we can all see what happened here. Maybe other people will respond with somewhat less hostility than tossing trash back INTO a vehicle after seeing this fiasco, but the better point to ponder is this: How many people will now think twice about tossing their trash on the street because they do not want to be suddenly caught up in a media circus when things suddenly get FUBAR on them? Hopefully quite a few. Now if only we had a litterbug Guardian Angel and an environmentally conscious street gang, perhaps combined with a few cops (some of each from the racist and decent categories) and some radical lesbian feminists, as well as a biker gang on Harleys, then maybe the circus will be complete. Wait, add Don Cherry and a busload or two of his redneck fans. There. NOW the circus is complete. Now put them all in political office, and you have... um... no real change, just business as usual.

Someone: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:09 GMT

If we had more Leah's and photographers Toronto would be a cleaner place...

Leah is trying to better her life: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:11 GMT

Don't you bikers have better things to do, like pretend you are Mad max on Toronto sidewalks. Just because you guys have IQ's in the low 20's doesn't mean you can't get real jobs. Look a Leah... she is training to be a garbage woman.... don't knock her... it is a step up from courier...

Todd: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:14 GMT

Ok truth ( interesting name considering your disposition) You are obviously the kind of guy who sticks his nose into other business (in this case my friend and I). Likely the kind of person that would defend the driver and buy him another coffee-get a life

Film Buff: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:17 GMT

I love it. You guys are giving me the best material for my next short. It will be a day in the life kinda thing. The first scene will be this event (OK, well, my version of this event), and will then show what happens to all of the participants afterwards.

Here is some of the plot, to keep you salivating:

- Leah becomes a local hero, kinda like Al Waxman. She maintains her current lifestyle, but runs into some issues with a crack house nearby. The neighbourhood gels around her, and they close it down, but not without some savage fighting scenes. In the broader world, nobody really cares about her, and she is OK with that.

- Alex loses his job, because everyone at work now has proof that he is a jerk, and don't want to be assosiated with him. He can't shake the bad rap, and everywhere he goes, this story catches up with him. He starts to drink, and then finds himself doing crack. Full circle, he finds himself at the house mentioned above.

- White Vest Chick decides to stay with Alex. Her parents are not impressed, but her brother is thrilled, because it gets him access to booze and crack, and this really hot chick in the wedding party (these make for the best scenes). Life is good until things start going south with Alex. Anyway, White Vest Chick starts wondering where all the money is going, and has to start selling herself to maintain the household. Eventually she leaves him, staightens things out, and has a happy life, but not before having a lesbian affair.

There are a few plot twists that I can't discuss until we have financing in place. Anyone looking to invest, respond. We can sort the money out offline.

It is a familiar story (happens on your street all the time - you just don't know it). We will add some sexy twists to make it appeal to the masses.

I feel good about this one. It could be my breakthrough.

Any suggestions for plot are welcome, but i will hold the copyright.

What it is: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:20 GMT

I got a good look at that pic of her.. I'll be keeping a nice, juicy burrito in the car with me when I'm driving down town in case I recognize her and can splat her in the back of the head with it. :-p

Honourable Stephen Harper.: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:22 GMT

Please Canadians, do not bicker over this, we are proud to be a nation that is ranked #1 year, after year. Thus I am proud to be your leader. I promise the 416-ridings that I WILL clean up the mess that the previous PM's have dismissed as irrelevant. My caucas and I will be meeting Friday to discuss this, for how many more people will be physically assaulted for helping clean your streets.

-Stephen

Film Buff: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:25 GMT

BTW, many thanks to HOOL for creating this opportunity. A geat piece of photo journalism.

I forgot yo mention happens to HOOL. He becomes a mini celeb, goes on tour with Broken Social Scene, and starts dating Feist. Has a little fling with Emily Haines before that though. All of his friends are jealous, and so am I.

Don't you love it when life imitates art?

Logos: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:25 GMT

Hey All,

I think escalation of Violence is a preety good indicator of whos fault here, it went from throwing food at each other to throwing potentially scalding coffee,

As to Leah, you got a Paypal Donation Account? I'd poney up $5 for vigilianitism, I'd much rather have a bunch of Vigilanties as aposed to bunch of people who think that people deserve to be scalded or self entitled sons a bitches who drive around with baseball bats for these situations

Gotta respect your decision not to persue charges althought i think you probbably should have

Still if all the leah surporters chipped in 2 bux im sure a nice bike with a litter scoop and a Trash launcher could be built ,I'd make it manditory in toronto

As for those who think she got what she deserves, why don't you go give other women what they deserive, I'm sure you'll get what you deserve when your Boris's Bitch in gaol

Logos

Rai: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:25 GMT

It appears there is a great deal of mixing of legality and morality going on in most of the responses to this post. Based on the infromation available I'd just like to point out a couple things.

From a legal perspective:

She is guilty of mischief (for throwing the garbage back into the vehicle, regardless of whether or not she opened the door to do so) and property damage (for scratching the car).

He is guilty of littering (if he just tossed the garbage on the ground) or quite possibly mischief (if the garbage flying out the window had potentially caused her to have an accident), assault (for throwing coffee on her which could have possibly caused bodily harm), assualt (for attacking her bike while she was on it, again possibly causing bodily harm), and property damage (for causing damage to her bike).

From a purely legal perspective they are both in the wrong, however he is to a much greater degree. Also, the legal violations would vary depending on each readers jurisdiction.

From a moral perspective:

Is she morally right for returning his garbage back to him even if it meant she too was violating the law? Is she morally right for damaging his property after being assaulted? I think the answers to these two questions are where people are disagreeing. To sum them both up in one question: Is it ever OK to violate the law when retaliating against someone else who has violated the law?
The answer to this questions could be up to a great deal of debate.

One other point. I noticed a lot of posters with comments regarding how horrible it is for a man to attack a women, and on that alone based all of the rest of their opinions about her being a victim in all respects and innocent of any innapropriate behaviour. I'm curious as to whether these people would feel the same way if the gender roles were reversed, or if the same genders were involved. I've always been of the mind that gender is irrelevant when an individual is doing something legally or morally wrong. And why should gender of the supposed or actual victim matter either? If someone is wronged, shouldn't they be entiitled to the same reparations regardless of gender?

Just some thoughts.

dude had a baseball bat!: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:28 GMT

to morethanenough:
It is even harder to believe anyone would support driver asshole. He took a bat to the photographer. Can you post an excuse for this action?
I though not. Talk about willfully blind.

As for your feeling vulnarable while you sit in your car? You come off the same a a white male complaining about discrimination.

Andy: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:29 GMT

This incident is typical of the 'me generation' that doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone other than themselves. It doesn't matter what it is - garbage / noise / budding in lines / road rage - the basic mentality is that 'I don't give a shit about you - you don't exist' - I am 'numero uno' and the rest of you are annoying encumberances whom I tolerate - and are there to service me!

The fuckhead driver in this incident is an even rarer breed in that he actually went to the next level of acting out his attitude - typically these jerks don't give a shit and can actually ignore anything that is thought of them - but are too cowardly when confronted - and usually stand there with that 'I'm confused' look - that is why they are ignorant jerks in the first place. But when someone forces the issue and rubs their noses into their own attitude - or better yet - apply their own actions to them, they just lose it.

Who knows, perhaps in their 'devolution' they will reach a new level of ignorance when even the violation of their personal space can be ignored as they live in their own little world. A lobotomy could help them more rapidly reach this level of 'personal Zen' - perhaps we as a society could help these fearless warriors achieve their personal goals by graciously administering the said medical procedure - with no deductables ;-)

the truth: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:29 GMT

HEY TODD
you would be the kind of guy to go and ask the drivers girlfriend out for a coffee in the middle of the confusion,telling her''-see,he's no good for you''and i do have a life i have a girlfriend,something you don't,why don't you try speed dating since your so desperate.

missed the point: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:29 GMT

That scared blond in the last picture is super hot

dude had a baseball bat!: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:30 GMT

to morethanenough:
It is even harder to believe anyone would support driver asshole. He took a bat to the photographer. Can you post an excuse for this action?
I though not. Talk about willfully blind.

As for your feeling vulnarable while you sit in your car? You come off the same as a white male complaining about discrimination.

Krusty: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:36 GMT

To:saskatooncycling@yahoogroups.com

This kind of article just drives me nuts. It's just another
case of that god damn CBC forwarding it's socialist agenda and attempting it's usual "social engineering" by reporting on some insignificant action of what was probably a hairy legged,
tree-hugging, wide-bodied suffragette, eco-cyclist in what is
probably a dirty inner metro immigrant area anyways...I mean I
often throw crap out the window of my SUV, too (apple cores,banana peels, sunflower seeds) when I'm on my way to a important shareholders meeting or even a relaxing day at the drag races, and I don't see
any harm...I just wish I could have a gun rack in my back window again...;-)

---
Krusty

"Guns don't kill people, postal workers do." - anonymous

Darrell Noakes wrote:

> Cyclist-driver clash photos spark online debate
> http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/01/31/toronto-fightphotos060131.html?ref=rss
>
> A series of dramatic photos showing a driver and bike courier in an
> apparent scuffle over litter in Toronto is generating heated online
> debate about how far the envelope can be pushed in taking a stand.
>
> The CBC is also inviting reader feedback, asking "What would you have done?"
>
> --
>

michael night: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:39 GMT

missed the point
yeah her and mumrah super hot,lol

Avery: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:39 GMT

This has nothing to do with Leah's being a female or her being a biker. The rage of the guy in the car is unacceptable and moronic and he should seek psychiatric assistance. However, it was Leah who self righteously assumed a role of a litter patrol, let her emotions loose and choose to chastise the guy in a most inapropriate way. She clearly provoked the incident and is responsible for the result as much as the guy who eventually beat her up. We should beware of both types on our streets.

andrew: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:42 GMT

He threw food out the window and hit the girl on the bike. she threw food back & then he threw coffee.

AL WAXMAN: HAIL THE LEAH THE QUEEN OF KENSINGTON!

The Awards 2: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:57 GMT

Coachrob59 – For not overlooking the importance of the sandwich (a very important point for all the potential future customers of the area, especially after this incident which will surely increase local traffic and sandwich purchases).

Steve: 1st Feb 2006 - 12:23 GMT – For telling it like it really is (this stopped being about the incident once it made the Star and started being about everything Coachrob59 pointed out --- love the internet, complete anonymity (missed the spelling though Steve) --- until you download illegal music and other disgusting acts.

Michelle: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:12 GMT – For contributing further to the already fragile image of cyclists. From me and all the other avid non stereotypical cyclists in the city thanks a lot…you get the stupid prise too.

bkfandango: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:18 GMT – For best idea (seriously can’t believe it isn’t a law yet. If bicycles are given all of the same rights on city streets as cars and expected to obey the laws equally than why are they not subjected to the same legal requirements, e.g. license, registration and insurance…ah yes insurance because bicycles cause damage too. On the flip side there should be a subsidy to cyclists for saving on the wear and tear of the roads, pollution and all of the other externalities that are not captured in fuel taxes).

Beyond the beyond: 1st Feb 2006 - 13:21 GMT – For saying it like it should have been said, amen!

Joe: 1st Feb 2006 / Check Canada 411 - 15:53 GMT – For being tied as the 2nd biggest f#$king idiots on this site (no explanation needed).

John: 1st Feb 2006 - 15:53 GMT – For being the 2nd most ignorant individual on this site (no explanation needed).

Canada411: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:20 GMT – For taking over as Toronto’s biggest f@#king imbecile…I have a friend that has a three year old that is swifter than you.

GOD: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:44 GMT – Because I like your stuff.

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 17:22 GMT – For making me go to bed every night praying I someday get to run into you in a dark alley --- It will be swift and severe this I promise, that you will walk again, that I can not.

michael knight: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:59 GMT

just look how she karate chops the bad guy right in the face,WOW what a woman just like a super hero hiding between the glasses and the helmet,but will we ever see her face?leah your so sexy call me baby

frank: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:01 GMT

i'm not going to comment on who was right or wrong, because unless one was there from start to finish, they can't truly know.

the bottom line is: littering is discusting!!
as far as i'm concerned, littering is a direct statement by the litterer(if that's how it is spelt?), that you have no respect for your God-given environment!
littering should be a chargable offense! if it already is, then it should be enforced more often.

Fred: It takes two to tango!

Grassy Knole: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:11 GMT

Is it possible that the guy didn't actually throw the patty out of the car. When viewed from another angle, it is quite possible that there was actually a SECOND litterer, on the grassy knole across the street.

the dashco: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:14 GMT

Did everyone forget about that woman that had her car shot at on the highway when she cut a guy off. She's lucky he wasn't the same guy!

P.S. Sell some medicine, BITCHES!!!!!

Justice John H. Gomery: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:15 GMT

I have begun looking into the "Littering Scandal", and have determined who was at fault here.

I blame the entire thing on the LIBERALS. Paul Martin should step down immediately!

The full report will be posted here soon:
www.gomery.ca

StormTrooper: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:20 GMT


LEAH: YOU ROCK! To all who stepped up and got in the psycho motorhead's face: RIGHT ON!

Dum Bitch: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:20 GMT

About the pictures if I had some fuck photographing me in that situation without my consent I would most certainly chase the fucker down and smash his camera snap his little memory card in two and gladly face the consequences.
We as non celebrities are not trained for the paparazzi and should expect that kind of response.

So Kudos to the driver for trying to beat that fuck.For if it wasnt for that fuck you wouldnt be reading this.

Paul Martin: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:21 GMT

I knew nothing about this scandal as it was taking place. I have never littered, and I promise to clean up the litter if I'm elected.

Stephen Harper is a person friend of George W. Bush's and has littered several times in his life. Stephen Harper has beaten up bicycle couriers in Alberta. He doesn't care about Toronto... I do.
I'm not making this stuff up. I'm not allowed to.

Canadian citizen: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:22 GMT

I still do not think it right that men beat up men after they learned that the man just beat up a woman. A husband ruffs up his wife just like this man did to Leah. He gets arrested. While in jail, he is beaten up for what he did to his wife. How can a man feel proud about beating up any other individual for whatever reason? You think the woman you think you saved feels proud of what you did? What are you trying to teach society by your actions? Your actions are just as bad!

Leah's Mom: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:29 GMT

Leah, you have to stop believing that you are the Litter Nazi.

You provoked this man by throwing garbage at him. If you really cared about the litter sweetheart you would have just put into a garbage can. Vengence is not your job honey, expecially when it's just a little bylaw. What's next beating me up because I forgot to make a left turn signal?

Have more naps sweety and maybe quit you courier job - it's stressing you out just like your poor father.

Donald Morin, donaldmorin@gmail.com: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:33 GMT

Good action related pictures, even though a bit sad, as it is an indication of the times we live in. Loving ones neighbour is differently out of the picture here, as people allow themselves to sound off on others as a result of their emotions. I too, get upset at littering and usually call people on such actions. Kudos on the lady for standing up to people who don't care about our MOther Earth and only use it resources for their own consumptous pleasure or economic rip offs. For a police officer to comment that she could have been charged for opening up the car and throwing back the garbage at the man is ludicrious. Such idiotic comments show how backwards the system is and that the system does not care about the land they rip off, use, drive and and walk on. How can a person be charged with mischief for returning something back to a person, who economically bought the product which used the wrapping (now garbage) and the man not get charged for throwing hot coffe on the women.Here again women are signified as second rated citizens because she returned garbage back to man who had no regard for our "borrowed ground"
As far as the idiot of a man, who initiated the littering, shame on him. You are an idiot, buffoon, and totally void of reason. Hopefully in the next life you will eternaly keep drowning in your excrement for your stupidity. Grown up and learn to respect MOther Earth, because some day you will end up in it six feet under as you die for your old age stupidity.

anon (surf147.net.rss.rogers.com): 1st Feb 2006 - 19:35 GMT

Dear, serves her right:

Doesn't it hurt your knuckles when they drag on the ground like that?

Fred Flintstone: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:36 GMT

Bottom line. The car driver is an idiot. You don't litter. You don't hit a woman. End of story. Everything else is noise. He is an idiot and not fit for society. A waste of skin. If you side with him then you have some big troubles with your morality.

Mr. Tosh: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:40 GMT

Dashco said:Did everyone forget about that woman that had her car shot at on the highway when she cut a guy off. She's lucky he wasn't the same guy!

After consulting some sources, I just found out that IT WAS THE SAME FUCKIN' GUY!!

But in all seriousness folks. The courier-lady through back a half-eaten burger into the guy's car. What kind of a pussy can't even finish a burger.

Then again, even if the bag was empty and she through it back at me, Tosh would still have to slap a bitch.

nuff said.

neighbour: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:45 GMT

I reconize this guy he lives in my building he is a complete jerk and walks with his girlfriend thinking his shit does not stink. his name is mike and i think hers is jeny
or somthing like that. he deserves to get the shit kicked out of him.

WomenRule: Leah, you rock, this dick head is an a**

Aayvalan: 1st Feb 2006 - 19:51 GMT

This is unbelivable in country like Canada. But my back home is different story. how ever I'm wondering how come the police didn't charge them. That women she is protect the enviornment I'm her side, but I can't fight like her.
Thank You

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:02 GMT

re: Awards 18:57

You can't miss me. I'm the 305-pound Indian ex-bouncer and jail guard. But I prefer well-lit streets, as I am a more in-the-open type of person. I live with my choices. I have no desire to hide like the women-beating shitbags do. I am man enough to admit to my faults and to take responsibility for my actions. Why you would wish to meet me in a dark alley because of some posts regarding my fondness for beating the shit out of women-beaters, I do not know. Do you feel at risk for some reason? Only one reason I can think of why you would feel that way. But never mind. You are entitled to your opinion, and in my opinion, you have won the Golden Dildo Award for being a class A dickhead. Make sure to bring the award with you when you go to jail, I'm sure you do not have to worry about your cellmate, Tiny. I bet even if he borrows it for a bit, he will still make sure you get it in the end. (and please, have a NICE day. Muahahahahahah!)

pietro: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:06 GMT

im from europe and i been in canada for 2 yeras now.and it just shocks me how people are transforming this into a catastrophy.it is as if we were talking about chernobyl here people.personally from my upbringin,i would solve this plain and simple:i would pick up the garbage myself ,knock at the drivers window and respectfully,politely and very mellow i would tell him that i was going to throw his garbage out.that reaction would surprise him he would probably apolagize.personally i think that is one of the problems in toronto,people are to defensive to hostile.it is attitudes like theese that surprise people makes them learn,if there ignorante teach them,hate only creates hate,your not gona solve anything.when someone slaps you kiss them,when someone says they hate you tell them you love them,you know what i mean?it just makes you a better person.by lovin were loved plain and simple.we are all here to learn people with each other,where not here to be rock stars or lawyers or grocery clerck orpoor or rich or black or white,were just here to experience to learn with each other.because every face has a story,every face has a drama,we dont know were anybody comes from the reason of there ignorance there frustration there coldness,so lets just teach each other.my god this whole page has been like a war and that is exacly the problem with the world.its not your position in life or the money you have or the close you wear or were you hang out that makes you cool it is how you trat others.this makes me said this makes me cry that everyone is just hostile toward each other.if we all let go of our egos if we smiled more if we made more eye contact if we didnt care so much what others thought this would be a beatiful place.the way for peace starts with every single one of us.whos right and wrong...we are all wrong cause people just dont love each other.

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:22 GMT

re: Canadian Citizen 19:22

You did not fully read my post, did you? I explicitly said I do NOT beat up men if I just 'learned' a man beat up a woman, unless the guy said so himself and is throwing it in his face. And if I encountered a situation where the guy has just beaten a woman, and they are BOTH crying and trying to make up, I would probably just stand by and ensure no further violence occurs. The guys I like to pound are the assholes who think it is OK to beat on women. I am aware that women could take advantage of my nature to try to get their boyfriend beaten up, that is why I prefer to get involved only in cases that I saw happen in front of me or have heard the confession to. And the part about my violence being no better... I agree, you are right. I know the law would definitely agree with you, but if you had read more carefully, you would realize I had already covered that area, too. I already stated that I knew that vigilante behaviour is wrong, but how do you control basic instincts? I prefer to use my mind and mouth to defuse conflicts where possible, but when I see male on female violence, I LOSE IT! Guess I'm only human, please forgive me. But hit a woman in front of me, pay the price. I have to be able to look in the mirror in the morning, and I cannot do that if I just stand by and let women and children suffer.

RCH: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:23 GMT

Toronto motorists are allowed to pollute the air with impunity. Isn't it a bit inconsistent to expect better behaviour with regard to litter? ;}

Copper: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:26 GMT

The tough guy driver should spend a few years in the Kingston Pen, then we'll see just how tough he really is. I can just imagine him sharing a cell with some hardened criminal wacko. Then he would be known as "Mrs. Wacko". I think he'd make somebody a real nice bitch.

Rod: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:27 GMT

Never mind this violence against littering shit.

Let's talk about that 15 year old girl in Dartmouth who kicked the shit out of two older teenage boys who tried to rob her. Using her jujuitsu (probably spelled that wrong) she pucked one fellow in the face and kicked the other one in the nuts. Go Girl Go !

the 12 hour visitor: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:28 GMT

Dhal Kaur Singh - ask the woman you keep at home so no can touch them what she does when you are out driving a taxi. She loves it when you do the 12 hour shift on fridays. BAD DRIVING = BAD TIPS, BAD SMELLS = BAD TIP, 20 minute tour of Toronto...from King/John to Spadina/Bloor... priceless = NO TIP

PS for a peaceful Muslim I really like the language Dhal Kaur Singh uses "I'm not hindu you fucking asshole...don't discriminate me based on religion. I am a muslim and a proud one. Hinduism is one of the most peaceful religions in the world, you shouldn't disgrace any religion, no what matter. Go fuck yourself and Eat a dick. What does 'TS' stand....."

ketchup-wrappers, not hamburger patties.. part 2 : 1st Feb 2006 - 20:32 GMT

my friend really had little choice but to switch to a combination of (a) home heating oil (b) used transmission fluid , and (c) old engine oil, to power his vehicle. gas prices were way too high. he managed to collect his transmission fluids and engine oils from from various mechanic's garages in the local neighborhood. as for the heating oil, it was easily siphoned out of his oil tank, which the oil delivery guys happily came to fill year-round. he just mixed them all together, for a very cheap alternative to gasoline. but note - he did need to remove his catalytic converter, and weld some strong, solid pipes as replacement exhaust, which pipe out well behind the rear bumper, to avoid any blow-back. if you leave the catalytic converter intact, that smoke will end up fuming out the sides of your manifold and into the car. imagine that? can't have that going on. that'd be bad for the environment inside the car. and also, as a driver, especially while enjoying a cheeseburger and maybe some fries as well on the road while driving with your knees, he never would want to breathe that stuff in himself. no way! a person could totally lose their appetite and start violently coughing from those fumes - who knows what was in that smoke anyway. besides, he could have hit someone on a bicycle, if he were to start coughing like that.

moral of the story: if you're going to switch to cheaper fuels for your vehicle, you can lose your appetite very easily, if your exhaust fumes waft back into the car. and of course, in that case, if you happened to be eating a cheeseburger, you'd probably end up spitting your half-eaten chesseburger out the window and onto the street from the intense coughing, or even, god forbid, hit a cyclist.

Me: What a hoot. Good on the girl!

betterthinsgtodo: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:39 GMT

The world is not a perfect place but it would be a lot BETTER place if all the busybody do-gooders minded their own business. This is a clear case of someone taking it upon themselves to discpline someone else's children, who asked you to do that and where do you get off?

Push the right buttons and it's easy to get anyone riled to violence. Reap what you sow. Both people involved in this are morons.

TO EvilGentleman:: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:44 GMT


Anyone who takes the time to systematically write a piece about how they beat the shit out of guys that abuse women (and the rules by which they do so) I figured was every bit as sick in the head as those you proclaim to engage with, and I somehow doubted your rage was limited to “women beaters”. However, your tempered response perhaps indicates otherwise --- the bouncer thing is definitely a strike but the jail guard is very civic of you --- so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. All the wankers writting dumb shit make you kind of wonder about the quality of families, education and general health of society. You're response however made me wonder how many real nut cases we have running around this city. Think about it.

Think, Respect, Peace

Sault Ste. Marie Guy: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:49 GMT

I came to this webb site to satisfy my curiosity. The story was broadcasted on CBC radio 1. I believe both parties are douche bags.

First for the courier to throwing the burger at the guy.
I thought littering was illegal. Take down the dicks license and report him. But No, its easier to start a confrontation. Real smart, you never know when someone can snap.

Second the guy threw coffee on the courier. That's assault, last I checked you can report that shit too. But no, lets piss off a psycho a little more by keying his car.

Physics teaches us that for every reaction the is a equal reaction. So if you don't want to fight, don't start shit. You can already tell the guys a real cock by throwing food out a window.

As far as both parties are concerned their both idiots and victims of their on ego.

But sadly this story festers on, people have been phoning death threats to the this moron and the courier reportedly is in fear of other motorist retaliating on her. I never thought the solution to violence is more violence. That just means there are more dicks out there. And when there are only dicks and no pussies, we end up fucking ourselves. We live in a sad society. What has Canada progressed to?

I guess the moral of the stories is the Big Angus Burger at Harvey's is fucking huge.

Rarse!: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:51 GMT

it escalates quite quickly, i believe she did kinda deserve it, i mean first she chucks s**t in his car, fair enough he shouldn't litter but she is asking for it, i would say the drink being throw at her is fair do's secondly to scratch the car thats wayy out of order on her behalf, shes just thrown it out of proportion it's going to cost a fair bit to sort out the scratches properly. her bike would have got snapped in half if it was me along with any money in her wallet.

innercitykittie: 1st Feb 2006 - 20:56 GMT

very dramatic action. couple comments.

1. I keep reading he threw coffee, but don't see coffee or cups in the photos as he is coming around the back of his van. Is this true? Where are the photos of that?

2. Obviously dude is psycho, but who is the girl beside him in the last photo. His girlfriend? She's cute, but it looks like a mob is going to charge in and lynch them.

3. I read in the STar that cops show up, but again none in the photo. Love to hear if this guy got charged, but I bet he didn't.

4. I wonder what this guy does after a night at the bars. I feel sorry for his girlfriend.

5. Where are the photos of the guy getting his baseball bat out of his trunk, sounds like horseshit

Emmett: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:02 GMT

He shouldn't have thrown his trash in the road in the first place. I praise Leah for sticking up for what she believed in. Not only should the driver be charged for littering but for assaulting a female too.

Foot up ass: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:04 GMT

Newsflash, when you see a guy beating down a girl, it is time for you to put your foot up his ass.

To EvilGentleman 20:02 : 1st Feb 2006 - 21:06 GMT

Couldn't agree more....the Awards guy is everything you say and then some.....who does he think he is???

Peter: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:09 GMT

This asshole of a driver should just be deported to wherever he crawled in from or wherever his ancestry crawled in from. Poor genetics not required- we have enough problems here to clean up - get rid of such loosers - one at a time and clean up our city/country.

Forkmiester: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:12 GMT

Ya know, having been a cyclist and a motorist in tarrana, i do understand his fustrations and hers. But when you look at the situation:

- he litters by throwing out garbage from his window. Arse.
- she picks up the litter than throws it back in. Smartpants.
- She may have keyed his vehicle but I'm not sure if that is speculation (damage of private property). Dummy.
- He throws coffee on her (dangerous- assult), starts smahsing her bike (damage of private property), and then grabs her (assult). Dumb arse.
- People hall him off her, but he is clearly no longer in control of his senses. Jacka$$.

So, we have a dumbshiet jackarse and a smartpants. Unfortunately, it does come out in favour of the cyclist. He SHOULD be charged with assult, but perhaps he needs to look at what caused this incident. The driver broke the law by littering. We all have a hate on for people who do dumb sheit but him to get out and assult her? A movie comes to mind.... aaanger .... anger people. nope nope nope... anger misfit...nope nope nope.... ANGER MANAGEMENT. Send that lad on Anger Management. :)

kindred-litterpicker: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:15 GMT

Good for you Leigh.
I feel proud that a fellow cyclist can stand up for the rights of the earth and the rights of our cities. You set a fine example.
This one time I was biking and a cigarette hit me in the face. That's gross. If I could have I would have given it right back.

On that note, I think his reaction was pretty expected. I can't say that I am surprised. Anyone who litters has some serious emotional problems, likely caused by their lack of connection to the earth.
I wonder if he does that in his livingroom - probably just leaves food laying around to rot and fester before it attracts mice.
It all just boils down to the fact that people who litter are morons and people who pick it up give a real hot damn about the real things that are important. I think it's great that you instill a sense of responsibility and stewardship in your child by having him pick up trash before he can play. That sets a great example not just for him, but for the other kids too.
Have a great day!

fastermaster: that blonde chick is hot.

jeffree: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:18 GMT

This guy looks so gentle and kind. Perhaps he needs his diaper changed.

Unbelievable: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:20 GMT

Both parties in this are definitely ego-monsters. I agree with the above poster(Sault Ste. Marie) and many others. The courier should have taken down the plate number and reported the motorist, and picked up the litter to put it in the trash. She is very lucky that the motorist did not do worse.

Same applies to the motorist. He was asking for trouble by littering.

I think both parties deserved to be charged equally.

As for Leah, I sure hope she isn't teaching her child to have the same wreckless pride. Next time, take the high road and report the motorist.

Who's to say your bike meets my environmental standards? Should I just take it from you and throw it into a recycling plant?

The Jury is out on Evil Gentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:30 GMT

You sound like a pretty self-righteous guy. I very much like your idea about protecting women and children. I definitely like and support that. It's an honourable position to take, no doubt. But, this begs the question, what kind of person exactly would DISAGREE with the protection of women and children? I think every right-minded man, stands for that.

Now think about this without passing judgement for a second, evil gentleman. It seems to me like you're a guy who simply enjoys confrontation. If it wasn't women you stood for protecting, you'd carry a banner for some other kind of protection. You'd protect tax-paying business owners. Or protect retirees. See where I'm going with this? There's a fine line between protection and extortion. That's exactly the reason why people like the Guardian Angels aren't being welcomed by the mayor or the police chief in Toronto. They have seen the fine line between protection and extortion blurred too often. The bottom line really is that your actions find no support amongst the officials that REALLY protect women and children.

And I have a question: Maybe you could explain to everyone on here, what you would do, if some guy was rapping on a female, and you went to intervene, and boom, suddenly your ass gets *capped*. It happens more than you'd care to know, actually. And last time I heard, there were no mirrors 6 feet underground for you to look into in the morning.

The jury's out on guys like you.

betterthinsgtodo: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:40 GMT

kindred-litterpicker:

"lack of connection to the earth."?
What about some sort of connection to common sense? Her actions were foolhardy at best and she's damn lucky thinsg didn't go worse for her than they did. The litter-boy is ignorant to be sure but this girl needs a serious lesson in minding her own business and looking after her own back yard. The world owes cyclists nothing and if they don't like the environment, they should saty indoors at home. Self appointed vigilantes of questionable judgement is just what this world does not need. Based on this Leah's example, should everyone take the law into their own hands? And when they do and it goes badly for them. what then.
Wake up.

Jared: Mad props to Leah. People who litter suck.

Raoul Davachi: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:55 GMT

I'm a bike courier, and I am so god damn tired of people in cars, or worse, people in suits walking on sidewalks who think they rule the world. I was talking to the other couriers outside of starbucks at york and adelaide today, and we all decided that the time for revolution is nigh. Let's face it, just because I smoked a bunch of weed and watched quicksilver featuring Kevin Bacon, on night and decided to quit grade school, and become a bike courier, it doesn't make me less entitled to ride my bike on sidewalks or through gardens, even if some d-bag in a suit is walking towards me, or some biatch is pushing her baby carriage to a dr's appt or something.

Now when I charge in to buildings, I don't get out of the way, and pick fights in elevators with people, who have the farking nerve to go to work, and leave their desk for a few minutes to get some food, or take a piss or something. God damn sell outs.

whenever I see someone litter, or cut me off, or not signal, or drive with expired plates, or have a piece of pumber sticking out the back of their trunk with out a little red flag, I either smash their rear view mirror/ or side window with a bike lock, or ride up beside them and pour a steaming beaker of sulphuric acid in their lap. Teach those damn 905 son's of biatchs a lesson. Soon I am going to start following these people home and dump bags of cement mix into their pools, and spray hebicide on their front lawns "u-lock justice".

EvilGentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:58 GMT

For the respondent who posted at 20:44

Thank you for your response. At least someone here is actually reading my entire posts before passing judgement. I realize I am somewhat of a modern-day anachronism. I strongly support the equality of women in all aspects of life, yet continue to be a self-appointed 'protector' when I deem it to be a neccesity. I do not automatically expect people to agree with me, and my posts are meant to encourage debate on the issue of how to handle male-on-female violence. I feel that too many people stand idly by and allow these things to occur. Far from being the neighbourhood bully, I tend to try my best to exert a calming influence on those around me, usually with the liberal usage of humour. I hate physical conflicts, but I will not tolerate men hitting women in front of me. This does not mean that I go hunting for these situations, as I prefer to mind my own business. But if I hear a woman screaming, I want to look to see what is going on. I definitely do not hang out around apartment complexes, hoping to find a woman-beater. That would be just plain psychotic. But when I see these losers beating their girlfriends up in bars, I feel that if they want to fight, let them fight like a man, against a man. I see these guys as bullies, and the only thing bullies understand is a beating. I am never the first person to resort to violence, I only respond to it on behalf of others. (I also stay out of the way when 120-pound guys hit 6-foot, 200-pound women, because I know darn well she does not need help, she can take care of herself) And when women try to bully men, I try to get in the middle and talk them down (I have been known to pick people as large as 360 pounds up and put them down elsewhere, all the while talking gently to them, so they can calm down) I only explained one aspect of the ways in which I resolve disputes, because it was the aspect that seemed most relevant to the discussion, as well as the aspect that strikes the strongest response from me. Obviously the best solution to violence is:

(1) raise your children properly. My son has never struck another human being, so far as I know. He is 13 now. I was 22 the first time I had to hit someone, and wish he had not hit my lady friend, as I was really reluctant to resort to violence. I always tell him to NEVER start a fight, and so far, he is listening well. He is polite, respectful, and caring. He sees women as his equals, and I truly hope that he will continue the tradition we have. I believe I carry fewer biases than my parents did, and I hope my son will grow up with fewer than I have.

(2) As much as I loathe Steven Harper, his promise to increase policing hits the nail squarely on the head. If there were enough police, people would not need to take the law into their own hands, and even if they wanted to, it would not be very possible to do so.

(3) WOMEN: If your man hits you, he is a piece of shit. LEAVE HIM! He will NOT change for the better (unless you also regualarly win lottery jackpots, etc), he will only get worse as time goes on, and he keeps getting away with it. If you truly feel that you wish to spend your life with him, that is your choice. But charge his ass and wait for him to get out of jail. Do not let an attack go unanswered, it only invites more attacks. Let him know you love him, but you also love you, and therefore you must charge him if you are to have any self-respect. He must never believe you will help him hide his abuse of you, or he will only become more and more violent. Abusive violence is a symptom of mental illness, and part of a cycle that can go on forever unless you help stop it. It is possible that he may not be curable, that seems to be most often the case. In that case, save yourself. Do not let him drag you down with him into his twisted world of despair. They are HIS issues, not yours.

The idiot with the SUV and the coffee is the prime example of something wrong. Why does this man feel that his actions were justified? Why does he feel it ok to attack women? Yes, he was clearly provoked, but he should be strong enough to resist provocation, and it really is his own fault to an extent, because of his callous uncaring attitude with litter and so on. And the rest of the incident after he returns to fight is clearly 100% HIS fault. I just see yet one more person who feels immune to the rules of society, that HE is all that matters in the world. Litter, women... these things seem to be meaningless to people who were not raised properly. If I extend the stereotype a bit, he is probably one those idiots who does not use turn signals and appears on your back bumper doing 130 km/h, trying to bully you out of the way. His lady companion had best make sure she has her radar on, since guys like that rarely handle relationship stress well, either. Obviously, I could be wrong, but I doubt that is the case here.

I'm late for a polisci class, I have to run now. On the bus. The car is good for shopping and trips out of town, but the bus is cleaner and safer, and parking is not a problem. Have a good day, I'll see what crap I stirred up tomorrow.

****** Has made me regain hope: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:59 GMT

Leah Hohisworth has with her actions helped me regain my long lost faith in human decency and righteousness. Thanks to Leah the world is not longer paved with half eaten ground mammalian flesh discoids, a vision that used to fill my heart with dread and drive me to fall into prolonged bouts of depression that no amount of Zoloft or Paxil could help abate.

By the way her song "Hot Shot City" is particularly good.

Thank you very much M. Holsthinworf!!!

Jerry: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:00 GMT

As this city used to be called "Hogtown" I thing "Pigtown" would be more apropo. Why?

1) The rectitude laced moron courier (and as a pedestrian I have only contempt for the arrogant, spoilt, disrespectfull cyclists, skatboarders & inline skaters in this city-they're pushy and dangerous)-to acually see one of their ilk getting the crap beaten out of them makes me quite happy. As for the "pig" who dumped his garbage on the street-"fine" him and make him clean it up. Now for the "Police". They're paid to apply the laws "Equally and without prejudice..NOT play judge and jury by determining if and when they will charge people otherwise lets just get rid of all our lawmakers, judges et al? No law against littering you say-well, I guess that comes down to incompetence at City hall...! Yes, come to "Pigtown" and see all the pigs-you can start by taking a ride on the TTC for starters and watch them stuff there faces, put on their makeup, put their feet on the seats, wipe their noses with their hands and then on all the rails/poles....!

Yep-a real treat I'm sure any touristwould just love to see.

anon (CPE0011d8f5e5e9-CM000039dca061.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com): 1st Feb 2006 - 22:00 GMT

This guy is a fob. You stupid loser picking on a women. Some man you are.

jaker10: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:01 GMT

im not for hitting girls, but she got what she deserved. At least he should have stomped her bike that would have been funny, cyclists on the road are perhaps the most annoying thing because they think they own the roads and pose a danger to themselves mostly. If someone threw garbage in my car I'd be pissed off as hell. He threw food on the ground: news flash bitch, that stuff is biodegradable. I'm not endorsing him but who the hell is she? If you read the Toronto Star article it says she makes her kid pick up 10 pieces of trash before he's allowed to play at the park. What kind of sick enviro nazi is this? child services should put that kid in a home where he can be properly raised

jaker10: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:01 GMT

im not for hitting girls, but she got what she deserved. At least he should have stomped her bike that would have been funny, cyclists on the road are perhaps the most annoying thing because they think they own the roads and pose a danger to themselves mostly. If someone threw garbage in my car I'd be pissed off as hell. He threw food on the ground: news flash bitch, that stuff is biodegradable. I'm not endorsing him but who the hell is she? If you read the Toronto Star article it says she makes her kid pick up 10 pieces of trash before he's allowed to play at the park. What kind of sick enviro nazi is this? child services should put that kid in a home where he can be properly raised

ash1: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:05 GMT

the truth is..#1) how many of you take pride of your car? im sure 99% of you
#2) How many of you have thrown something out of your car once in your life? im sure 99% of you..u meant no harm..but for convenience did it rarely
#3) did you ever expect someone to throw it back in your car???

WTF????????
she caused it...maybe he went to far...but there are ppl that wash their cars 10 times a week...maybe hes one of them...what would u ppl do if someone threw it back? thats messed

angryjohnny: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:07 GMT

"so why the hell did she go out of her way to pick up the garbage and throw it at him." because ass hole if someone from the suburbs came and threw garbage out of thier car onto the street where I live, he's get a whole lot more than garbage thrown back at him... He'd be dead.

gordo: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:08 GMT

Many apologists for the jerk have said what would you do if someone threw garbage in your car. Well it might depend on where it came from. Had I been an idiot who tossed my garbage in the street I might just be very embarassed if it came back at me. Return to sender. This guy is lucky his address hasn't been posted. He would then discover that he is not alone in the world of idiots. Anyone who would make up excuses for him clearly has their priorities screwed. All it takes for evil to win is for the good to do nothing.

piggly wiggly: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:11 GMT

what's with this selective crap about nobody should ever strike a woman?! how 'bout nobody should ever strike another? jeezus. no wonder this world is getting nowhere nearer global peace.

p.s. betterthingstodo is an asshole.

gordo: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:12 GMT

Many apologists for the jerk have said what would you do if someone threw garbage in your car. Well it might depend on where it came from. Had I been an idiot who tossed my garbage in the street I might just be very embarassed if it came back at me. Return to sender. This guy is lucky his address hasn't been posted. He would then discover that he is not alone in the world of idiots. Anyone who would make up excuses for him clearly has their priorities screwed. All it takes for evil to win is for the good to do nothing.

Daniel: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:17 GMT

If the story is as published in the papers then this guy had all the right to throw whatever he wanted at that bitch. Unless she was hit by the litter, its not her right to throw anything into his car. If I was the guy i would throw it back at her.. if she dares relatilate further she is asking for whatever she got... havin a vagina doesnt give you a free pass to do whatever you want. simple as that. however is she was hit by the litter she had all the right to throw it back... if not shes just a stopid woman trying to be smart i wished shes was whacked up more.

LEAH is a fine example for us all.: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:17 GMT

lEAH YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. Everyone (who litters) should have their trash tossed back at them.
Also - LEAH did not intentionally "key" the moron's car; she clearly stated she was wearing her bike lock key on her wrist. Because of this jerk's idiocy (his ATTACK on Leah) he basically keyed his own car.

Henry : 1st Feb 2006 - 22:17 GMT

Did the guy get arrested? While she might have risked a ticket for something- that violent fool should have been hauled off in chains.

I can't believe what I read!: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:35 GMT

while some people are really articulate individuals with a sense of humor and enough intelligence to make me wonder... WTF are they doing defending a guy that contravened a municipal by-law, assaulted a PERSON, and also destroyed her property, I am left scratching my head at the thougth of the police not charging the moron littering (nevermind the streets of Toronto, but ANY place) , and regardless of whether or not people take sides, sadly I feel very concerned about the safety all the wonderful people YES PEOPLE) that make an ENVIROMENTAL choice by using their bikes, included my two sons, and seeing the stupidity of motorists that believe they own the roads, and the rest ie: name calling, hate mongering in the annonimity of this medium is an example of why the world is what it is today,as a wonderful friend PH D in Biology told me recently, "Humans have overstayed their welcome on this planet" I agree today.

WHAT ABOUT THE BURGER?`: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:38 GMT

What about the burger he threw at her? What? he didnt like it? or did he just want to throw something at someone? That can't be great for the burger supplier. eh?

sacred rock: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:40 GMT

What about the burger he threw at her? What? he didnt like it? or did he just want to throw something at someone? That can't be great for the burger supplier. eh?

popasmuf: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:43 GMT

I can't believe this lady didn't expect some kind of reaction when she did this.

It would be like me going up to her and ripping her headphones off her head, because I have a personal problem with her endagering others (and breaking the law) by riding with music blaring in her headphones. I wouldn't do this because I am not there to enforce this sort of thing and it would be a totally obnoxious invasion of someone elses private space.

Point blank this lady is obnoxious.

Go literally block down the road from this incident and there are logans and rancid coconuts piled three feet high in Chinatown and all these commie fuckers adore it (it adds flavour to the sterile city) I bet my left nut this lady would not even think of doing a fucked up stunt like this over there. There is something about this paticular white guy's meat patty that fouls MOther earth in unique ways.

This whole incident is illutrative of a really warpy state of mind that has spred like a cancer in Toronto, especially this area of town. I love the market with the immigrant shops and fruit stands but the low-rent psedo radicals gotta go.

You can tell the dude wasn't even attacking the woman he was stomping the bike, he only starts to get aggresive when others start to get involved.

The guy overeacted but, I gotta be honest if sombody did this to me (male or female) I would be aggrevated, this lady is certainly no hero, and anyone who thinks she is is a twisted fuck.


One: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:44 GMT

EvilGentleman just enjoys hurting people. He is a psycopath. Enjoying the act of hurting people and being a psycopath are not things that are socially accepted. He knows that and fears having to face his psycopathic tendencies,at least in public. That is why he has to rationalize and look for "good reasons", socially accepted reasons to hurt others. Defending women is one of those socially accepted behaviours. People is much more ready to justify violence when the violence is used to protect a female and he exploits this shamelessly in part because by this time he is probably completly sold on his own rationalizations

so right about some drivers: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:48 GMT

To the person who wrote:
"the most entitled drivers (excluding cabbies and anything oversized) are luxury sedan drivers. It is no surprise that motorist was driving an Acura."
So right!! When I'm waiting to cross the street & the light changes so pedestrians can go, I always watch for motorists that cut in front when turning right - if the car's a Honda civic or smart car, I don't worry and just cross, but if it's a Merc or Audi, etc. (particulaly the one's with dealer plates - more car than you can afford, loser) - I make damn sure they've stopped first, though of course, they never do. Every day I get cut off by these jerks & I'm the one with the right of way! Same goes for when I drive & am going through green light - these are the same jerks who cut in when turning left before they have any right to.

This isn't a motorist vs bike issue, but a jerk vs the rest of us issue.
Same goes for those idiots who litter because the Market's dirty any way, or people are paid to pick up trash any way. How hard is it to just throw it in a bin? Are you retarded & don't know how to spot on?

Leah for mayor!: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:49 GMT

popasmuf: you said: "I love the market with the immigrant shops and fruit stands but the low-rent psedo radicals gotta go."

I could not help but noticed your mistake. Below I have corrected it for you. Feel free to say thank-you.

[i]I love the market with the immigrant shops and fruit stands but the low-rent, violent jerks such as the psycho motorist gotta go.[/i]

al: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:52 GMT

the driver was yet one more of the increasing amount of uncivilized individuals who are borderline human and primate society life. we run across them all the time, they are the ones who feel threatened when someone has to change lanes in front of them, the ones who blast the boom boxes forcing everybody around them to listen to the music they like you name it, they are the missing link in societal evolution and for that I feel sorry for the dud. as for the girl well, I have learned one thing: do not try to correct those primates because playing with apes might get you hurt!! she was an idealist and that is commendable but, being a foolish idealist is not the smart thing to do. she should have just walk away shaking her head at the sight of a dress orangutan.

popasmuf: Thanks.

Emily H.: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:55 GMT

You Feminized Torontonian Fucks! The only travesty here is the double standard! Some bitch can do what ever she wants and doesn’t have to deal with the repercussions.
If two guys would have had this exchange this forum would not even exist. Lesson: Some fucking dyke wants to act like a man; she should deal with it like a man.

i am right you are wrong.: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:57 GMT

walk away????? WTF???, and let the brainless louts continue on unchecked? I don't think so! LEAH YOU DID THE RIGHT THING! eVERYONE WHO LITTERS SHOULD HAVE THEIR LITTER GIVEN BACK TO THEM FOR PROPER DISPOSAL. IF THAT MEANS THROWING IT IN THEIR CAR, SO BE IT.

Tom: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:59 GMT

Wow, I hear many people suggesting they would beat the be-jesus out of the guy, some even threatening to kill him. Doesn't sound like you'remuch better than the guy you're threatening.
Ease-up everyone. Life's short, be nice, have fun.

clonella: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:00 GMT

Just another case of an asshair(courier) who figures its her bizness to police the planet and save us all from the horrors of a jettisoned meat patty a road chicken woulda ate in 2 seconds.She shoulda got the bitchslap for what she? was wearing.Ick

Gad zoots: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:01 GMT

Wow! I hear many people suggesting they would beat the be-jesus out of the guy, some even threatening to kill him. Doesn't sound like you're much better than the guy you're threatening.
Ease-up everyone. Life's short, be nice, have fun.

Honourable Stephen Harper.: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:06 GMT

What is so good about the chick in the white vest?
She looks as ugly as Paul Martin's wife!!!
You ppl have very very bad taste for women!

Oh and Leah should have her UV-shades bust on with my semen.
All Hail Harper!

2 Morons Don't Make a Right: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:14 GMT

Its not okay to hit women, but many of you seem as though it's acceptable to hit men. I've never hit a woman in my life, but if one raises a fist to me, she should expect one kindly in return. She crossed the line when she decided to take the law into her own hands. Yes the guy went over-board, but she fully initiated the encounter and should have expected some sort of retaliation.

Leah for mayor!: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:16 GMT

Your welcome popasmurf. I know you meant to say that the psycho motorist is not the type of person people want in the market area.....let alone in the GTA.

OK OK: You have doubts, Thomas. Many of them.

foodfight: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:24 GMT

If property is nine-tenths of the law, wasn't Leah just returning this young man's property back to him??
She has GUTS! So many motorists idle their cars in Toronto and pay no mind to the idling by-law.
I would love to tell them to please turn their engine off, but, alas it could be a psycho at the wheel.


Viernes: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:24 GMT

That is why we have laws. To prevent self righteous fundamentalist zealots to try to impose their beliefs on us all by the use of violence and intimidation.Yes littering is wrong, we have laws about it, and fines. But if your particular set of beliefs condones the use of violence against people who litter then your set of beliefs is seriously wrong. Do you condone cannings too?, Corporal punishment in schools, at least for kids who litter?. Have you read the comments of people on this forum. "Kill all who litter" fuck, these people would rather have the dead penalty than litter in their streets. Goes to show how twisted the values of many "eco friendly" people are... they pretend to be open minded and then turn to be violent totalitarians.

Pete: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:25 GMT

Plain and simple the man who littered should not have done so, the woman should have retaliated in a more tactful manner leaving less room for violent consequences. the man should take a long look at his behavoir and rethink how he wants to be remembered, and the woman should not be such an ass, yes, she too made an error, if one were to push the envelope of this case it could be said that she infact was littering on the mans property, thus lowering herself to his level. Ofcourse this situation is impossible to solve due to the fact that nothing was handled in a responsible manner. As for the issue of wether or not Hool should have taken the photos, people take photos of celebrities all the time and post them, nobody seems to mind about that, so when you're in public remember that you may have your picture taken, and act accordingly.

frustrated cyclist: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:31 GMT

people like that driver is why our world is so un-sustainable and shitty. I agree, the cyclist probably should have ignored it, but I know where she is coming from. Why is it such a bad thing to care about the environment?? Why is ok to sit around in your SUV in traffic all day and throw garbage out the window?

I think our governments are to blame. They prop up the auto and oil industry and make it damn hard to ride bikes on Canadian roads without seriously putting your life at risk. Some cities do stupid shit like put speed limits on bike paths (Calgary - land of SUV) and as much as helmet laws have good intentions aren't they really just making it more difficult for people to ride bikes?????

Beatnik: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:34 GMT

She should press charges - assualt on a woman has a greater consequence than being charged with mischief. This asshole has to go down. What will he do next?

spongebob squarepants`: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:35 GMT

i think this the reidculous throwing a patti thing is wrong and hitting a bike isn't good either. What an asshole who would want to wreck our streets of toronto. We love toronto

popasmuf: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:35 GMT

You have amazing insights - and Photoshop skills.

Jules: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:39 GMT

I'm assuming that guy just had the worst day of his life and everybody has a thresh-hold. If she really wanted to do something good, she would thrown the garbage out for him and made him feel like an ass. I would have stolen her bike. And her glasses. muahhaha

Illwind: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:40 GMT

Remember, cyclists have every right to the road as motorists.

In fact, motorists must yield at least half of the right lane if there is a cyclist in that lane.

Regards,


Illwind

squat: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:45 GMT

The guy is an azzhole. Don't hit cyclists and women. You're lucky you didn't get your azz beat worse by the crowd. Dickweed.

JJ: The guy's an idiot!

Illwind: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:48 GMT

Wrongs done by these two upstanding citizens:

1) Driver (idiot) throwing trash out of his van/SUV
2) Cyclist (not-thinking properly) throws trash back into driver's car
3) Driver gets out of van/SUV and attacks cyclist +/- bike


Wow! Lots of wrongs and no rights!

Regards,


Illwind

foodfight: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:49 GMT

It's the litterbug attacking the cyclist, kicking her bike and bringing her down to the ground. Not exactly a pacifist response. He obviously popped a major valve. Litterbug would have shown more self-control if the cyclist had been a beefy guy. Cops don't give a crap about garbage and idling. I would find it shocking to have someone through their garbage out the window as I'm riding my bike by. It's totally offensive on many levels. Yes, some cyclists are hardcore, but they're out there all day dealing with rude, aggressive, dangerous motorists.

anon (cpe-69-207-233-94.maine.res.rr.com): 1st Feb 2006 - 23:54 GMT

Those cyclists are a pain in the ass.. they run red lights go the wrong way on one way streets then cry when something bad happens.

Coachrob59: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:55 GMT

With respect to the post entitiled "Awards 2", I humbly accept the award on behave of sandwiches everywhere. Often times there are innocent victims of such social uprisings. Someone has to speak out for these victims. I felt it important that their voice be heard.

From this day forward, I will never be able to look at another sandwich the same way, without thinking "what if....".

Leah, be ready for the calls from Letterman, Leno, Conan and Jon Stewart. The clock has started on your fifteen minutes of fame.

As for van dude, a vaction some place far away might be a good idea for about two weeks. Bon voyage.

Till Next time.

At least Leah cares enough to do something about litterbugs.: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:55 GMT

This man obviously has an anger problem. I mean, the guy left then came back. Basically what should have been a time out was tossed aside in favor of violent reaction. This man chose to become violent. He took a time out and still returned with a heart of violence. Yes, the girl maybe should not have opened the car door and tossed back the litter. Perhaps leah should have picked up the trash, knocked on the wiondow and asked the man to dispose of his trash properly.

However, this man's actions are nothing short of idiotic. It's a simple message: DO NOT LITTER. I guess it won't end until we have all killed each other. People are stupid.

What's Really Going On Here: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:57 GMT

It's interesting that this is primarily a concerned citizen vs. a s***head matter, not a cyclist vs motorist issue. The reason why it has exploded as the latter is due to the decades of accumulated abuse visited on cyclists by many motorists combined with the gradual tilt of public sentiment toward cyclists. Jealous territorial motorists threatened with loss of turf have launched a panicked counter-attack.

The only thing unusual about this event is that it was captured in pictures. This sort of thing goes on all the time as motorists function at brain-stem level since their upper brains are disabled by carbon monoxide poisoning. A young male with a female companion in the vehicle is especially volatile. At a pack animal level, motorists react to cyclists as people voluntarily choosing to accept a role of lesser apparent power and status. This triggers an attack impulse in those who are marginally civilized.

While minding my own business cycling, I've been hit with a bag of food thrown from a vehicle, shot at from a vehicle (fortunately a starting pistol), deliberately struck by vehicles several times, (including one woman driver), punched, threatened numerous times, etc. etc. The more serious incidents were completely unprovoked. Most of the others were as a result of me taking a measured action to suggest to a motorist they have no right to endanger me. I regularly record their license numbers and phone in driving complaints to the police. I also phone or email companies to report their employees bullying or endangering me. I have never without being provoked, launched an attack on a motorist, or endangered their safety.

Now, there are affordable helmet cam systems that would allow cyclists to take continuous video. It will be interesting to see how the police handle this when cyclists start using them.

A couple of incidents have included me inflicting exceedingly minor damage on the motorist's vehicle. In both cases the authorities decided I had been deliberately endangered, and if I were to be held responsible for the damage, (which I regard as part of the game and I'm quite happy to pay for), then the motorist would be held accountable for what they did to start the whole thing. Both times, the motorist has dropped the matter. The police know cyclists have safer things to do than start fights with motorists.

The only other time the police reacted in what I thought was a fully satisfactory matter was when I was shot at. (I'm pretty good at getting license numbers.) The disinterest of the police means cyclists and others are more likely to take matters into their own hands since anyone who thinks the police typically and specifically act to protect the safety and rights of cyclists doesn't know what's really going on out there. So you either take action as Leah did, or you let the jerks set the rules we live by.

Maybe people think bicycle couriers are nuts, but I can tell you that one of the safest places to cycle in Vancouver is in the downtown core. That's because the couriers don't put up with crap from the motorists, and the drivers know that they have to respect cyclists down there. The couriers are doing the job the police should be doing, at no cost to the public.

In this discussion, it's amazing people make so many assumptions about the circumstances, even contradicting matters already described by those involved. But then, there's a flat earth society, isn't there. There's also an assumption that the posts from the "motorists" are the work of a twisted comedian.

As I said to start, it's a bit amazing it's become a motorist vs cyclist thing, since most of us do both. The fact Leah had a bicycle was incidental. It was a littering and social conduct matter, not a cycling matter. Not much of a driving matter, either. The fellow involved is going to have serious health problems stemming from his outlook. You can't do things like this without it eating at you from inside.

Baseball bat in the trunk? He's itching for trouble. Get dropped by his "girlfriend"? I doubt it. Not enough women dropped his father and other men like him, or the genes wouldn't be passed on. Being that type of male used to have strong survival value, and so there are plenty of women around who still have the genes that attract them to those men. So it goes.

Jayboy: 1st Feb 2006 - 23:58 GMT

who's the blonde in the last picture, she's hot.

Aaron: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:00 GMT

This isn't about a cyclist vs. motorist it's about people not respecting their environment. I don't expect everyone to be a big "tree hugger" but just a little common sense and respect is all that's required by everyone. It's about time someone had the guts to stand up to an environmental bully like this guy. I applaud her braveness; however I do advise her to be careful in doing so. Please stand up to environmental bullies like this guy, we'll all be better off for it.

popasmuf: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:05 GMT

Why does this become a battle of car verses bike?

She might drive a Hummer after work who the fuck knows, it really has nothing to do with the incident.

If she threw a meat pie at my Prius or my fuckin' horse and buggy I would still be pissed off. People are making this out to be some sort of Eco battle between big corporations and pious bike riders. This is a discarded meat pie - HALF a meat pie!! Like I said, go a block east and there are mountains of rotting litter piled up in chinatown - but this is "cool" non-white imperialist western garbage - this is good garbage.

It is a meat pie people. It'll dry up and evaperate in 2 hours - adding precious nutrients to mother earth.

BILL: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:07 GMT

I've got two words for you Leah. THANK YOU.
Maybe we should bring back the show, the greatest canadian. Put her in the top ten.

Wonderful Toronto Sites - NOT ! : 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:09 GMT

This guy is MAD at the WORLD if he freaks out like he did PERIOD...He had much bigger issues, unfortunately she didn't know that and well that what can happen when you don't know !
She shouldn't of done it but it was her reaction to what he did - she re-acted rather than think. We all have...But, 2 wrongs don't make a right, the guy is a MORON for littering, & battling with a women, and she well....
Let's hope they both learnt from this.
Don't litter & KNOW YOUR Enemy !!

No Hippies: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:10 GMT

everyone is forgetting that the bitch must be a hippie sociology lesbian and does not shave her snatch. Therefore, her anger was actually a result of having a scratchy vagina all day. Stupid lesbians, shave the bush bitches.

Superman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:10 GMT

Haha which reminds me............
My sister and her boyfriend (my friend Chris) were road riding in New Hampshire, my sister in the left turning lane and Chris on the far right of the road. Two G-unit "thugs" in a POS Honda came up behind my sister in the turning lane. The passenger proceeded to stick his head out the window and yell "hey bi*ch get the f* off the road". It took Chris, obviously enraged at this, about 3 seconds to respond by which time passenger "thug" had rolled his window back up and was laughing to his fellow "gangster". Chris veered over and with one mighty punch to the passenger window smashed right through it and solidly connect with said passenger "thugs" face who was said to "see it right at the last moment with a look of ohh st on his face". The combination of 300mph fist and glass resulted in a bloody and painful lesson to thugs everywhere.......have fun explaining to your posse that you got your ass kicked by a guy in spandex for yelling at a girl. Ha ha

Daryl G.: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:16 GMT

What ever happened to just throwing litter away? Obviously this cyclist was either mentally retarded or just a plain bitch. Sure, it's not that great to litter, but there's really no need to escalate the situation. I'm sure that this guy will litter that much more because of this altercation.

I totally agree with someone else's idea that people are just so ballsy there because they assume it's a safe city. If I had a quarter for every time I thought I'd be murdered by someone with roadrage and I hadn't even thrown anything in their car! And scratching someone's car is, undeniably, over the top. Anyone who would scratch a car for littering is obviously immature and deserves a good beating. She's lucky she's not in America.

Really, though, we don't know the facts. It could've been pure accident that the litter came out of his car; I know it happens to me quite a bit. If someone threw my trash back in my car without verbally prompting me, I'd be sure to pepper spray them. I mean hey, if you can scratch a car over warm (obviously not hot; she'd be worried about other things) coffee, then why not knock around some over-boisterous skank who's throwing trash in your car?

I'm not saying he should've attacked her, but I think they should both be held responsible for the entire incident.

CipherGeek: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:20 GMT

This fuckwad needed a good ass-kicking, or maybe a bullet in his head. Dumb fucks that have no respect for anything or anyone don't deserve to live. I've driven several fucks off the road who threw their lit cigarette butts out their car window. Go ahead and do it, but suffer the consequences and quite your bitchin.

LivingInTO: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:25 GMT

Why does the driver have a baseball bat anyways? And I wonder if he was pissed off at his girlfriend before throwing out the burger!!

crispy: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:25 GMT

Speaking as a courier myself with many a year on the road, I can empathize with Leah and her actions toward this raging lunatic. I have picked litter dropped from many a car and deposited it back where it came from, through the sunroof if possible. It's quite amazing that this simple act can start people frothing at the mouth, but it usually does provoke a reaction.Quite why these people feel it's okay to drop crap on the street - and that was the start of this episode - but don't like it given back to them, I don't know.
So... go girl!

tyu678: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:26 GMT

MAN... O MAN..

I can only hope I cross paths with that crap coloured Envoy, on the mean streets of T.O....

Respect: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:29 GMT

Let's make a deal:
You litter, I throw it back at you. If you park in the bike lane, I smash out your rear brake lights and key your car as I fly by.
You cut me off in traffic, I dent your car with my foot.
But if a pedestrian walks into traffic without looking, either of us can use them as a speed bump, and if you see a cyclist barrelling down the sidewalk, anyone can body check them.

Also, if you are standing on the side of an escalator that was meant for people to walk up, then it is legal to power slam you over the side.

Maybe once people start seeing consequences for their self-centred actions, they will start to realize that we have to share this city with a lot of other people, and we should all be a little more considerate of them.

Buzz: Can't we all just get along? Rodney King,LA

White vest girl it's time to say sorry.: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:36 GMT

The white vest girl speaks:

And I quote her from her posted reply way back in this mess.

The "Motorists": 31st Jan 2006 - 22:26 GMT
To All The Readers,

"This is the blonde girl in the last picture. The girl in the "white vest" that the "victim" would like to thank. You can start by sending me $2000.00 for the damaged on our car. I was in the passengers side and witnessed the whole thing. First of all my fiance did not throw the patty out of the car. We had just brought them and were putting groceries in the car when it must have fallen. Why would we through something away that we just purchased? Instead of behaving like a lady and a mother why wouldn't you knock on the car window to tell us we dropped something instead she opened the driver side door and throw the patty at our heads. My fiance opened the door to grab her not know she was female and she than jumped on the side of the car with her keys in her hand saying "I'm going to f***ing key your car". She did about 3-4 times. She also spit all over the car as well. (Nice Lady)We parked the car to see the damaged and my fiance went to get her information to pay for the damage and she tried to take off. That is why he grabbed her bike. His hand got caught in her tire. Other people jumped him because she acting as though she was an innocent cyclist being attacked. If you all want to know she makes a hobby out of doing this. She has done this to a motorist before and was charged and ended up in court. Now you have the real story.

If we were in the wrong the police who saw the damage to our car would have charged us. No one saw what she did. They just thought someone was attacking a woman. If anyone knows where I can get a hold of her I would like her to pay for the damages."

..................

As far as damage control goes, this poor soul above has failed miserably. Eye wittness accounts, photographs clearly showing an enraged man attacking a woman who is attempting to defend herself. If nothing else, the enraged man requires anger-management. And whit vest girl should hang her head in shame for attempting to justify her so-called man's reaction.

Leah should not have opened the car door, that is true. However: you know she did not "whip" it at either of you. You know that the litter did not "fall out." You know that your man attacked the woman and her bike. Everyone who was there knows what your man did when he returned to attack leah.

Now say sorry. And have your 'man' say sorry.

JMHO: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:39 GMT

Gutsy move Leah....but if you're going to get in someones face you should be prepared for whatever you get back. This guy was a total asshole for taking it as far as he did but if his baseball bat would have been within reach when you tossed him back his burger the outcome would have been far worse for both asshole and cyclist. Hope the next time this guy throws a burger out his window that the person returning it adds a side order of knuckles. The guy will never live this down. ASSHOLE for life!

BLUNTONE: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:53 GMT

I always want to do this when people throw out cigarrette butts.
They would be so busy trying to put out the fire that they wouldn't have time to try to get me.
Fucking litterers. It's MY environment, I have a right to defend it.

you should get out more: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:58 GMT

come on!
the girl in the white vest is not hot
she is way to skinny

ooseven: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:58 GMT

Who's the blond in the last photo? Is she with him?

Tree Hugger: 2nd Feb 2006 - 00:59 GMT

Cigarette butts take centuries to break down. People should keep them in their car, take them home, toss them in the garbage.

bongoman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:00 GMT

I know the girl in the white vest and her fiance. What happened was a mistake on both parties BUT to carry on like this is ridiculous. In this world there are a lot of more important issues that we all should concentrate on. Lets put this behind us and move on. This is no good for anyone.

RUNAMUCK: thats crazy

LaBala: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:08 GMT

my question is how bad was this beef patty?thats what it was patty on a bun.
somebody should go to the patty king and tell them to ease up on the msg its obvliously not helping this idiot
i blame it all on the beef patty eat veggie ones
boycott PATTY KING long live the fresa life

He's still a jackass several days later: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:11 GMT

driver = asshole, pig
courier = hero, citizen doing the right thing

Pigs like him deserve everything bad that happens to them.
Physically fighting a woman? Pulling out a baseball bat to go after the photographer? Go to jail, you classless, immature, knuckle-dragging, uncivilized animal.

hamiltonian: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:16 GMT

Serves that courier right, the motorist threw garbage on the street. Whether she likes it or not she should mind her own business. I would have done the same as the motorist. Knocked her out. Tree hugging hippies have no place on the streets riding bikes. Get a real job.

Responsible Biker: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:16 GMT

She was the first to commit assault by throwing food into his car. She started the fight by taking it upon herself to play litter-vigilante. He didn't behave appropriately, but it's hypocritical to act like it's unilaterally his fault just because she's a woman and a cyclist. I hope they both get prosecuted for disorderly conduct.

To the responder who said he should have pressed charges when she threw the food into his car and left it at that: how? Ask her nicely for her ID? Take down her non-existant license plate number? Call the police and try to describe a random bike messenger to them?

As both a biker and a driver, I'm sick to death of these self-righteous arrogant shits who weave in and out of traffic, run stop signs, don't know/use hand signals, and are generally oblivious to their own safety and everyone else's. Sure, they're helping the environment, and good for them. But the fact that maybe they're delaying the peak oil disaster by a few milliseconds doesn't give them carte blanche to act like assholes in the meantime.

Someone: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:17 GMT


Photos and witnesses... Police do nothing...

canadian losers: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:20 GMT

reply to american=assholes
yeah your right you idiot for example toronto last year had zero shootings because your so civilized
just dont forget that when the shit comes down you always relly on us americans not to mention you all wanna get out of there to go to hollywood and shit a?not to mention toronto is fuckin new york wanna be,yeah where such assholes but you all are so inspired by the assholes,how dare you even open your mouth.

BEST PART IS:: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:23 GMT

Everyone in Toronto hates this guy.


Why does someone have a baseball bat in their car in January in Canada?
The kind of guy who uses it to attack someone.

I am the bike: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:25 GMT

Nobody asked the bike how he feels being parked under Leah's sweaty camo-pants-twat all day. All you people defending Leah or the polish guy--but what about the poor bike, he's the one who got stomped on by the psycho.

But I bet if you asked the bike he'd say he was happy to be relieved of Leah's sweaty beef-curtains long enough to get stomped on by psycho-man.

Fuck all ya all, the bike got the worst of it!

Duh: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:29 GMT

Hey Responsible Biker - throwing food into someone's car isn't assault. It's throwing food into someone's car. Oooh. The food is a weapon. Someone could have been hurt. Fuck that. The pig littered. Someone called him on it. He freaked out and attacked a woman. He should go to jail. End of story.

Americans=Assholes: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:29 GMT

Reply to canadian loser,

Ignorance and Illiteracy seem to go hand in hand, sure is a lot of that south of the border.

Dear American Threadjacker from Detroit: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:34 GMT

First, learn to speak and write the English language properly and then come back and talk to us. You sound like a short bus kid grunting his way through a writing assignment.

Second, try to stay on topic. This is about the Kensington bicycle courier-crazy motorist assault. Don't try to turn into a USA-Canada bashing thread. It's been done before and it's boring. Don't highjack the thread.

Signed, Your Fellow American

Dr.Phil: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:38 GMT

first off polish boy not only your a pig for littering the street,but your also a pig for littering peoples sight with that horrible jacket you have on,and your a pig for fuckin that ugly discusting,girlfriend of yours.leah your just the typical dike,you think your a man,and your angry at men cause they have a cock and you dont,you need to get cock up the pussy leah,enough carpet munching,and with those army pants you can tell your the kind of girl who is looking for war.have a good night people

To the really intelligent person who posted this....: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:38 GMT

canadians=losers: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:00 GMT
i live in detroit,guess how many murders are here a day,and you stupid fucks are a making big deal out of garbage?LOL then you wonder why you have such a bad name.your all a bunch of cry babies that only a stupid story like this would make headlines in that country.leah or captain planet or whatever the fuck your called dont forget to use always the same close from now on,so that whenever somebody farts they can call there hero,or on the weekends when somebody comes out of the bar peauking you can throw the barf rught at there faces.obviously you guys have no problems there so you gotta make something like this look like the apocalipse.LOL

I was going to post a comment but then I saw this smarty and I just have to say: Go BACK TO SCHOOL, learn to spell or speak english(or any combination of the three).Idiot.

to The "Motorists":: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:39 GMT

to The "Motorists":
Quoted from previous entries:
"What about the damage he did to our van? I suppose you people who support him would think its okay for Frank and I to stomp all over his car?...By the way, the vendor behind our van had all his mechandise ruined when the guy threw coffee all over the place." "There just wasn,t a tiny scratch there were 3-4, 5 inches in length. I will tell you this I will buy her a brand new bike if she pays the damage to MY CAR."

Obviously, though it may not matter to you, other property was damaged by the altercation besides your car. Those people do, theoretically have as much right (or more) to compensation than you do. One thing ya learn in life is that it's pointless to try to redress every wrong done to you, or by someone else. Afterall, tit-for-tat behaviour was what escalated this to the conflict we all saw in the first place.
Ya'll need to let it go & make your fiance swallow the cost of the paint job - maybe then he'll develop some self-control that he's evidently lacking. Yes, being out the cost sucks, but it does for everyone involved. That's life, and that's the nature of conflict. Please learn from it, as that's really the only course of action worth pursuing.

Emily H.: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:41 GMT

You Feminized Torontonian Fucks! The only travesty here is the double standard! Some bitch can do what ever she wants and doesn’t have to deal with the repercussions?
If two guys would have had this exchange this forum would not even exist. Lesson: Some fucking dyke wants to act like a man; she should deal with it like a man

this man is a hero: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:43 GMT

reply
actually im in kindergarden so i guess im doing fine when it comes to writing. obviously your a fuckin retard just to take this whole situation to hart,obviously cause you got nothing else going on in your life and that means cock as well,so you sit at home all day in front of your computer cause you scare guys away

to: Dr. Phil: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:46 GMT

While you're probably laughing yourself silly in your trailer over your pointless comments a few posts above, you must realize that nobody cares about your post. It is devoid of any intelligence. I know I speak for everyone here when I say please do us a favour and go away until you're smart enough to participate. But don't worry - we won't wait for you. It's clear you lack the ability to intelligently discuss the matter at hand. I hope none of these words are too big for you.

this man is a hero: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:47 GMT

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Dear American Threadjacker from Detroit: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:34 GMT
first off since you love them so much join them up there in canada become canadian you fuckin idiot since you stick up from them so well.you call yourself a fellow american?your probably a queer who would love to go to canada and get married,so fuck off ''fellow american,why dont you join fuckin al qaeda while your at it dumb fuck

to: This man is a hero: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:50 GMT

Thanks for proving, once and for all, that you're a waste of time without the tiniest bit of intellect. I invite you to continue your career at whatever fast food joint/street corner you eek out a pathetic living at. Best of luck moving up to the second lowest tax bracket - you're obviously going to need it since those scratch lotto tickets probably won't come through for you.

DR PHIL: 2nd Feb 2006 - 01:54 GMT

first off you must be the idiot who has nothing better to do but to reply to peolpes coments so your not part of the debate yourself,second of all your probably one of the angry dikes,and third you people are still debating such a ratarded incident that is getting old and dealing with it as if it is the end of the world,i think we had more then enough opinions about this silly shit.so get a life go outside and enjoy the out doors idiot

Ignorance and Illiteracy: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:00 GMT

Ignorance and Illiteracy sure seem to go hand in hand
again and again and again...

RB: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:00 GMT

Actually, I think this asshole is kind of hot. He's an asshole, but he's hot. He's a hot asshole.

Greg: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:01 GMT

In the Toronto Star on the next page after the pictures and article of this incident is an article about global warming and the warnings of scientists around the world about the catastrophes that will affect us all in about 20 years. Is it that hard to find a recycling bin and a garbage can? Does he not have any family with young children who will have difficulty breathing due to poor air quality that we are already experiencing? Or does he have family that live in coastal areas that will be flooded as the polar ice caps melt? Does he have family members with skin cancer, due to the thinning ozone layer, or with allergies due to pesticides or air quality? Of course I realize that this one act of littering will not be the sole cause of the above, but it is representative of the careless disregard of our planet that when multiplied by 6.2 billion people will have a huge impact. Everyone can make a difference. By throwing his garbage on the street it is quite clear this guy is either totally ignorant of the facts or he just has a total disregard for everyone and is only concerned with his own instant gratification.
The fact that he threw 2 cups of coffee and then physically attacked the cyclist would indicate that he has little regard for other people's safety. Talk about escallation. I am very surprised that the police did not lay charges and I urge the cyclist to pursue it. I see no justification for his attack on you to the degree he took it.
I applaud the cyclist's principles (she has commented that she could have handled it in a better way), but I guess it's a leason for everyone, that you run the risk of meeting a lunatic when you try to do the right thing. Be careful out there.

Bobbikes in Calgary: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:02 GMT

I can't believe I read all this -- so much vilification and nonsense for a few gems of insight and information. Cyberspace is much more dangerous than I'd realized.

I instinctively side with Leah. I have been cycling for most of my 60 years, including 30 years of urban biking in Calgary and thousands of kilometres of touring in the United States and Canada. Our constant vulnerability amid tonnes of steel, breathing hydrocarbon fumes, swerving around garbage, trying to be environmentally response, all breed defensiveness, anger and, yes, self-righteousness. These are usually kept in check by cowardice, pacifism and self-preservation. I've managed to confine my responses to curses and gestures (dangerous enough in some contexts) but I can certainly understand the temptation to take direct action. I'm sure a lot of cyclists feel the same way, which accounts for the outpouring of sympathy and solidarity for Leah. She did something a lot of us have thought about doing, and it's too bad it got out of control. But it certainly prompted a revealing response, both from serious commentators as well as a vast number of people who obviously have serious issues far beyond road rage. I hope they at least stay at their terminals and off the roads.

As to the guy, it is hard to tell from the pictures and posts what he was really thinking. His visage and reported actions look deplorable, and I find it astounding that so many people are defending him. It's interesting that the girlfriend and possibly the brother-in-law have offered commentary, but not the protagonist.

Next time, Leah, pick up the item, tap on the car window if necessary, point to the item, and see what happens. You can probably get away with some ruder gestures and words if you get an unsatisfactory response, but direct action (opening the door, hurling the object, scratching the car) just invites escalation. Ostentatiously writing down the licence number is likely more effective. Drop item in litter basket and get on with life.

Thanks to Hool for bringing this to our attention. If Leah needs financial backing, let us know.
Bob

this man is a hero: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:02 GMT

reply to:this man is a hero
and obviously your so smart that instead of ignoring since im a joke ,no,you just continue to reply,and it's dumb ass idiots like you that just keep me going,sure shows how much intellect you have idiot,dont you know that you are supposed to ignore ignorance.and at least i have a job what do you do genius cause shure as shit for you to be here you gotta collect wellfare or some shit like that cause you got all the time in the world to reply to idiots like me

jerry springer: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:06 GMT

i think we all expressed our opinions more then enough,now it's getting to the point of jokes
let's just all go back to our lives and reflect on how to keep the city clean,not to be vigilantes and respecting each other.till next time .take care of your selves

B.J.: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:06 GMT

What did she think was going to happen when she threw garbage back in someone's window .. ? I mean, come on lady..

Vancouver Cyclist: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:07 GMT

I hope Leah has stopped reading this, too much negative energy. But let her know that there are a lot of people out here in Vancouver that support her.

Hopefully at least some of the people who are following this will stop littering. Even better, stop using their cars.

I heart kensington: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:13 GMT

Bike Couriers are some of the most vile, foul mouthed people in the city. I used to walk past them at their hangout on Temperence st. while they pounded back beers and chain-smoked weed (and the sidewalk littered with roaches),It seemed like they hadn't showered in over a week and every other word out of their mouth was fuck, they have zero class.

They ride all over the city stoned or drunk out of their minds, obey none of the traffic laws and yet they always seem to think it's the motorists fault when they get into a accident.

Respect to the motorist in this situation.

grammar point: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:16 GMT

Your a retard, is incorrect.
it's 'You are a retard', or 'You're a retard'.
'Your' is a possessive adjective that needs a noun after it. For example: Your life (life is the noun), your bike, your garbage etc.
Another example: 'Your all a bunch of crybabies.' is incorrect. It's 'You are all a bunch of crybabies.' Or, use a contraction, 'You're all a bunch of cry-babies.' Phew!

David: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:20 GMT

My college class is studying all your arguments right now.

Aussieshells: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:28 GMT

You guys are all fucked up. the worst of all of you is that paskistan prat what a loser.
You know what we need to do to you and most of your ppl?

Well we need you all to be in one certian place at one time. Then we drop a bomb or five hundred of them on the country til theres nothing
left. You know nothing at all about rights if i had my way all you mother fuckers would be six feet under.

Enjoy and have a nice day SHITLIPS

Chapter Cycles: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:28 GMT

Having read through all previous comments (there will no doubt be a few more) as well as all versions of the event, I am decidedly sympathetic towards the driver. I am both an avid road biker and a motorist and however you consider this case, all the man had done was to commit a littering offence which is punishable by the proper authorities. He did not deserve to have his garbarge thrown back into his lap or his car scratched, albeit unintentionally. Folks, what Leah did is called VIGILANTISM. She took the law into her own hands and doled out public punishment as she saw fit. This cannot be condoned in any way. She might have felt like an urban Robin Hood but that would be just her fantasy. What if the 'garbage' consisted of a hot drink and she scalded the driver by throwing it back at him?

The driver could have shown better restraint but I think this is a very good lesson to her to stop going around acting as judge and jury and executioner. If she continues to do that, she's bound to get seriously hurt one day and I for one will not feel one bit sorry for her. Grow up, Leah, and stop this senseless and aggressive unlawful vigilante activism.

sad...: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:31 GMT

to all you who say she commited a crime by throwing it in his car...your fucking dumb. Your actually fucking twisted. want me to come shit on your doorstep? This is her city aswell, we share it. He has no right throwing it out his window. Oh well since you're all brings laws into this, that could be a weapon. What would have happend if she had been hit with it and she crashed into traffic. That punk ass should be beaten with his own bat, made to eat his fucking mini van, and then locked away for awhile. Everytime i see someone throw out a butt i think they should be forced to eat it, shit it out, and eat it again. Your all disgusting.
Leah take that needle dick to court, well see how big his balls are then.

To "this man is a hero": 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:42 GMT

It's funny,

I would have thought it would have taken a shorter time for someone from the states to do the whole, if you don't agree with me, then you're not an american crap...

before I read stuff on the internet, I thought most people were sane thinkers. Turns out I was wrong. No wonder Bush is still the president...

To add my non important two cents to the fray, reading a lot of what was put online has changed my opinion about this situation. First I thought it was pretty funny. Actually, still do. Second, I was upset at the stupid driver for attacking the cyclist, mainly because I believe as a man, that no man has the right to put his hands on a women to hurt her. But as I kept reading I realized that the cyclist was just as wrong as driver. The driver may be more dangerous (carrying a weapon around, getting out of his car, stomping another vehicle), but situations like this can be avoided if a little tack is used.

So to the users of this board. To the ones with carefully written posts, to the ones with the horrible english, I would like to thank all of you, for showing me something that I didn't see before.

sYnTaX-3rr0r: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:43 GMT

all you people harping the courier is at fault because "no one has the right to deface someones property"? wtf,,,
guess what i live on this planet and it is part mine and i do care about it and if i saw you litter buddy i would throw it at you and if you then threw a coffee at me i would probably smash you windsheild and if you got out of your car i would crush up in little peices and then throw you in a garbage can! Oh and yes i was a courier for 6 yrs and im still riding in toronto so dude keep your fuckin garbage in you car or put a garbage in you huge fuckin vehicle. and if anyone got the drivers licence plate or the ip address of the fuckin cowards posting all that vulgar shit about Leah i would appreciate an email to lostinabox@gmail.com ....hey Leah im on it kid! we'll find him

The Right Honourable Stephen Harper: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:51 GMT

Perhaps I should rejoice that my face was too contorted with zeal for any of you to recognise me as I celebrated my election victory in Kensington Market, the home of Mr. and Mrs. Olivia Chow. I just had to let off some steam before climbing into bed with Mr. Bush. He and I like oil you know, not bicycles.


Canadians Rock!!!: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:57 GMT

To Mr. Detroit...
Ha ha ha...you make all of us laugh, before you post a comment run it through the spell checker next time...your writing makes you look as stupid as your president. You are just pissed off that Toronto is far from the dump you live in...not just Detroit, the whole country. Go tell Mr.Bush that your country needs more money for education (both you and him obviously need it) and less for the 'war on terrorism'. Love, a very proud Canadian!!!

Canadians Rock!!!: 2nd Feb 2006 - 02:57 GMT

To Mr. Detroit...
Ha ha ha...you make all of us laugh, before you post a comment run it through the spell checker next time...your writing makes you look as stupid as your president. You are just pissed off that Toronto is far from the dump you live in...not just Detroit, the whole country. Go tell Mr.Bush that your country needs more money for education (both you and him obviously need it) and less for the 'war on terrorism'. Love, a very proud Canadian!!!

HAHAHAHA: CAN"T BELIEVE THIS

George: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:04 GMT

I expect the photographer will be sending a bill to the Toronto Star for use of the photos, yes?
One of the photos was in today's Globe (Feb. 1). Was that one paid for?

mark: oooooooooooohh canada !!!!!

Mike: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:14 GMT

WOW there is a LOT of anger in here.... they both acted in ways to escalate the situation... she's as guilty as he is... doesn't take much thought to realise that you will incite a negative reaction by throwing garbage at someone and keying their car (deserved or not). My thought: he should be beat bad for ever atacking a woman, but if it was 2 guys (or girls) let em have at 'er till someone hits the street... don't we live in the land of hockey?

billy : 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:14 GMT

You women love to talk the talk. But you cant walk the walk. Need to change the laws from protecting all of you.

George: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:15 GMT

This must be a hoax!

Will we see the results on the TV show, "PUNKED"?

SupremeVirus: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:19 GMT

I know Leah's husband...via Xbox Live...and he told me all about it. Seeing as the charges against him are clearly much worse than the ones against you, Leah, I would urge you to press charges. That "mischief" charge on you should be nothing. I'm not sure if I'm late or not on this "advice" but oh well. I think that jackhole shouldn't get away with crap like that. So...ya

What's this about again????? asks Sheila: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:19 GMT


It's sad but not surprising that when people have the opportunity to be vocal whilst concealing their identity, that they will say the most hurtful things. I am disgusted with all those who have posted hate filled comments on this site (you know who you are). Shame on you!

I can't help but be reminded of CRASH. (I thought it was a fabulous movie and will plug it whenever I can!) We all need to examine why we hold the prejudices that we do. (re: thread comments about gender, sexual preference, race/ethnicity, nationality, age, religion, economic status, education, etc, etc)

Don't judge someone when you know nothing about them or their circumstances! Show some respect. (this includes both parties involved in the incident!)

I still think Toronto (TDot) is one of the best cities in the world and am hopeful that some good will come out of this....maybe garbage bins in Kensington? more cyclists in the city? more open and positive communication between people?

Best wishes to you all in 2006!

random: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:19 GMT

by looking at the photos, i wonder when she had the time to key his car...

Stop the litter...let's get this piece of junk to jail: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:20 GMT

I am amazed and disappointed at what I am reading in many of these postings. There seam to be so many people trying to defend a violent jerk who uncaringly makes the city a mess.

There is no excuse for littering………period!
There is no excuse for assault……………period!

I hope that this fellow is charged, and convicted, of littering and assault but I sincerely doubt that I, or the community at large, would ever be that lucky.

Thom: February 1st - 10:18: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:22 GMT

Leah, I'm not at all sure what being a courier has to do with this fucked up media. All I know is that I want to thank you. You are an absolute role model to everyone who cares to save our beautiful city. At the twelth hour you are nothing more than a women who cares about a city that can barely be run by the idiots in city coucil.

Leah, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thornhill Mom: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:27 GMT

I can not beleive what I have Read. This has really gone to far. The Driver was wrong...how many points is it for throwing food out your window? Why on earth would anyone throw coffee at someone...not one but 2 cups.
I hope that his work place keeps the coffee far away from him....I feel sorry for when he has kids...what will he teach them!

Ivan feb 1.06: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:27 GMT

Awesome capture of urban Toronto. I guess Stephen Harper will make this his platform and state change needs to happen. He will protect our couriers. I commend the courier she was absolutely in the right and this guy is just a coward who needs some serious counselling to get at some deep seated issues.

lil john: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:30 GMT

"popasmuf: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:43 GMT

I can't believe this lady didn't expect some kind of reaction when she did this.

It would be like me going up to her and ripping her headphones off her head, because I have a personal problem with her endagering others (and breaking the law) by riding with music blaring in her headphones. I wouldn't do this because I am not there to enforce this sort of thing and it would be a totally obnoxious invasion of someone elses private space.

Point blank this lady is obnoxious."

Agreed. At the end they were both wrong, and neither was justified to do what they did, but that lady had it coming.

SM: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:34 GMT

Next time it might be better to use Canada Post or FedEx.

Michelle: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:35 GMT

people:know the whole story b4 u pass judgement! I heard this is an open investigation coz the biker has done it twice b4 w/ other motorists. And the guys who attacked the motorist better report the truth to the cops, or else the biker will do this again! You could be next you know!

My backyard isn't a landfill! : 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:36 GMT

To Mr. Detroit.

I'm glad you think that garbage isn't important since Toronto sends all of it's garbage to Michigan. I don't want to live in a dump and I have written essays on changing public policies to encourage recycling and composting so that there's less to send your way but it seems that you don't mind it. If I'd known earlier I wouldn't have bothered. You really should let your senator know that you love living with a landfill in your backyard. It would save him a lot of time and effort trying to pass a bill that you don't care about. Hallelujah! Toronto has a place to dump it's garbage till 2020!

north of TO: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:37 GMT

The girl in white vest said that Leah through the food back into the van...then why is her vest SO WHITE!!!! there is no food on her or him!

I hope we all learn from this....never through food out the window...and walk away from a guy that has 2 coffees in his hand.

adam: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:39 GMT

im just glad people are finally appreciating hool's photography. now go look at all his other posts

bradford: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:40 GMT

way to go Leah aahhhaahaaaha! mashin fools since 1974...... and to all you busters that want to play devils advocate you can get mashed too!

She deserves commendation!: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:46 GMT

I am very glad to see the action that this courier took to help keep our streets clean.

I hope she can be looked at as a role model.

We should not be complacent about people defiling our streets.

The outcome of this incident is not what we want but we do not want to toleate this litter either.

andy: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:47 GMT

What is miracle? .... cyclist stopping at stop sign.
I see lots of disrespect and ignorance toward car drivers from cyclists.
So it’s no wonder that somebody snaped

jeeff: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:48 GMT

yeah really, he has 159 other articles!

www.citynoise.org/author/hool

Devil's Advocate: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:49 GMT

Great shots Hool! =D To play devil's advocate, I have golf clubs in my trunk cause I was too damn lazy to take them out at the end of the summer....does that make me psycho too? We don't know the intricacies of everything that led up to this incident and therefore, we also shouldn't rush to judgement either.

belgrade billy : 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:51 GMT

Well, You Torontians must celebrate those two nurds, they put You on a World Map.
Congratulations, You made it.
Peace!

Kathie from Burlington: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:51 GMT

When that motorist decided to litter on the street he littered on our world, our space. When she threw the garbage back into his car, she was littering only his personal space. What a pomopous jerk that driver is. He is extremely fortunate that he was not charged with littering and with abuse. What a filthy coward! We live in this world and we need to do our part to conserve it. He should do community service picking up garbage.

Andre: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:52 GMT

There's nothing I can say that hasn't been said already accept who gets the movie right's!!!!

me :): 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:57 GMT

zombie: 1st Feb 2006 - 16:04 GMT
to zombie who wrote this >>response to loser'' me''
yeah that's what you do call 911 and wait for the pigs to take there sweet time while the person is beeing beaten to death ,obviously you dont intervein because your a coward,so you hide in the pay phone.hey why don't you go and ask leah how to be a hero so you can learn.>zombie>go back and read the thread you socialy retarded sack of shit, the problems in towns and city's around the world
are losers like you and the driver you are the shit on our streets and are afraid when a women takes a stands ohhhhh you get mad , grow up and stop smacking your chubby while reading these post's just admit your a loser like the driver and pay for yoursex like he does

Gentle Breeze: 2nd Feb 2006 - 03:59 GMT

Storm Trooper, your Asshat is great, the guys a jerk, that women should lose him. I am sort of like the courier and try sometimes to voice my opinion about their rudeness, but usually it does not seem to work or they act like ape man above - glad he did not hurt you though, I do think he went home and cried afterwards though.

Q: The driver is probally a cop. or related to one.

Is it OK to put garbage anywhere you want?: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:00 GMT

When this guy through the litter out the car window he was saying "it is OK to put garbage anywhere you want".

When she put it right back into his car that is fair game. In fact if there was a garbage can nearby I would have applauded if the whole can full of garbage was dumped in his car. After all, he clearly indicated that "it is OK to put garbage anywhere you want".

I often pick up garbage from my front lawn that people throw out of passing cars and I am tired of it. I would applaud anyone who repeats her actions. I have done it several times with mixed reactions. Once it was a car with four teenagers who laughing and giggling at what they did but all of a sudden became quiet and very apologetic when I threw the garbage back in their car. Another time it was a middle aged gent who just drove off. The reaction that this girl got is right off of the radar screen but I think she had the right idea, I think she did the right thing, and I applaud her actions.

kensington cabbie: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:06 GMT

oh to be the guy who gets to install the surveilence cameras around this idiots store can you imagine the whack of garbage he's going to have to dispose of now, pile it up people, toss it into his store as you pass, drive this moron out of the area maybe he can find a place elsewhere that tolerates his dirty habits and lack of respect for those who perhapslive in the area and frequent his shop. take that comrad

Huey: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:07 GMT

I do not care how much you hate littering, there is no excuse for throwing the garbage back into the car. If you don't like the fact that the person littered, pick up the trash and throw it into a garbage bin yourself.

Don't like the fact that people are littering, tell the cops, get the person fined. Don't be an asshat about it. As far as I am concerned, that courier got what she deserved.

Mojo-B: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:10 GMT

I believe both parties were wrong. Why? Eventhough the guy littered his food, doesn't make it a right for the bike courier to throw the food back. Don't like it, piss off then. If she's trying to save the world, go signup for greenpeace then! As for the guy, he was definitely wrong cuz he should never have laid a hand on the courier (let alone it's a she!) Therefore, I believe noone is right on both parties because both of them were acting inappropriately.

Miss Pelling: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:16 GMT


I'm shocked that so few young people can spell properly these days. How will they deal with the imminent decline of the global energy infrastructure as we have known it, let alone spell it? I do worry so.

dave: when morals collide violence happens.

me :): 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:22 GMT

to Miss Pelling , it because I am totaly wiped from work and lack of sleep ..xxxxxx

dave: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:22 GMT

funny thing is... when this guy goes to McDonalds he prolly empties his tray in the garbage and adds it to the pile like a good consumer.

Don't make excuses for littering: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:23 GMT

Huey, why do you think it is OK to throw garbage on the street, but it is not OK to have it returned to you? That garbage was his, he owns it. Why should it not be returned to him?

Unfortunately it is a fantasy if you think that reporting him to the police will solve the littering. Even in this very well documented case of littering, and assault, that has witnesses and photographic evidence, I would be shocked if the police laid any charges.

They just do not give a dam about littering as our disgusting streets will prove.

They have daylight shootings to worry about. Do you really think that they give a dam about littering? Do you really think that they will spend 2 seconds following up on a “litteror”. Not since Alice’s Restaurant has litter received any police attention.

Stop being so naive.


Leah your heart is in the right place.: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:26 GMT

LEAH: don't listen to these people who think you deserved what happened. Although I think you should have knocked on the guys window and asked him to pick up his trash, I applaud your taking the time to do something rather than nothing. Nothing is what most people do and the problem of refuge pollution continues.

As for the moron who attacked you, that guy is in need of some anger management as well as an education pertaining to the problem that he adds to by way of littering. His girlfriend, the white vest girl should be ashamed of herself for attempting to justify her psychotic partner.

cobber: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:29 GMT

I cannot believe that the police did not lay charges. If it was a domestic, there would be no question about charges being laid (she was no match for that guy physically). Although I definitely side with the cyclist, she should be charged with mischief for throwing the food back in his car and if borne out by the evidence, damaging his car intentionally. However, the far more serious charge is an assault charge which should have been laid against the driver, who needs serious anger management counselling. If no charges are laid, I would really like his name and address to be made public.

cobber: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:29 GMT

I cannot believe that the police did not lay charges. If it was a domestic, there would be no question about charges being laid (she was no match for that guy physically). Although I definitely side with the cyclist, she should be charged with mischief for throwing the food back in his car and if borne out by the evidence, damaging his car intentionally. However, the far more serious charge is an assault charge which should have been laid against the driver, who needs serious anger management counselling. If no charges are laid, I would really like his name and address to be made public.

Too many comments: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:30 GMT

According to the Toronto Star, Leah has admitted she regrets throwing the garbage back in the car and that it was a knee-jerk reaction. That admission makes me respect her more than her environmentalism.

She also says that her key was on a band around her wrist and that she scratched the car accidentally when she was savagely attacked by that goon. I'm inclined to believe her.

So, yes, she was wrong, but that man is a menace.

Lastly, the Star article also quoted Leah saying that she hates litter and makes her son pick up ten pieces of garbage when they go to the park, before he's allowed to play. Brilliant!

We should all follow that example and keep Toronto beautiful.

Dr, O in London: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:35 GMT


If the courier is to be charged I would happily contribute to her defence fund based on Hool's rendition of events and the photos. Heck, I'll even chip in on a new rim for the courier if it keeps someone who gives a damn about the environment on the road! The courier did a public service throwing the garbage back in the moron's car.
The little man with the big rage and poorly developed social conscience needs an "adjustment". I look forward to the publication of his name and address so that I can contribute to psychiatric evaluation.

SamFarber: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:35 GMT

Heh - one time this jigaboo at a coffee shop left his empty cigarette pack on a table outside where it was going to just blow away. I went out to his car and his window was down and threw the pack onto his seat.

Leah: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:38 GMT

Thank you so much for the comments, I will surely do so in keeping the environment clean-free from guys like him. Please understand I am not obliged to actually comment on anything since the investigation is actually still in process. But I will continue on reading the comments to understand what our community has to say. =)

Dave S. Kingston, ON.: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:44 GMT

Most "normal" people care about the Town or City they live in. How do you think he "THE POLLUTER" would react to everyone in a vechicle or "ON A BIKE" tossing a hunk of garbage onto his property! Pollute in your own space buddy!

me;): 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:50 GMT

Leah rocks Leah rules she is grace on two wheels pity the driver what a fool cause when the public finds him he won't think he is soo cool ( major tool of the century)

sconts: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:52 GMT

well, 1st of all, this is f'n hilarious. I don't believe in hitting women, but in this case, the b**** deserved it. if the litter didn't hit u, then mind ur own damn business. if ur such an environmentalist then throw the shit out and leave the fuker alone, he's creating jobs u know. Think about our economy, fuck the environment. not only that i fukin hate cyclists, why don't they ride on the sidewalk? wat r they trying to prove, there's only one lance Armstrong. You Go BUDDY!, show her who's boss!!!

Leah: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:56 GMT

to sconts: you obviously do not know that you can get a ticket by riding a bike on the side-walk and second of all, the only thing he is creating is pollution! Since you do not care, I feel sad for you when your future child will know he/she will be living in a filthy environment. Kids these days.... =(

Bob Stickers: 2nd Feb 2006 - 04:57 GMT

Guy needs Federal Prison (US style) anal rape and public speaking engagements. These are to only two real deterrants.

However the real arguement for discussion should be if she was also a mountain biker rather than (obviously) just a roadie she would have pulled off the slam dunk and been half a block away before the guy discovered the pickels he picked off his burger were back in his lap. Then watched from a safe distance until he left his car and did his business, wrote down his license plate and called the cops, reported the by-law infraction and insisted they press charges and perhaps press them her self.

The Toronto Police are quickly becoming a useless Police force and need to be torn down.

AAA: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:02 GMT

Canadians Rock - right on

To Mr. Detroit
Go back to your rat hole and take your president with you too - your government has wrecked havoc where ever they have put their unwanted fingers in. And yes write legibally for god's sake.

me;): 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:05 GMT

to Bob Stickers . I'd bett a pay check Leah could drop your sorry ass in any type of bike race plus you would'nt last a week doing all the riding she does , and about the police in Torono well they are tracking alot of things on here ( hint Ip addys' )

SamFarber: Those girls are pretty hot, btw. ;-)

anon (210-54-117-39.dialup.xtra.co.nz): 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:06 GMT

I would have knocked his teeth so far down his throat he'd have to stick his tooth brush up his arse to clean them.

AAA: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:13 GMT

To sconts - you are an ignorant person to say the least.
Leah - a nice well informed response to the ignorant one above.

The Toronto Police - a well paid bunch but of no use to the folks they are here to serve. They need to be disbanded "tôute de suite".

anon (210-54-117-39.dialup.xtra.co.nz): 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:15 GMT

you mean there's a possibility that a retard like sconts will actually breed, don't they still sterilise in the states?

What's Really Going On Here: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:23 GMT

The reason why I doubt the "white vest girl's" version of the events, or the authenticity of the post itself, is that anyone who claims a minor scratch that didn't even crease the metal would cost $2000 to fix, is not to be believed. I doubt the car is worth that much.

The other point is that these posts show what happens when people can speak without being identified. Tourette Syndrome is more common than I thought. It would be interesting to know how many of the abusive posts are coming from the same ip address/person or small number of misfits.

zazaster: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:30 GMT

I would/have done the same thing. I have grabbed cigarettes dumped on the road at a stoplight and run over and dump them back into the car. Also, I have another method I use when a driver abuses me in my personal space ... I carry a tube of vaseline ... after someone has called me a 'name' over a minor thing ... for example, because I complained they just drove into the parking space I was very patiently waiting for and laughed or worse yet screamed the typical names they probably call their mothers, daughter, sisters and yes, wives! Well I won't take it ... wait until they walk away laughing then smear vaseline all over the driver's window side ... and ... are you ready ... on the door handle ... they have a heck of a time. Then I'm the one laughing ... because being a strong woman (ok guys ... let loose on the vernacular tirade ... I'm a big girl) I can think smarter that most men ... 'It's Not Cool To Litter.' Leah, I will shake your hand soon. I'm a frequent visitor to Kensington Market and it means a lot to me. And a message to all the people who love to dish Toronto ... stay where you are ... we are doing quite fine without your negative energies 'littering' our beautiful city.
A 64 year old human being intent on being human by loving my world first ... myself second.
'

SamFarber: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:37 GMT

To zoe: 31st Jan 2006 - 23:55 GMT
"....Even if she did assault you both, and scream profanities at you, why didn't you simply close your doors, call the police, and sue her for the damages?..."

How would he sue someone he doesn't know the identity of?

Wendy: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:40 GMT

I dont agree with all of the references to this cyclist being an "environmentalist" or trying to "save the world", etc...This, to me, is not a "polluting SUV driver versus greeny cyclist" story. Why does reacting to someone dumping trash on their street automatically make her some Greenpeace activist? Maybe people who identify with her just do not want to live in a dirty city. "Environment", by definition, is your surroundings. This can include the biosphere, or just your city block. She isn't some martyr, she just doesnt want crap lying around her. Nobody does. Except maybe dude who thinks he can dump his crap wherever he wants and that it won't affect ANYONE else. I think it boils down to an individual (like some posters on this blog) who thinks he lives in a bubble and that his actions couldnt possibly affect someone else. Hopefully this was a bit of a reality check for ya buddy. (and get some anger management.)

Bob Stickers: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:44 GMT

To me;):

Most Roadies are over pumped numbskulls. That pretty much is a fact. Mountain bikers on the other likely would have approached this differently.

If the Toronto Police are tracking alot of things on here that just proves my point. I do hope they get to the bottom on the Jesus vs Muslim thread. Plus I think given the recent news coverage of their unbelievable high failure to show up at traffic court pretty much is evidence of policy not to enforce the HTA and police the streets. Things have got out of hand, but the TPS budgets, manpower and sticking their nose in new places has also grown substaintaily and not kept up.

Now as far as a bike race goes/last a week blah blah I guess that will have to wait until she gets better and gets her bike fixed.

Personally I agree with her although I would have put it on the car if I had to respond but then I have much more tact plus I would have hit on his girlfriend and told her I had a V8 under the hood. Probably would have made her make me a sandwich too.

zito: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:56 GMT

The courier is my hero. She had every right to throw the trash back in his car. The asshole should be responsible for his own trash, why should everyone else have to pay taxes for cleanup because the violent jackoff can't throw his garbage in the trash can.

Courier goddess-I love you!!!

Pawel: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:10 GMT

So I guess its alright to litter outside, but not back into someone's car. DOes this mean that the car is hollowed ground that can not have garbage dumped into? Secondly, wasn't there a law passed that fined people for littering? Doesn't that all equate to someone retaliating and taking law into their own hands; perhaps doing the police a favour and cleaning up the streets? MAybe if more people reacted to individuals randomly littering with actions such as these, people such as him would notice that littering doesn't feel that great when it is done to them.

A final thought; yes had she called the police he would have buggered off; then again had she punched him in the face instead of keying the car, he could sue her.

yoshi: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:17 GMT

to "Lets find out the truth"...
you are quite right that this whole thing is getting embarassing, the allegations and illiterate, rascist, moronic comments coming out of the woodwork is making a mockery out of what was supposed to be a healthy debate.....BUT.....
this is about taking ownership for your mistakes, moving on and being an adult about it. leah already did this, by admitting she overreacted. i also don't think she is asking for special treatment, immunity because she is a woman...is she? correct me if i'm wrong. but this cowardly, angry pussy...(and this is quite evident...i am not calling him a wifebeater....just a coward, one who clearly needs to learn to control his temper, i really don't think he was looking for a batting cage when he pulled the bat out of his trunk....) and his girlfriend, still insist on defending their actions, that they did nothing wrong, and that they are owed $2000 for damage to their paint....at least from what i've read on this forum (i missed the cfrb thing).

i have been busted for doing something irresponsible before....most of us have. i was yelled at for parking in a handicap zone to return a video. i even yelled back, "fuck you", when someone verbally chastised me. but i sure as HELL, would not assault someone over it, knowing that i was in the wrong to start with. IF i was ever caught littering...and that's a BIG FUCKING IF, since i never ever litter, and IF someone threw it back at me, or worse yet, at a loved one, HELL YES, i would be mad. i may even elevate it to throwing it back yet again, or yelling....but i would KNOW THAT I WAS IN THE WRONG, and be EMBARASSED AS FUCK. i sure would not assault someone over it, or let it elevate to the point of pulling out a weapon, or strut around trying to make a case for how i was unjustly treated. this dude should be ASHAMED of himself, but the problem is that he thinks it's ok to litter....he just doesn't get it. but enough incidents like this may make OTHER people, less violent, angry, vindictive people who occasionally litter, think, "holy shit, i guess i won't be doing that....".
i grew up during a time when it was ok to litter...everyone did it (the 70s, in case you're curious). but we (or at least most of us) have evolved and realized how nice a world it is when there isn't shit lying in the street. it's amazing what happens when you have someone setting a good example. i think leah is a good example. maybe impulsive, ...maybe started a landslide of negative dialogue, ....maybe someday she will do it to the wrong person, and get hurt, but a good example nontheless.

Robert: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:24 GMT

What a stupid move, why would she throw garbage back in his vehicle? doesn't she know how many job litter creates? What a loser she is, i hope she smartens up soon!!

Pawel: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:30 GMT

I've just read some of these a bit more. Two things... could sconts be our infamous driver picture above? Secondly, as an Eastern European I felt offended that someone could really blame anything here; it is not because I don't think this 'gentleman' was Eastern EUropean, its that people simply assume that this person must be an Eastern European, and that neither American, French, Canadains, English, Germans, nor other people could commit such actions. Perhaps the person making these comments should remove their blinders and in turn eliminate their tunnel vision that has resulted in ignorance. Nwo returning back to the driver, I think quite simply the person is a dick, regardless of his nationality; degrading this discussion to country vs. country or region vs. region is just that, degrading an argument. It doens't matter if he supports President Bush, because this is not why hool (hope you don't mind the mention) took the pictures, nor does it matter what part of the world he is from. Maybe he is Polish, maybe Canadian, maybe American, yet who cares where he has come from, he acted like a dick in these pictures, as well as what ensued afterwards, and really this is what matters here.

yoshi: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:33 GMT

robert here is a good example of someone who is high on self entitlement, and no amount of dialogue will enlighten him. yes, robert, thank god for the litterbugs, that is just what we need to keep the economy on its feet. while we're at it, lets give a round of applause to the rapists who keep the cops and doctors and psychiatrists gainfully employed. fuck the kids in the sweatshops and tobacco fields....a job is a job, right? and then there's the air pollution that thankfully is giving us such warm winters....no more scraping windshields...yay!

Christine: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:43 GMT

I made my two posts yesterday....I agree with Leah although I think if she does this again, she should ride off quicker after delivering the garbage...
I have decided to cancel my Bell Express Vu. We have everything here.....comedy, drama, reality shows,nature, court, sex, violence and animals.
You guys are too funny. Filmbuff, can't wait to see the movie.
Its too bad that all this energy couldnt be chanelled.......not sure what to do with it though....maybe clean up all the garbage from the city streets...........maybe after we could all throw it at each other.

Daniel: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:47 GMT

To those of you who feel that the better course of action would have been to avoid conflict and either put the garbage in a trash can and/or take down his license plate I can say only this: It is your apathy that has made this kind of reaction necessary.

The city streets are not some guy's private garbage can and to passively let this kind of crap slide is to condone it as commonplace and somehow unavoidable. I think we can do better and should expect better from those who share our city. I have done, would have done, and will continue to do the same as Leah did in this case until the people who think it's ok to treat my home like this come to understand otherwise.

Christine: Daniel...amen

Ba‘al Zebûb: 2nd Feb 2006 - 06:59 GMT

My heart's with Leah, but I want to repeat what Mugs said: you can't talk about this without talking about what happens to garbage even when it's 'properly' disposed of. Zoom out about five miles and ask yourself what's the difference - besides the scale - between dumping your garbage on the road and dumping it in a hole in the ground? It's just out of sight, that's all. We're all doing the same thing, one way or another.

Fast Eddie: 2nd Feb 2006 - 07:12 GMT

Mind your own business....if she was in Scarb or Jane & Finch area, she could be shot and killed. If she didn't like the littering, call the cop on him. I would be pissed if someone throw something at me, that's personal. She provoked the fight and he should get a ticket for littering.

Armed Pacifist: 2nd Feb 2006 - 08:07 GMT

It is utterly ridiculous to assume that the Police should be responsible for dealing with every single incident that occurs in daily life...this kind of thinking is sheeple mentalitality at best. Good on her that she took the incident to the place it got to, and not the first one to immediately resort to violence in order to solve the issue. Dumping the coffee on her was by and large irresponsible on the part of the motorist and happens to fall in line perfectly with his previous action of tossing the garbage out his window in the first place...he damn well should have expected such a response like the keying of his vehicle. For him to expect anything less is a pure example of his unthinking nature.

Also to say that she should mind her own business is relatively ignorant...having to live in a disgusting gargabe filled city would classify it as her business and everyone else's at that point...this isn't the 17th Century where we toss our bathwater and bodily excrement out the window of our third floor apartments anymore...wake up and join the 21st Century. Filth leads to more filth and eventually disease.

As for the general nature of violence on the city streets as well as road rage, one need not look much further than places like Vermont, where road rage and violent crime are much lower than in other civilized places...I wonder why......ohhh yeah...everyone is legally armed. In a circumstance like that people do the best they can to be courteus so as not to get shot...pretty simple really. An armed society is a polite society.

This type of violent behaviour is exactly what to expect from a Liberal haven such as Toronto where everyone but the criminal population is unarmed, and somehow defending yourself against any violent attack becomes a sin in itself.

Good on her for taking the law into her own hands...cops cannot be everywhere...and if they were, it would be called a Police State.

n/a: 2nd Feb 2006 - 08:14 GMT

both were wrong. She is just lucky that this didn't take place Oakland. If people tried to pull that crap here, they would end up with a 45. embedded in their body. Oh, and drop this "its wrong cuz she is a woman" thing.

HCJBanky: 2nd Feb 2006 - 09:35 GMT

This is obviously fake.

Obviously Canadians are EASILY duped.

Feast on it!

Perplexed : Whatever happened to "Toronto the Good"?

rotten one: 2nd Feb 2006 - 09:56 GMT

leah assaulted the car driver first by throwing the litter at him if she had just taken his plate # she could have had him charged or at least noticed by the police but she looses all credibilty by being the first one to be the asshole

Deeply Perplexed: 2nd Feb 2006 - 10:06 GMT

I've seen people throw just about everything out of their car windows and I have never been outraged. Are the streets of Toronto so pristine that one uneaten hamburger will destroy the perfection? Where did Ms. Leah grow up that she so resents a bit of garbage? All this talk of the vehicle driver assaulting a woman makes me want to heave. Like it's okay for a woman to do this stuff and not face the consequences? If a guy tried that s**t he'd be pummeled. Maybe it's time for Ms. Leah to deflate her tires and move on to a more suitable career such as Cafeteria Monitor at the local elementary school.

Mac: 2nd Feb 2006 - 10:56 GMT

I can't even begin to fathom the Angst and anger being displayed on here. People!!!...REALITY CHECK! Listen to yourselves "it's us against them" My God, do you even realise what your'e saying? There has to be more humanity than THIS in the City of Toronto. This is the sort of thing that perpetuates violence in our City, Gratifying it, Glorifying it. And we wonder why Violent crime is up in this City. There are two distinct sides to this arguement. Was it right for the motorist to do what he did? The courier NO! but the more we go on choosing sides instead of writing the two of theses people as the pair of IDIOTS they are and leave it at that, the more we damage the Human condition. Please, look past this and be good to each other.

P.S. I ride a bike AND drive a car....

anon (72.142.186.209): 2nd Feb 2006 - 11:32 GMT

He did the wrong thing which caused her to do the wrong thing which in turn caused him to do the wrong thing. PERIOD. They are both to blame.

Robt. "Bob" Loblaw: 2nd Feb 2006 - 11:46 GMT

My young son and I were in the park yesterday and this guy kept dropping chunks of bread onto the ground. How dare he? My boy picked up his mandatory ten pieces by which time, I'd had enough of this littering. We got onto our bikes and when we found the litterbug's car, we threw the ten pieces of bread inside it and then we scratched the paint. I'm so proud that my son learned so quickly how to deal with the situation. That litterbug was so angry he chased us. What an idiot!

Rose: 2nd Feb 2006 - 12:06 GMT

Interesting pics and comments...
I bike and drive also, and litter? HATE IT!
Throwing anything out of a car, is inexcusable. Once when biking, this man threw a cigarette butt out of the window, guess, who caught the burn , right, on the bare leg?
I was not impressed.
In this case though the man got out and apologized, rightfully so.
To throw anything out of your car, can only be perceived as a totally selfish act.

Don't care where this goes, don't care what happens, don't care the mess it makes, or even if it injures someone.
The bike ridin girl, kudos, for caring about your neighbourhood!
The man, needs help, desperately and quickly.
That he came back to attack this woman, well it speaks volumes,
I mean, it was his garbage, so what's his problem?
i keep a garbage bag in my car, and throw my trash in there, then I take it home,
Is that difficult?
i don't find it so.
it's too bad that an altercation like that happened between the two.

Robert: 2nd Feb 2006 - 12:28 GMT

To respond to Yoshi's comment about the rapists... which seems a bit extreme. I think that North America's severe garbage probem will not go away by throwing our city's garbage into the proper containers. We still ship the garbage out of town to landfill sites that pollute the environment. The more garbage that is left on our streets, the more likely that everyday people wake up to this fact. Have fun!

Lefty: 2nd Feb 2006 - 12:36 GMT

This incident is a great litle microcosm. The Cock will never be punished, never learn anything or even realise he was wrong. His girlfreind will stand by her man; and the Cock will know he was in the right. Six mounths of picking up garbage on the street for ten hours a day un payed is whats needed.

moto: 2nd Feb 2006 - 13:07 GMT

have you ever seen a courier go nuts.i did it was leah kicking in my car door,she was charged.

nat: 2nd Feb 2006 - 13:26 GMT

hey i dont blame the guy for littering,thoose market patty's taste like shit

alexis: 2nd Feb 2006 - 13:31 GMT

pietro you have been the only person that has actually made sense here

zeezee toularee: 2nd Feb 2006 - 14:00 GMT

LEAH: social conscience takes guts. i'm glad you're part of my community.
HOOL:
with regards to the star sniping your pictures...
i am not totally clear about copyright infringements for newspapers, but i know that some artists whose work ends up in the background of pictures published in magazines (even partial images / backgrounders), can demand a fee paid retroactivly. if you were to manage to receive it, wouldn't it be great to see some money go to a bike advocacy group, or an extra large no littering sign in kensington at the spot it happened. although i think it's also absolutely fine to go into your pocket, you did a good thing documenting this event. anything that garners this kind of discussion, is important, and i think shoudl be encouraged - and rewarded. i know that within the visual arts copyright is implicit upon the creation of the work, so you didn't even have to tell them to not take it.

i have mixed feelings on copyright, copyleft and creative commons in terms of the sharing of culture & it's information but it's especially frustrating when profit making companies snipe stuff off people's web sites without permission, to sell more papers without paying for the use of it. and even more so when you have explicitly stated/communicated with them that they are not allowed to.

it might be worth pointing out some of the legal stuff around copyright to the star, although i'm sure they are aware.

maybe you already are too! maybe you already have this info...

http://www.carfac.ca

and here is a fee schedule that most arts & print institutions follow with regards to paying people. http://www.carfac.ca/documents/CARFAC%20FEE%20SCHEDULE%202005%20Dec%2013%202004%20final.pdf

here is a blurb from www.carcc.ca outlining artists copyright.

The intangible, as opposed to the physical, aspects of an artistic work are an artist’s intellectual property (IP). The Canadian Copyright Act protects copyright, one area covered by intellectual property laws. Copyright is automatic upon the creation of a work, and the Act gives the artist the right to benefit financially from the use of his or her work.

In Canada, copyright accords the artist the rights to approve use, to specify terms of use, and to receive compensation for:

* Exhibition Rights - the public exhibition of work, including permanent collections. This right does not include the exhibition of works for sale or rent.
* Reproduction Rights - the reproducing of a work, or a substantial part thereof, into any other material form, including digital or electronic.
* Reprography Rights - the reproduction of a work by photocopy or other duplication, a right that is managed collectively.
* Telecommunication Rights - the transmission or retransmission of a work by radio or television, via cable, satellite, wire, and so on.

Moral Rights are non-economic rights and held only by the creator. They protect the artist’s reputation through rights of Paternity, Integrity and Association.

and finally here is a website for creative commons: http://creativecommons.org/

Demigod: 2nd Feb 2006 - 14:26 GMT

There are many EXCUSABLE instances in this story to believe it was simply each other's acts which caused the problem to escalate to the point of where it did. Obviously both individuals need some Anger Management courses and also a good lesson on respect. Now, I'm only speculating on the story which I have read in here. The truth may never be told. I've thrown many fruit peels/seeds from my car, mostly driving in the country which I don't believe is a crime, however we don't know what the litter was or even if it was directed/hit the cyclist. All-in-All, they both acted our of anger and this doesn't make a good combination. I believe the coffee (either being scolding hot or even luke warm) thrown at the cyclist was the pivot-point of the event. Anything after this was purely the act of uncontrolable anger.

grange: 2nd Feb 2006 - 14:29 GMT

Cool action in T.O.and not a gun in sight, things are looking up.I think some of the guys are missing something though . Who's the smokin chick in the white vest ?
Maybe the "victims" should just take this as a lesson, neither one of them got a 9mm popped int he forehead, so live and live .

123456789: 2nd Feb 2006 - 14:56 GMT

cuz there white thats why there was no guns involvd

humans suck: 2nd Feb 2006 - 15:03 GMT

clearly both were in the wrong here,
i detest littering as much as anyone here, but you can't go around throwing it back in people's cars,
leah, your first clue that this guy was a dick was the fact that he would toss something from his car in broad daylight in plain view of people on the street,
what kind of person does that? most litterers are probably discreet because they know they are doing something wrong.

as for those of you who want to stand up and try and justify this guy's actions- get a f.uckin' life, this guy should be neutered for the good of us all.

Leah's third uncle, Uncky Dingle: 2nd Feb 2006 - 15:21 GMT

Leah, we have lots of cow patties out here at your inbred cousin billy bob's farm, that need to be picked up. We can whips them inside the open windows of passing cars...teeheehee. Remember we used to do that stuff, heeheehee. i know that's why you whipped the patty inside that man's car... i know my little buggyly-boo Leah, oh i knows her good..

Leah, c'mon back from toronto and meet the rest of your inbred family one weekend... i promise, we won't run out of cow patties, and there'll be lots of mayonnaise sandwiches for everyone this time. We's family, Leah, we's family. Gotta stick together, ok? Give your uncky dingle a jingle.

anon (HSE-Montreal-ppp339692.sympatico.ca): 2nd Feb 2006 - 15:22 GMT

I am a Kensington Market resident living on the street where the altercation took place. My first reaction upon hearing the news was “wow, maybe the city will FINALLY allow us to have garbage cans now.” We are dealing with the usual high traffic during the days, as well as ever-increasing night clubs and booze cans. I typically have to remove broken liquor bottles, drug paraphenelia, and over 100 cigarette butts from my property each morning, not to mention litter such as the food which caused this incident. Last year, someone was using a property a few doors down to throw out their household garbage in the middle of the night. They even threw out a stained mattress, and it took weeks of phone calls before the city removed it. Although the issue of litter and lack of garbage cans has been brought up with city officials at numerous meetings over the years, we still do not have any garbage cans in the neighbourhood. People are left with the choice of littering, or carrying their garbage out of the neighbourhood and disposing of it in a neighbourhood which city officials have blessed with garbage bins.

As for Mr. Krawesky photographing instead of helping, I believe he did the right thing, and it’s a lesson which I had to learn the hard way. Because I put my camera down last year during a huge life-threatening street brawl on Augusta to call 911, we are still waiting for action to be taken against the people who contributed to it.

Ben: 2nd Feb 2006 - 15:25 GMT

Can someone tell me why we CAN'T throw some pricks garbage back into his car.If i see that, I will most definately throw the garbage back in. I mean, if he disrespects the environment that much then he shouldn't mind the junk in his car either. Pricks like that deserve to have all of the garbage that you can find threwn on/in their car. maybe they will think before they do it again. We need to have lynch mods again so we can tar and feather this Fucknut.

Nerd: 2nd Feb 2006 - 15:26 GMT

She provoked the incident initially and obviously his reaction was over the top by throwing coffee. I'm not on the guys side I just think she has enough people hightlighting her as the victim. Let's just say it was a reflex reaction throwing the coffee (he probably didn't even realise what sex she was at that stage). Next she keys the car. It's not as though he can take down the her reg and call the cops! So he hops on the wheel of her bike in retaliation. Now check out photo's 3 and 4 - she hits him a belt. Even in 5 and 6 he's still going for the bike. 7 and 8 she's going for him. Granted he's gobshite for not keeping his cool and his reaction was crazy but in fairness she totally provoked the incident.

Yukon: 2nd Feb 2006 - 15:31 GMT

Couriers are all dicks. they think they own the fucking road because they are on a bike. If the the snarling pencil neck woman-beater did in fact litter then he needs to have his neck snapped as well. I say put em both in a cage and let them fuck each other up. The winner gets to sodomize the stupid blonde with a hamburger patty just for being with such a pathetic "man". Look at the fourth/fifth picture, the little girlie gets up off the pavement and drives the puppy fucker into the back of the car. Clearly she would have kicked his ass if the by standers didnt break it up.

as a postcript...blondes really are that dumb. Too bad they dont have spell check on here, she could have used it. Twat.

JimboToronto: 2nd Feb 2006 - 16:03 GMT

I live on Augusta Ave about a block north of where this occurred but missed it due to being out of town. I am neither a bike courier nor a motorist, but my sympathies lie with the courier in this case. I feel grateful that someone had the courage to stand up to this worthless litterbug scumbag who was endangering cyclists and defiling the neighborhood with his lowlife behavior.

Merely throwing his own garbage back where it came from showed great restraint. It wasn't until he assaulted her personally that she even keyed his shitbox. Even that showed great restraint, as it wasn't a personal attack, merely minor tit-for-tat. Deface our streets with your litter, and you deserve to have your car defaced.

If he had been a man about it, he'd have admitted he'd been caught red-handed and apologized for littering. Instead he behaved like a pathetic little cargoof and threw a childish tantrum.

By throwing coffee at the good samaritan he crossed a big line. He made it personal. A car is no more personal than the road is, except perhaps to the kind of knuckleheaded moron who considers a car to be a reflection of its owner, a personal fashion statement. What would he have done if someone had emptied a portapotty in through the smashed window into his precious little car after taking a pickax to the fenders and doors and injecting sugar syrup through the lock in the gascap? Oh boo hoo.

This is not about male vs female nor motorist vs courier. It is about arrogant a$$holes who hide in their cars like cowards while spewing garbage on the rest of the world.

There is absolutely no excuse for driving a car on Augusta Ave on a Saturday afternoon except to make a delivery. We have two municipal parking lots, one in the southeast and one in the northwest of our neighborhood. If he had parked his car and was walking as he should have been, he probably wouldn't have littered in the first place. Cars have a tendency to turn people into doofuses.

This incident only underscores the need to close Kensington Market to non-commercial automobiles.

As for the litterbug doofus, he'll get his from someone somewhere sometime. Scumbags like him always do.

.........

BTW, great pics Hool. Talk about lucky timing. The best thing for me is learning about this website. Mind you, I couldn't even open this page until this morning. I guess the servers have been a little overstrained.

Jellyroll: 2nd Feb 2006 - 16:04 GMT

God damn I hope that littering asshole gets ticketed, fined, and then sued. The world is his fucking garbage can, is it? I don't condone what the courrier did but wouldn't convict her of anything either.

pajamas: 2nd Feb 2006 - 16:21 GMT

Everyone in this situation is fucking stupid. Sure, litter sucks, but how does whipping garbage at someone -really- help? Do we think he'll stop littering from this action? Really it would have been just as effective to draw attention to the car and point out to everyone in the surrounding area that the guy is littering. Let the crowd make him feel like shit!

Everyone needs to stop talking about this crazy woman like she's a fucking martyr.

And there is no way she scratched that car accidentally. That's like accidentally shaving your arms.

C. Alpha Jones: 2nd Feb 2006 - 16:30 GMT

Once saw a fellow litter. I commented "What a jerk." Jerk heard, turned around snarling and looked like he was going to do/say something nasty. . . until another passer-by said "I agree, you are a jerk." Jerk saw he was outnumbered and, like most bully-boys IMMEDIATELY backed down with the lame excuse that he was from the States, as if that is what they do down there. He then retrived his garbage and depositied it in the proper receptacle which was a few feet away. Someone should tell the driver's Mommy. Kudos to the photographer.

boogieshoes: 2nd Feb 2006 - 16:31 GMT

Leah Rules, Litterbug's a tool
Cops don't give a crap about litter
Public littering is everyone's business.
Hopefully some would-be litterbugs will now take responsibility for their garbage. Kensington market rules. If you don't like artists and characters, stay the f... away! No one's forcing you to come here and stuff your face with takeout food.

The Lawman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 16:58 GMT

Who authorized her to be a city cleanup nazi? Isn't that a job for the city sanitation engineers. Actually when you think about it (so few do) she was taking work away from city employees. She had no authority to initiate litter vengence.

The Lawman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:01 GMT

And Leah you obviously are too stressed in being a courier that you have to lash out at litterers. Why don't you quit before you go postal and kill someone.

RcM: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:12 GMT

Can we find out who the hotty in the white vest is?? thats the best pic of all

Paco: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:19 GMT

bike messanger Leah is an idiot. "accidentally" scaratched his car with her bike key? please. she threw garbage into his car, she had to expect a reaction. she got it. tough break.

joe c: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:20 GMT

as a bicycle commuter i completely sympathize with leah. however, opening the door was taboo.

she should have just tossed the garbage on his windsheild

Paco: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:20 GMT

bike messanger Leah is an idiot. "accidentally" scaratched his car with her bike key? please. she threw garbage into his car, she had to expect a reaction. she got it. tough break. i hope she rides her bike under a bus next time

Paco: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:20 GMT

bike messanger Leah is an idiot. "accidentally" scaratched his car with her bike key? please. she threw garbage into his car, she had to expect a reaction. she got it. tough break. i hope she rides her bike under a bus next time

What a joke. : 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:32 GMT

this whole thing makes me want to cry...always amazed at the stupidity of ourselves

What a joke. : 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:33 GMT

this whole thing makes me want to cry...always amazed at the stupidity of ourselves

Hans Studenfadden: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:33 GMT

Who hasen't wanted to do that to a bike courier? She never even gets hit with one single punch or kick, big deal he grabed her jacket.
What is with the idiot bystandars getting involved? Don't they read the papers? It is not worth getting shot to save an idiot form a deserved beating. A girl here in Vancouver got shot and killed trying to break up a fight outside of a night club, she was actually shot by the guy she was trying to "save." I have no sympathy for people who stick their necks out.

matt: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:33 GMT

That dumb courier got what she deserved. They selectively follow traffic laws, and then all of a sudden they're environmentalists? I hope he destroyed her bike.

Hans Studenfadden is a pussy: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:38 GMT

Afraid of the world you are. Go ahead under your bed.

alex the cool kid: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:40 GMT

that guy is crazy, throwing garbage out a window thats littering incase you dident know! And the courier should have just told him insted of throwing it at him. So inclosing there both fools.

alex the cool kid: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:40 GMT

That guy is crazy, throwing garbage out a window thats littering incase you dident know! And the courier should have just told him insted of throwing it at him. So inclosing there both fools.

babs: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:42 GMT

I've had two days worth of blog comments to read. What I've noticed is that there seems to be two camps of opinions. One belonging to the cyclists and one to the motorists. I find it strange that in work discussions, the fact that the woman is a courier is one of the most important facts. There is a lack of sympathy towards bike couriers in this city (toronto). Had she been just a woman on her bike shopping downtown, I belive the general outrage would be higher. While I don't think it was a wise move to open a strangers car door and chuck food at him (even if it was his own), in a city that is rapidly declining in areas of cleanliness and safety, I would like to applaud this woman on her couragous stand against an injustice she saw in her community. It's a shame that more people don't speak up when they see something wrong. This should be a lesson learned for those of us who have pride in this beautiful city. Also for the police who did not lay charges to either party after taking thier statements. Clearly there needs to be a priority put on cleaning up and saving this urban centre. Litter and violent road rage are still illegal.

smoker: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:43 GMT

Well, one new thing Ive learned from this thread is how annoyed some people apparently get when cigarette butts are thrown on the street. Not sure why I had previously considered to be fairly benign...maybe I just thought the street/sidewalk cleaners got them before they reached any sort of noticable mass and that no one cared?

Anyway, now I know. Perhaps a byproduct of this whole ugly incident is that people will examine there own habits and responsibilties to the community. Or maybe not.

Now what the hell am I going to do with teh cigarette butts?

C-ho: litter gives people jobs

anon (CPE000129ff6803-CM0014f8633a9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com): 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:48 GMT

Good for her! It is all about being a pig and not caring or respecting our precious environment. Littering is totally NOT cool! If this girl is a single mom and working very hard as a bike messenger etc her bike is very important to her! I am all for starting a small fund to help get her bike repaired! Canada is now full of immigrants which is fine, but many, especially children have no idea how friggin' disrespectful and very low it is to throw garbage recklessly for everyone else to deal with! I have the same problem in London, Ontario with school children walking by my house on a daily basis. Tell this guy, "the world is not your garbage can"! I am like this girl, and sometimes get involved or stand up to things that most would not. It is all about principle, respect and loving our environment and respecting others. I'd bet the farm this guy just for the life of him can't understand why anyone would not eat meat, would help a total stranger with no questions asked, or would ever do an act of random kindness for a fellow human being or even understand the idea of walking quietly and leaving as little wake as possible as we go through life. It is about being evolved, being aware, being kind and compassionate and fighting for that principle. I applaud this girl very much! THE GUY IS A PIG! And we should all fight like this girl did, for our environment, and for truth, light and love. I better shut up now, lol.

it's a wrap: 2nd Feb 2006 - 17:49 GMT

There are two very real solutions. The avian flu pandemic will keep bike couriers and drivers off the streets. Ever more expensive fossil fuels will take care of the cars. There. Is that a better world? Maybe we should all just take a deep breath and enjoy life a little more while we can.

angryjohnny: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:01 GMT

Most of you guys are missing the point...whether you think she did the right thing or if she did the wrong thing...nobody cares about your opinion... the message is clear and the message is this... If you decide to throw garbage out of your car onto the streets where people live ( yes people live there!) dont be too surpirsed if someone from the neighborhood pulls you out of your car and beats the hell out of you, end of story.

And for you dumbass americans who think they have saved us canadians... when the shit hits the fan?? From what?? what the hell are you talking about...when was this time you saved us from...and from what... you see you dont have to save us from anyone and never will have to, why? because we dont fuck other countries around so they dont fuck with us.

it\\\'s a wrap: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:01 GMT

There's actually quite a bit of litter on the road and sidewalk in the photos, even a patty or an empanada just under the white van. I sure hope Leah hug around long enough to finish her job.

Exbluejob: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:06 GMT

I take my hat off to the courier. Our cities and countryside is being slowly ruined by these thoughtless assholes. Perhaps if we find where he lives and dump the contents of a dozen garbage cans on his property the message would get through. A baseball bat in his trunk in January. Gives me pause for thought anyway.

sidney: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:09 GMT

Only some of the losers!! Paco. Matt. Hans. Get a life! You are such LOSERS! Your comments remind me of somebody who crawled out of a cave. That's how aware or evovled you are. But i understand, you don't know what being 'evolved' means or being aware means, how could you? hahaha. You guys are so not what society needs! omg! Please try to get a life! She is my hero! Standing up to the pig is what we should all do, but most don't have the gonads! She should have rubbed his food in his face! But then again, that might be classed as assault? Leah is right, the pig is very wrong. Litter is sooo not cool! And being shot outside a nightclub at 2 in the morning is very unfortunate, but fueled by our wonderful legal drug, alcohol. Matt, Hans and Paco? Please grow up! Or better yet, move to the USA. They love rednecks with the typical pin head mentality you display. Scary if you are in Canada! Please just move to Georgia or Texas! They would love your tiny tiny mind, you would fit in well! LOSERS!!

Kewl Dude: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:09 GMT

"angryjohnny: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:01 GMT
Most of you guys are missing the point...whether you think she did the right thing or if she did the wrong thing...nobody cares about your opinion... the message is clear and the message is this... If you decide to throw garbage out of your car onto the streets where people live ( yes people live there!) dont be too surpirsed if someone from the neighborhood pulls you out of your car and beats the hell out of you, end of story."

No, dude, you missed the point. The message is clear. If you take the law into your own hands, i.e. tossing garbage at someone, expect to get your assed kicked.

Pedro: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:11 GMT

If you see a minor bylaw infraction as a mandate for your personal involvement - well do me a favour and wear a cape and mask so I'll know to avoid you.

I think that the world's biggest problem is not litter - but if you do...then go ahead and rage on.

moose: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:12 GMT

Just a few points . In Toronto an auto repair shop would charge about $400 to repair the so called key scratch , a minimum repair cost , but you could do it yourself for about $5 by using touchup paint that you could buy from Canadian Tire. The Kensington Market Area has a serious garbage problem and does not need meat patties on the street . It does not matter if the patty fell out of the car or was thrown, he should not have been a slob. Leah should have tucked the patty into the front grill or behiond teh rear bumper .

moose: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:12 GMT

Just a few points . In Toronto an auto repair shop would charge about $400 to repair the so called key scratch , a minimum repair cost , but you could do it yourself for about $5 by using touchup paint that you could buy from Canadian Tire. The Kensington Market Area has a serious garbage problem and does not need meat patties on the street . It does not matter if the patty fell out of the car or was thrown, he should not have been a slob. Leah should have tucked the patty into the front grill or behiond teh rear bumper .

Barmitzvah: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:14 GMT

Hey Rob, how old are you? Ten? Do you have your parents permission to use their computer? Littering creates jobs? Also Rapists and murderers help the prison industry. How would society hold together without them?

yoshi: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:14 GMT

to robert from about 12 hours ago,
ok robert, i see where you're going with that, and ok, i admit that was an extreme and maybe unfair comparison. so you're suggesting that "if everybody littered, it would expose our problems as a society and maybe we would have a less wastefull society"....am i right?
well, that is a bit idealistic, and probably a copout for laziness, an easy excuse for littering.

but i don't know you and shouldn't presume that you do. the mature and realistic thing to do, however, is to take part in small ways...it's so easy...unless you are really going to make a difference, campaign against city hall, etc, "deliberate littering to save society from itself", littering because it gives people jobs, is just childish and elitist. you need to grow up.

Judge Dredd: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:15 GMT

ok that isn't cool. where did my original comment go?

Catzas: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:15 GMT

This is not road rage as in "cyclist vs. auto. This is a concerned citizen trying to stop some idiot from turning our streets into a garbage dump. The guy, without doubt, is a real jerk as well as a bully. A real he-man taking on a small girl. I wonder if he would have been as brave if the cyclist had been a man, 6 ft., and 200 lbs. Wish I knew where he lived. Have I got some garbage for him!!!!

angryjohnny: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:24 GMT

Kewl Dude: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:09 GMT
No, dude, you missed the point. The message is clear. If you take the law into your own hands, i.e. tossing garbage at someone, expect to get your assed kicked.

first of all that guy couldn't kick anybody's ass.
I hope he weighs about 230 lbs and has been boxing for about 8 years or it anit going to be much of a fight.

If you disrespect where I live expect a fight.. I would expect the same if I drove by your street and threw garbage in front of your house.

The Litter That Got Thrown: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:25 GMT

I was with the dude before he pitched me into the street. He appeared to be having a bad day. Kept muttering that he hadn't had a decent shit in 3 days and was hoping that the egg bagel I had wrapped up would do the trick. (Not with extra Cheddar on it!) He was also quite distressed about the choice he made in a jacket. He was speaking aloud how people were calling him "Evil Kenivel" whenever they saw the jacket. He was pretty pissed when he pitched me out the window. I guess he wasn't thinking stright.

I'm still laying in the street if anybody would mind picking me up instead of pissing and moaning and waiting for the city to roll around and do the job.

bertro: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:30 GMT

I think this courier totaly esclated things to the point of silliness...Yeah, littering is not cool - but anyone with an I.Q. over 70 knows that when you throw garabge back in the car the guy is not going to say "Oh..I am sorry...big, bad me, thank you for showing me the errors of my ways". People will always do what others may find personally offensive - its just life. Get over it. However, when you take it upon yourself to be the official self-righteous guardian of your views (ex: In this case - littering) and try to force some jerk to be respectful of them or get his car keyed - well it's kinds like poking a bear with a stick.

The Apeman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:34 GMT

Typical Toronto mentality. I lived there long enough to finally swing on outta there like an urban monkey and find normality and decent humans outside that sess pool of filth. Spoiled , ungrateful liberal-wackos with no morals and no respect for one another. I am not sure who I feel for, the cyclist or possibly the guy that finally snapped and had enough of being tortured by disrespectful ingrates (not sure if she was or not). Dont know the story here. You all got in my face one way or another. Glad I am gone from that self-destructing, Sodom and Gomora of a town.

JimboToronto: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:35 GMT

I can't believe the hatred spewing from the tiny pea brains of the cargoofs.

Cargoof Matt says,"That dumb courier got what she deserved. They selectively follow traffic laws, and then all of a sudden they're environmentalists? I hope he destroyed her bike."

So all of a sudden a single community-minded individual becomes "they"? Cargoof Matt is probably such a worthless POS driver that he's already been taken to task by cyclists and instead of admitting his shortcomings blames the victim by lashing out at all bike couriers. Cargoof Matt should grow up.

Cargoof Paco says, " she threw garbage into his car, she had to expect a reaction".

I say, "he threw garbage onto the street, he had to expect a reaction". Is it too difficult for a cargoof to understand that the litterbug started it by littering. Compared to the much more serious offence of littering, her merely throwing it back in his car was a very restrained reaction.

She should have keyed his shitbox and sped away just for littering. Instead she was nice about it and merely threw his own garbage back in. The scumbag should have apologized and admitted he was a loser instead of personally attacking her. Instead he got all worked up over something as trivial and impersonal as a car.

If anyone deserved to have his vehicle destroyed or go under the wheels of a bus it was the litterbug cargoof.

I am not nor have I ever been a bike courier. When I was seventeen, in my youthful folly I stupidly thought driving a car was cool and owned and drove several vehicles. Luckily I grew up.

Are you people insane?: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:36 GMT

If you threw my litter back in the car at me, you better believe you're getting your ass kicked. Stupid hippies.

Think of poor White Vest Girl!: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:40 GMT

First of all - Leah, you are my new hero. Yes, you over-reacted, but at least you 1.) have respect for your town and your environment and 2.) you had the grace to admit that you acted inappropriately.

Of course, I don't think it would do any good to politely hand someone his garbage back or ask him not to litter. If he is past the age of 4 he should have already been taught not to be a filthy pig, so it's not like he is going to pay attention now. Picking up his trash and putting it in a receptacle is exactly what the pig expects (my apologies to farm animals for insulting their good name). Obviously the world revolves around him, he doesn't care about the environment, and he expect others to pick up after him.

Call the police about littering? What are they going to do? If the police didn't witness it, it didn't happen.

The person we should be concerned about is White Vest Girl. She isn't the first girl who, even though pretty, has such low self esteem that she will act as an enabler to a violent thug. Maybe Rage Boy is rich and she feels it is all worthwhile to be able to ride in an "expensive" car and wear nice jewelry. Maybe that big rock on her finger was a "baby I'm sorry, I won't ever hit you again" present (have it appraised, girl - could be a zircon). Maybe he has her so emotionally whipped she thinks she doesn't deserve any better.

Maybe she just feeds on the drama - this can't be the first confrontation Rage Boy and his bat have been in.

For her (probably make-believe) brother - maybe she is such an enabler because in her/your family it is the expected norm for women to be mistreated. Maybe you have suspicions she is being abused but so long as you can deny it you don't have to take action. Maybe she is being abused and is ashamed/afraid enough to hide it from her family. Often the family is the last to know. Here's some signs for you to look for: does she "bump into door frames" often, leaving bruises or breaking bones? Does she start talking in a soft, calming "don't poke the bear" tone of voice whenever Rage Boy starts getting worked up? Does she always go around looking scared, knowing that even if someone else provoked Rage Boy she will be the one going home with him?

If White Vest Girl stays with this guy she is going to end up badly hurt. He may not be hitting her yet, but it's only a matter of time. (I'll bet he has.)

For all you macho jerks who talk about how women of your culture would be beaten or killed for such behavior - if you admire a culture where women are abused and treated like slaves, then it is obvious that the only way you can keep a woman is by locking her up and depriving her of respect and self-esteem. A real woman wouldn't have anything to do with you. Get over it or go back to your third world country. You won't be missed.

For you online vigilantes - Think, people. Just because some yahoo posted a name here and says he's the idiot involved, use your brain before harassing some potentially innocent person. Who's to say someone isn't just trying to stir up trouble against someone he doesn't like. Why would even an idiot post his own name on a message board like this where there are so many half-wits threatening extreme violence over an episode that doesn't involve them and they don't know all the facts?

MalX: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:54 GMT

What the hell is a jigaboo SamFarber? Is that the same as an illiterate narrow minded redneck cock sucker from Butfuck Hicksville where your Ma and Pa also call you grandson and brother?
As for Leah, you did the right thing girl. I only wish I was there to stomp the prick a new ass hole.

This is why Canada Sucks: 2nd Feb 2006 - 18:57 GMT

Do that kinda shit in America and you get your ass kicked no questions asked. Who the hell does that Courier think she is? Captain Planet?

White vest is hot. : That's for sure.

anon (adsl-68-123-202-59.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net): 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:11 GMT

Where does the litterbug/woman beater work? I hope he gets fired.

MalX: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:11 GMT

And it’s because of that bull shit attitude why America is fast becoming a third world nation. You people have no respect for anyone or anything and your moral values are all in the sewers. Go to hell!!!!!

vest-girls: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:14 GMT

ok, i'm a little late here. did read many, didn't write - will now - hey, do you see the archetypes here? look carefully at the photos again - will now - what i mean to say is that white vest girl and black vest girl sort of balance, pushing and pulling or like and angel and demon on the frazzled villians shoulders. bike girl shows unexpected vigor when bike stomped upon, and look closely at raging villains face in pic. 7 - he laughs a moments tension away saying, 'whoah, look whos taking this seriously' or 'c'mon honey, it was a joke'.

i want to see white vest-girl and black vest-girl, opposite poles in the vest-girl spectrum of girls, do it.

hurrah canada!

Barmitzvah: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:14 GMT

To the 'white vest girl'who is engaged to this nut. I understand your horror at how "unladylike" this courier behaved. Part of her problem is that she probably doesn't live with a violent psychopath who beats and intimidates her into submission. Here in the new world we are experimenting with a new social order that allows the two genders to behave in new untraditional ways. Some women wear trousers, others ride bicycles, some might even take an interest in the cleanliness of their community. If you decide to take part in our little "scheme" you might start by breaking up with this ape and try dating men or women with fully developed frontal lobes. If not here is the address of one of the many good women's shelters in the city for after he turns his baseball bat on you.YWCA women's 24 hour line ph: 416.693.7342 email: shelter@ywcatoronto.org.

Red Jenny: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:16 GMT

nice to know that throwing food and damaging someone's car can get you physically assaulted and your bike smashed. She let her temper get away from her, but what he did is so much worse!

Cars shouldn't even be in Kensington market anyways. WTF!

commonsense11: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:21 GMT

Obvious that this site is drop-in for bike courier trash, jusdging by sympathy for "Leah" (I've met her too, meth-head cranky bitch that she is) Hope her bike is fucked but good, that'll teach her to try and enforce her moral code....10 minutes before this sequence, I'll bet she was pedalling down the sidewalk, couldnt give a shit for the law or pedestrian health....throw her in jail, who needs these $9/hr over-grown kids on their toys, cluttering up the streets anyway?

HAHAHA: oh man, this is like a hippie convention.

Marc from Ottawa: Thank goodness for gun laws!!!

anon (adsl-68-123-202-59.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net): 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:31 GMT

I can't believe how many of you Canadians support the white trash who litters then beats girls. No wonder your country is the new Bangaledesh.

Peter: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:32 GMT

In no particular order...
Don't litter. It's lazy, immature, low class, dirty and should be obvious. I'd punish this guy by making him clean the streets for a weekend with a sign on his back that says, "I littered our streets and all I got was this stupid broom."
Boys don't hit girls...period. It's unmanly and weak. Instead, you hit on them, you fool. It's much more civilized. (Oh, and they don't like you to stomp on their bicycles, either.)
I agree. The woman in the white vest is HOT!
I'm from the US and saw this on the Internet. Wow! You Canadians have more pent-up rage than people give you credit for. Keep it up and some of you'll be made honorary citizens of the US!
It was nice to see some people on the scene take action and break up the mess, as opposed to standing by or looking the other way. That kind of attitude will also make you honorary citizens of the US.

Has a brain: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:36 GMT

So, who paid for the streets anyway, I'll bet it was the motorist not the cyclist. Cyclists think they own the world, but never paid for a penny of it. Expect everyone else go give way for them when they haven't contributed a thin penny to install or maintain any of it.

No you don't have a brain: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:41 GMT

Cyclists 1) usually also own cars and 2) pay taxes. I'm pretty sure that low-life rageaholic hasn't paid as much in taxes as I have and guess what? I ride a bike (also own a car).

carolina333: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:42 GMT

Sorry everybody but was she really so concerned about the garbage - thats what she says - how do you know she wasnt in a bad mood and just wanted to get her frustrations back at the guy. What business is it of hers to throw the garbage back into his car. Is she the garbage police just because she is a bike courier (and if so why didnt she do the right thing for him and throw it in a waste receptacle ensuring she separate the food from the paper wrap), maybe she wishes she owned a car like that. Yeah he went overboard. This city has become an angry place to live. Blame the politicians, maybe the guy is sick of being a garbage collector. We should all be sick of sorting garbage, (thats why we pay property tax so the city can do these jobs and not us) ohh and dont forget not only do you as a homeowner have to pay to have your garbage collected you have to pay to get a blue box, green bin and small waste container for the kitchen. Let the cityworkers sort the garbage. If the courier wants to do something worthwhile she should watch out for robbers, murderers and theives - leave the garbage alone. Kensington Market is a filthy place no matter how you look at it. Ms Bike Courier - look for a higher purpose in your life!!!!!

atavist: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:44 GMT

Hope the east euro mafioso ashole doesn't get insurance to cover damage to his suv. Should be sent to Singapore to get some sirloin flogged off his butt and come back all nice and polite. Yessiree, yowsa, yesm! And photos of his punishment posted for all to see.
Moreover: anyone driving a 5 ton suv is basically saying fuck-you to the environment, to the society and to the world. Tossing food and trash out the window is perfectly predictable and should be met with proper response. Calling Taliban, the amputation guy ...

Peter: That's not a girl! That's a man, baby!

Aaron: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:50 GMT


Yeah, the guy shouldn't have thrown garbage out on the street. And couriers are probably particularly sensitive to that since they are exposed to being hit by debris thrown out of car windows.

But I think the courier could have interacted more effectively with the driver. For example, instead of the courier taking this on as one individual in a showdown with another, she could have found multiple ways to humorously alert public passerbys to what the guy just did. Enlisting a little public shame can be a great motivator, and defuses possible retribution against a single person. He might not have responded positively right away, but if the goal is to get the guy to think about his socially unacceptable behavior, then tossing his crap back into his window - although it sure feels good to do that - is not an effective, nor particularly dignified, response.

In addition, I can't believe she would be so socially uninitiated as to think that tossing the garbage back into his car would not provoke an angry and perhaps violent response. Personally, I think there is poetic justice in getting his crap thrown right back at him. But practically, escalating to that doesn't accomplish much, doesn't inspire much sympathy or admiration, and risks a lot. If you want other people to behave in a less socially insensitive way, then you have to hold yourself to an even higher standard. If she had simply pulled up alongside and cooly explained why he shouldn't litter, he probably would have told her to go to hell and driven off. But I'd wager he would have at least re-thought his actions after he had cooled down, and we sure wouldn't have had this brawl ensue.

An iteresting article that speaks to these kind of issues of social interaction in a tense urban evironment can be read here: http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article.cfm?archiveDate=05-03-05&storyID=21314

non-motorist: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:52 GMT

White-vest girl... anybody who drives in Kensington Market isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Try getting out of your car! (Needless to say you should try getting out of your relationship also.)

Dan: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:55 GMT

That motorist should be charged with littering, fined and made to do public service like pick up the litter that "back side orifaces" like him throw on public areas. I have done the same thing myself. A passenger in a car ahead of me threw a McD drink and hamburger container out of the window, nearly hitting my winshield due to the wind. I pulled over, picked it up, and caught up with him. Followed him to his house, watched him park, got out of my car and threw the garbage onto his lawn and told him that he must have accidently dropped this. Other times, I have seen passengers or drivers throw empty beer bottles out of their car. The only way to clean up a pig's act is to confront him with it.

Yo mama: 2nd Feb 2006 - 19:56 GMT

a Bull Dyke equipped with an assault helmet messin wit my ride is gonna get a smack down. Liberal vegan, easily mistaken for a man, hence hates men needed her ugly faced kicked in. Poor guy pays mucho bucks in gas taxes for his vehicle, which covers street sweeping. get over it you fucking moonbat tinfoil bitch. any low-rent psuedo taliban delivering important docs for "the man" shouldnt be allowed to have a key to anything. shouldnt even vote or drive or open her mustached ugly mug. put on a birkha and walk behind the man and dont let me hear a peep out of ya

The one and only: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:10 GMT

That motorist should have his balls cut off. I don't think much of his girl friend if she puts up with the actions of that pig, or maybe she likes to wallow in trash. My congats to the courier. It would have been much better if she could have dumped the contents of a toilet in his car.

bumblefoot2004: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:14 GMT

I used to work at a Burger King. One day I was sweeping up garbage right next to the drive-thru window. Some lady drove up and threw a lit cig out her windows, and almost hit me with it. So, right before she drove off, I picked up the cig and threw it back into her car's back seat. She didn't see me, thank God, but I felt pretty satisfied after that. Bitch.

Dan: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:14 GMT

I can't believe I read this far...

Because of the notoriety of this blog entry, its not surprising to see so many trolls coming here. I have to believe that a lot of the angry people defending the motorist are just doing it to provoke - what a waste of everyone's time. :roll:

It also looks like there are some bored people presenting themselves as someone they're not. Lots of gullible readers accepting things at face value too. Hopefully more facts on the story will come to light.

However, amongst all the moronic waste-of-time posts, there's also a lot of good stuff; and on a variety of issues too :)

The anti-cycling vitriol is sad: the bike is a noble and fun choice of vehicle, and bicycles are a part of traffic - learn to deal with it, people. Heck - TRY IT - you might love it!!

The anti-courier rants are misguided: the vast majority are skilled professionals who flow through traffic like a deer through the woods - it's the occasional cyclists that scare me! There are LOTS of idiots don't know the rules of the road and pull bone-headed moves whether they're on a bike or in a car. And I'll take a bad rider over a bad driver any day - far less of a threat! We need stricter licensing. Vancouver couriers have plates - not in T.O.?

The anti-female sentiments are abhorrent. 'Nuff said.

Funny that people assume that the polluting, self-centered moron drives an SUV -- it kinda fits the stereotype, doesn't it...? He might be driving an Acura, but you just *know* he'd rather have an H2! Cool post by 'Chevette Washington' :
"SUV & Litter & Violence. Microcosm; Macrocosm. Thats Big Oil right there in one guy viva Cyclista!". (BTW - love the nick!)

In a perfect world, people who litter would be punished with 100 hours of community service doing garbage pickup work - but realistically we all know that the anti-litter laws have no teeth. Many people here obviously feel that if you chuck garbage out of your vehicle, you deserve to have it chucked right back into your vehicle. Fair warning to the pig-people...

Leah says that she's not pressing charges and is content to let Karma take care of Mr. Rage. Maybe that's wise. Thanks to hool's pictures, he has been publicly shamed - BIG TIME. Heh, heh - that's some beautiful Karma right there. :) Still, I hope that the authorities will dispense some proper justice. The guy obviously has issues and needs help. Sadly, he's just one of many....

Cyclists: ride with awareness - lets be courteous and safe out there :)

Leah: Cheers from Vancouver!

nice: nice

CTP: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:27 GMT

Hey Hool, how about posting some pics of the guy's car with his license plate?

Sertraline: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:31 GMT

I ride a bike in Toronto and I've seen more couriers do dumb aggressive shit than automobiles. Most of the posters, in typical neo-hippy style, assume that this incident is the man's fault. Furthermore, many of you applaud the woman for "holding her ground" and fantasize about how she should have punched the guy in the face, smashed him with her U-lock and other such improbably scenarios.

What bikers, and especially female bikers need to understand is, cars are bigger and stronger than you, and men are bigger and stronger than you. Be aware that in a conflict with either, you will lose. Now I know this may be hard to believe if you're fed on a steady diet of Now Magazine organic spelt flakes and fair trade lattes, but it is the truth.

This bike "courier" (I don't see her carrying anything except a bunch of superflous gear) lucked out in that she picked a fight with an man-filled automobile on her "home turf," kensington, and was saved by the crowd. Next time, she might not be so lucky. And yes, it was luck, not her thousand dollars worth of MEC Urban Commando gear or her Xena Warrior Princess and superhuman strength.

To summarize: Men are stronger than women. Cars are stronger than bikes. When the latter fuck with the former, they take their chances, wether or not they feel they're in the right.

So, flame away. I should reiterate that I've been biking in downtown Toronto for 4 years in rain and snow, from the Scarborough Bluffs to Brown's Line. I don't own a car.

SUV Driver: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:35 GMT

I read somewhere that you can tell if someone's a psychopath if you can see the whites all the way around his eyes. I'm pretty sure this guy qualifies. You can clearly see the whites all 'round this son 'bitch. That and the Charles Manson tattoo on his forehead. Forget pressing charges, this guy should be sent directly to the nearest cuckoo house and locked up with the Big Indian for a good long time.

Axel: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:39 GMT

i believe in clean streets.

so for those that appear to be saying, 'just say no to refuse', i think you people are right on the money. the part of the story that a lot of people are semingly getting confused on this forum, is that the driver was ALSO trying to clean a large piece of rolling-around trash off the streets of kensington.

but clearly people in kensington, having being born into, and having become quite accustomed to the filth of their neighborhood (similar, let's say, to those born in the slums of calcutta becoming used to the open sewers in their neighborhood), the kensingtonians simply took offense, quite unbelievably!

kensigntonians: now smarten up! those at the city zoning department eventually want to designate that area as an R1 mixed-use residential community again. you can't just be a transfer station forever, you know.

that poor suv driving gentleman was just trying to do the kensington market folks a favour, by taking that filthy bike off the road and crushing it, so that it could be taken off the streets and put into an incinerator.

kensingtonians: just let good samaritans do their job next time, for goodness sake.

[ooops, have to run. my garbage container is filling up... looks like i'll need to take another trip over to kensington, to dump it out]

anon (67.69.143.162): 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:40 GMT

Based on what i gathered to be the real story behind this incident....I can only stress that like other great cities.....people in Toronto should emphasize civilian policing for people that litter the streets....and should do it very often that it becomes part of our lives and that it becomes a much more civil and effective undertaking.......obviously violence did not work. A tone downed but authoritative comment to me by a lady when a threw a piece of garbage on the street was very effective that eversince i have not littered the streets of Toronto again........Now..i look at those people that litter with shame although i ams till honing my skills to effectively tell them to pick their garbage and put it in the right bin......

Pedro: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:41 GMT

I saw a LOT of litter around those pics on Kensington - she wasn't trying to be productive and cleaning that stuff up. Sounds like she's more into provocation instead of cleanup...

EvilGentleman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:44 GMT

Well, I have gotten some rest and have done a little catching up on what was posted here while I was away. I am coming to the realization here that no matter what somone posts, there will be someone else giving them a hard time, because this thread has now attracted global attention and the idiots are flocking in. There always seems to be some losers who have nothing better to do than upset other people, and that is just plain pathetic. Mind you, there have been a number of intelligent posts mixed in among the baiting crap, so the thread itself still has some value.

TO: The Jury is out on Evil Gentleman: 1st Feb 2006 - 21:30 GMT
Thank you for your partial agreement, but your typecasting is way off base. I do not carry a 'banner' to protect one group or another, I just defend the constant assault the modern world imposes on the moral values I grew up with. There is no excuse for grown men to be violent to women, children, the elderly, the disabled, etc. Since I am a large man, I have the ability to stand up for those who cannot stand up for themselves. But I use common sense when dealing with these situations. For example, I have seen men hit women, and the other men standing closest to the incident immediately jump the guy and start pounding him. I feel no need to go and give him an extra punch, he is already being dealt with. It does not have to be ME who stands up for people, just so long as SOMEONE does. If two elderly men start fighting, I can only try to talk to them and stop the insanity. Sometimes, I cannot stop them, and I just have to let them duke it out. Same thing happens with women fighting one another. I have seen a gang of girls try to attack a girl, and the only way I was able to assist was to get in the path of most of the gang and tell them a one-on-one fight would be more fair, and thus at least reduce the beating the poor girl was receiving. I knew stopping the fight entirely would be impossible, so I did the best I could to reduce the violence. I also try to break up fights between guys when possible. My preferred method is to just pick up one of the combatants and hold him off the ground, thus making him unable to run after the other guy. Where I hang out, the cops never come unless blood has been spilled, and we try to keep things from getting that far. I once had my friend hit his girlfriend in front of me. I punched him out, then helped him get up and called him a taxi, made sure he and his girlfriend were ok, and sent them on their way. As he was leaving, he was thanking me for taking care of him when he was drunk. I care a lot about other people, and I do not like seeing people get hurt. But evrybody who knows me also knows my rules, and if they disrespect that, they pay the price. As far as extortion of businesses, etc goes, I am totally confused as to where such ideas could enter the picture. I am a big guy, but I could never get involved in a protection racket or the like. I never ask for compensation for assisting people, I just ask them if they are ok. I do not understand the 'business' of protection that well, but from what little I can grasp of the concept, it seems like a form of organized crime to me. I am 100% opposed to the idea of making money from criminal activity. An honest dollar is a better dollar. It is amazing how many people think that money drives everything. When I see cars stuck in snowbanks, I usually go push them out without being asked, because it seems the right thing to do. But so many of them offer money as thanks, and I tell them keep the money, but if they see someone else who needs help later, help them. The protection of businesses is work best left to security professionals and cameras, not guys like me. I am not the sort of person to always be looking for a fight, that would be insane. No matter how big I may be, I know at any given time in the city, there are probably 50 guys within 10 blocks of me, each of whom can easily kick my ass. I often wind up defending women if front of guys WAAAAY tougher than me, and they stand back, cause they know I am in the right. Luckily, the toughest guys seldom attack weaker people, since they have no insecure need to prove their manhood. By the way, I have mostly cleaned up my area of Montreal now, so that I am not really needed anymore. I almost never see guys hit women anymore. The most I have to do nowadays is yell at the idiots when they look like they are about to go over the line.

TO: One: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:44 GMT
Are you serious? Well, if you believe I am a psychopath, I will not interfere with your right to express your opinion. But man oh man, talk about overreaction. Might I ask how YOU would deal with violence towards women happening in front of your face? Anyways, if believing I am psychotic helps you not hit a woman, then call me what you will.

sanpakuman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:50 GMT

suv driver,

interesting observation . . . though think you're referring to "sanpaku," which as defined by http://www.macrobiotic.org/Sanpaku.htm is:

"Sanpaku is a Japanese term that literally means “three areas empty”. It refers to two sides of the eye that show white (“empty”) plus the lower area. A person manifesting this appearance was considered chronically fatigued, headed for serious illness, and accident-prone."

ben johnson,jfk, lady di and various suicide bombers display it . . .

YaWantFriesWithThat?: On CBC now:

YaWantFriesWithThat?: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:54 GMT

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/01/31/toronto-fightphotos060131.html

Mr. Spock: 2nd Feb 2006 - 20:55 GMT

for those you who thinks the guy assulted her with the coffee, you're wrong ... she threw the trash into his car, she assulted him first ... to him, it's self-defense ... and rightfully so.

Phoebus: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:00 GMT

And I thought bike rage was exclusive to Portland Or....

Jeremy - vancouver: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:02 GMT

the courier bears full respomnsibility for creating this confrontation and then escalating it by keying the guy's car. Tossing food is one thing but vandalism is something else.

UrbanG'rilla: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:14 GMT

The Suburban White Trash couple should just stay home.

Obviously they don't understand how to behave in an area with community pride.

Props to the bystanders and especially Leah.

get it right!: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:14 GMT

Jeremy - vancouver: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:02 GMT
"the courier bears full respomnsibility for creating this confrontation and then escalating it by keying the guy's car. Tossing food is one thing but vandalism is something else."

The woman DID NOT intentionally key the guy's car. She was wearing the bike lock key on her wrist. Due to this idiot's attack on the woman's person and property, the 'keying' occured - read that as: the guy basically keyed his own car.

While the woman should not have opened the guy's car door, she did nothing to warrent the violent fool's reaction. Stomping on her bike? Putting his hands on her? The guy is a violent jerk in need of professional help. His girlfriend is also in need of professional help, as she has actually attempted to justify the guy's actions.

anon (dsl-155-102.aei.ca): 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:15 GMT

Couriers and taxicabs are ALWAYS the problem without fail. They think they own the road. I'd love to declare open season on both of them.

Uncle Dirt: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:15 GMT

Seemingly, I possess the single voice of reason. Both parties went to far. A verbal admonishment would have been better than throwing garbage back into the tardstick's vehicle. Justice should be doled out as follows; the girl should have her own vehicle (or the next vehicle she owns) keyed. The guy should be slapped unconcious and have the burger and wrapper shoved up his ass (along) with the baseball bat.

deeps thoughts....: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:17 GMT

litter = bad
fighting = bad
2 x bad = right? WRONG....
people need to take it easy and puff some cronic. try to reflect inward in oneself and you will find the answer... BUAHAHAHAHA!!!

throwning food is not littering: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:20 GMT

I throw out food all the time. I'll throw out banana peels, apple cores even orange peels. This guy just threw out a hamburger patty...big deal, a bird probably would have scooped it a couple of minutes anyway. I'm not endorsing littering i don't do it, but throwing food out the window i don't consider littering.

get it right!: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:22 GMT

Uncle dirt: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:15 GMT
"the girl should have her own vehicle (or the next vehicle she owns) keyed."


The woman DID NOT intentionally key the guy's car. She was wearing the bike lock key on her wrist. Due to this idiot's attack on the woman's person and property, the 'keying' occured - read that as: the guy basically keyed his own car.

While the woman should not have opened the guy's car door, she did nothing to warrent the violent fool's reaction. Stomping on her bike? Putting his hands on her? The guy is a violent jerk in need of professional help. His girlfriend is also in need of professional help, as she has actually attempted to justify the guy's actions.


http://files.photojerk.com/supercree/fightasshats2.jpg

FixieFreek: I just wanna know: how's the bike??

Judge Judy: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:30 GMT

Bystanders should have U-locked Mr. Angry by the neck to a meter and dumped a garbage can over him.

Littering is not littering: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:38 GMT

throwning (or throwing) food is not littering? I guess you probably think that throwing a cup out the window isn't littering either since someone would have picked it up eventually. How about throwing pop cans out the window? Some homeless guy would probably pick it up. Hey, you could even consider it charity! Unbelievable how you could justify the littering part of this fight.

Tree: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:40 GMT

I think people are forgetting that this is a MAN (or so he would think, anyway) attacking a woman! Doesn't matter what precipitated this - if I were that woman's b/f I'd hunt him down and beat the holy living fuck out of him. Then I'd douse his car with gasoline and make him watch.

You, Mr Rage Attack, are an idiot.

Fred Flintstone.: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:43 GMT

Hey Hool,

Nice pics man, Clear, centered, considering you had no time to set them up but just had to start shooting, nice job. I particularly like the second last one, the guy's expression of undisguised wrath could not be any clearer.

FF.

ALWAYS the problem: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:45 GMT

"Couriers and taxicabs are ALWAYS the problem without fail. They think they own the road. I'd love to declare open season on both of them."

No, people like you are ALWAYS the problem. Open season? WTF? I guess you support the two punks who killed the taxi driver while racing their Mercedes. Get a clue, dude!

Kd: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:49 GMT

I was there that Sat and witnessed some of the incident myself. The woman was obviously being attacked. I missed the beginning and it all happened very fast. I sensed the aggression of the motorist and the cyclist defending herself. Anyone can see that. Good thing onlookers jumped in and helped out and pulled the guy off her, as he was completely out of control. I definately think the guy's at fault. I saw the photographer as well. Glad at least the story got out. Hope the guy gets caught. But how?

EvilGentleman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:50 GMT

TO: zazaster: 2nd Feb 2006 - 05:30 GMT
Pettiness and mischief used as tools to right imagined slights is a childish endeavour at best. And for a person who is claiming to love the environment, it should be pointed out that Vaseline is a PETROLEUM jelly. You are trying to save the planet with fossil fuel oil-based products? Good thinking. I suppose you save trees with salt, too. No more dope for you, you have suffered enough brain damage, I see.

TO: The idiots in the Canada-US hate debate earlier on:
Get real. Nationalistic slamming of other nations is stupid. Nuff said.
(Besides, I strongly suspect one or two of the earlier hostile "Americans" were just stupid Canadian kids trying to provoke people. Most Americans do not know so well what buttons to push to piss Canadians off. However, I believe we got a few bona fide Uncle Sam rednecks after a while... hard to tell them apart from the Canadian rednecks)

As well:
Racism is pointless, and only serves to show how dumb you are. Stop it.
Anti-feminism only gives fuel to the feminist movement, so you misogynystic idiots are already shooting yourselves in the feet.
Eco-terrorism is NOT cool, it is terrorism. I agree humanity has overstayed its welcome, but terrorism only serves to marginalize valid concerns.

Last but not least:
Why the hell do so many men act like hateful idiots regarding lesbians as though they were the greatest threat since Hitler, and yet they ALL fantasize about sleeping with a couple of lesbians? Hypocrites.

Roid Rage: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:54 GMT

I can't believe people actually defend this guy!

I'd be more proud of tossing someone's litter back at them than I would be of beating on a girl half my size. Serves him right that these are his 15 minutes.

Kd: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:54 GMT

Cars and SUVs can kill people. Bikes can't. People should remember that. If a car tries to run over a padestrian, there's very little hope for the person to come out of it unharmed.

Schmal: 2nd Feb 2006 - 21:57 GMT

Not to sound grim or anything, but I was happy to see a story involving a cyclist on the front of a newspaper that didn't have the words "dump truck", "tragic" or "funeral" in the headline. Not always the case, alas.
schmal

John Kimble: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:10 GMT

The pictures make me feel funny inside. Especially #7.

Bru: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:14 GMT

My question is, how come the photographer can't be conviently at the scene with his camera when people are getting shot everyday in Toronto?

The Jury is STILL out on Evil Gentleman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:25 GMT

I have no idea what your moral values are, and whether yours clash with mine, or even whether, collectively, ours clash with the next community's. Long ago, the competing ideals of clashes of moral values, was decidedly settled through something called the supremacy of the rule of law.

The supremacy of the rule of law means, that no matter what your moral values are, the rule of law reigns supreme over your values. Period. It also reigns supreme over my values. Period. Therefore, the clash of moral values, has long ago been settled.

Now, of course, we have those who choose not to respect the rule of law. In your case, you stand on the noblest of values to justify your transgressions - the protection of women and children as it were. You go on to profess that your actions are honourable in some sense, despite that you act outside the rule of law.

Mr Evil Gentleman, this is an interesting nick you have given yourself. On the one hand, you appear to be trying to convince us that you come forth with 'clean hands' in order to bring justice to the communities under-serviced by police services. On the other, you use a nickname, which many would interpret as being entirely incongruent with your purportedly pure and entirely benevolent intentions. If I had not closely read your posts, I would have assumed that you were simply a wolf in sheep's clothing, and dismissed you entirely.

Perhaps you could advise the forum, whether have you received any honours from the community in which you live, for your acts of bravery against men assaulting women? Has your city council ever issued you an award for your bravery? Has the police department ever done so?

And what about my moral values - one of which is that one ought to work hard and create success in a field of honourable calling? Let's have you weigh in on that one. I, for instance, am diametrically opposed at able-bodied adults who slog themselves along in our society at others' expense, whether it be through the proceeds of crime or sloth. Much poverty - which is at the core of the violence which you so highly hold yourself out as protecting women against - is preventable through a good, clean, hard and smart work ethic.

I suppose I ought to think about bestowing upon myself the entitlement to bash those, whose work ethic isn't copasetic with my own moral values in this regard. I sure could look at myself in the mirror every morning, with a great deal of satisfaction, knowing that I doled out 'justice' to those who create misery for others through their unproductive work ethic.

Let's hear what you have to say.

Old Kensington Dog: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:33 GMT

A couple of points re. the confrontation specifically, and Kensington Market in general:

-The SUV in the photos is owned by the business accross the street, not the "Motorist". His four cylinder smaller car with its scratched paint is down the street, to the left of the photos. The SUV just happened to be at the spot where the "Motorist" caught up with the "Courier".

-There is a grassroots political movement afoot in Kensington to ban vehicles from the streets, to turn the area into a pedestrian mall.

-Kensington is a series of narrow one-way streets with many small storefront businesses (only one small franchise). Parking on the streets is difficult, but most who visit accept this as part of the charm. It's a crowded market on Saturdays and celebrated by many as an event. Cars, trucks and people have always mingled on the streets. There's an unspoken code that slow driving is mandatory. It's a unique balance. Businesses (and we residents) need vehicular traffic for deliveries and pickups. A pedestrian mall would destroy the historical fabric of how business is conducted here and would lead to further gentrification and ultimately destroy the balance.

-Bicycle riders have no regard for the one-way streets in Kensington. Stepping out from between parked cars, after looking toward the traffic, I was recently grazed by a bicyclist who was riding very quickly the wrong direction. She was not even remotely apologetic and yelled "Why don't you look out?!" This happens here. The bikers ride through intersections in the wrong direction without stopping. If you're in their way, they give you the finger, whether you're walking, driving or riding a bike yourself. We all know if the Market became a pedestrian mall, there would be bicycles speeding amongst the pedestrians, just like on every other sidewalk in the downtown core.

I ride my bike regularly. What is it about the bicycle that turns some otherwise balanced people into seemingly empowered bigots? The bicycle as we know it has been around for 115 years. Was it always this way? Interestingly, the modern bicycle and the automobile were invented almost simultaneously. Maybe there's always been a tension between these two modes of conveyance. Is it a struggle of the supposed "haves" vs. the "have nots"? Is that the root of the anger? I wish I was a sociology or psychology student: I'd love to research a thesis on that one. Too soon old, too late smart.

Anyway, Kensington Market is a very sane oasis in an otherwise troubled world. Every race, culture, religion and language is welcome here and life is celebrated. I'm not shocked that the "Motorist" and the "Courier" enacted their parts in a wonderful piece of street theatre: shit happened. None of us would be cramming this particular bandwidth if the event hadn't been photographed. Kensington 2006 reminds me of New York 1966, lots of cultures integrating in a loud and healthy manner: we're forty years behind the times, and damn proud of it.

This confrontation could have happened anywhere and it has nothing to do with the spirit of Kensington other than the freedom to vent, which is not such a bad thing. The silver lining is that everyone involved is white. The multi-cultural balance of the Market has escaped intact. For that I am grateful.


kelly: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:43 GMT

what is with the americans vs. canadians. not ALL americans or ALL canadians are a specific way. look at how angry some of you are getting!?! no one knows how they would have acted at that moment. it is a shame that either one of them got violent. i have called the cops many times when i have seen idiots throw whole bags of fast food garbage out the window. the cops here in chicago have bigger things to worry about. i am not going to endanger myself...if i cared so much then i would take the garbage and throw it away. people make stupid decisions everyday. there is very little you can do about it, but do better yourself.

whoisthefreak: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:44 GMT

Someone must know his name. Come on tell us!

SonOfaBitch: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:46 GMT

Leah could you please ride by the corner of bathurst and queen and do something about the bus stop on the north west side...I'm tired of seeing all those wine bottles everytime I look out my office window.

Thanks

reality check: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:58 GMT

RE: the commments on biycycles and autos being invented at the same time... Wrong... bicycles have a far longer timeline. In fact the first paved roads in America were done so for cyclists, not drivers... not sure what the history of roads for Canada.

RE: the comment on why cyclists get so militant when they ride... it is from dodging idiot motorists.

WannaMeetPatty?: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:03 GMT

Leah, my car is full of half eaten patties, wrappers and other crap. Would you be so kind as to bring your child, and the two of you clean up my mess? My personal environment stinks and I need some help from a concerned zealot such as yourself.

I'll bet that with your high self-esteem and elevated principles, you're in for a lifetime of monitoring by your peers. You've set the bar pretty high: you must now live a life of absolute perfection. Enjoy the ride. I'll bet you fall off, but, on the bright side, you can then become part of the (less than perfect) human race.

Snerve: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:21 GMT

If good and caring people do nothing, when others are a polluting, evil flourishes, job well done, on behalf of all citizens (not only T.O. but Earth). We thank you, Leah, yeah. Snerve. 2183

pedestrian pal: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:25 GMT

Rather than go on and on about cyclist versus motorist lets consider this. People who litter are pigs, people who seek out confrontations like this are fools or worse yet, holier than thou. When will we begin to consider pedestrians in this city. Not everyone is a motorist, not everyone is a cyclist, but except for the handicapped or infirm everyone is a pedestrian.

Why should pedestrians have to walk through garbage? Why should pedestrians endure cars and fumes in an area like Kensington Market? Why should pedestrians endure cyclists wo routinely ignore all highway traffic laws, bob & weave through traffic and pedestrians, and routinely ignore pedestrian crossing signals.

Of the two morons in this altercation I say she is the worst. Yes he clearly has anger management issues, but then she assaulted his private space directly, he did litter but he did not attack her. I am sure she routinely screams and yells at motorists and pedestrians who get in her way.

Lets put pedestrians first in this City. Lets have pedestrian only zones where both cars and bike nazis are banned.

Eric: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:35 GMT

I'm a cyclist and a motorist, so maybe I have a unique prospective...I would never litter, but IF I DID, and this self righteous tree hugger threw it back in my car, I would have stuffed it down her throat....he's an ass, and should be charged with something.

Canada more like Canaduh am i rite??: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:42 GMT

I think both of these shitheads should be arrested for being Canadian.

Eric: shit...i meant perspective

Old Kensington Dog: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:48 GMT

Quote: "RE: reality check: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:58 GMT
RE: the commments on biycycles and autos being invented at the same time... Wrong... bicycles have a far longer timeline."

Actually, "reality check", I am correct.

The "safety frame" bicycle, the design we still use today, was invented around 1890. I wasn't referring to the many novel designs which preceeded it. The creation of the safety frame bicycle heralded the beginning of mass produced bicycles as we still know them today. I have an 1894 men's safety frame bike in my collection. It looks quite contemporary.

In the 1880s, Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz invented the internal combustion engine powered automobile independently, in southwestern Germany. The rest is history.

These two modes of transport were developed simultaneously. Period.

John: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:49 GMT

That guy is a PUSSY!! I hope someone kick his ass, piece of Sh..t bastard, he was trashing the city for God sake!! if you're reading this Mr Motorist you're a PUSSY!!! PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big enough: 2nd Feb 2006 - 23:50 GMT

look at his eyes! Are they not that of a animal. Look at the paleness of the faces involved are they not in need of some sun. GEEEZ the poor bike

Stephanie: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:06 GMT

FIrst of all if you guys actually read the storys and interviews in the newspaper from leah herself... she had said that she knows now that she shouldnt have opened his door and "tossed: the garbage back in at him.. but she is sick of people littering.. and as for the keying the car.. she didnt do it on purpuse if you look at the pick you can even see where it happened... she went down .. she had her key on a bracelt around her wirst when she fell it scrapped the side of the car.. she even offered to pay for it... but i guess you guys all like making her sound like tha bad one... put it this way .. if some one was outside your front lawn and tossed a bag of trash on it what would you do... smile and take it to the curb for him? .... does anyone not remember that littering is an illeagal action!... i think its great unfortunate that the guy was a dick... but great that someone finally stepped up and tookt eh courage to confront one of the inconsiderate action of littering...

Ps i bet hes a tourist... lol (well not from TO anyways..)

Josh: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:09 GMT

A message to all of you goofy hippies to mind your own fucking business. I would have slapped the shit out of that hooker if she tried anything like that. The rest of those clowns would have got a nice stretcher ride as well.

Couriers are in general revered as complete fucking idiots... this just reaffirms the point.

anon (mail.gsmid-south.org): 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:10 GMT

he littered & attacked. she litter back into his car & scratched it. are you asses trying to say which wrong was WRONGER??? fuck that.

[litter = bad
fighting = bad
2 x bad = right? WRONG....] & [Everyone in this situation is fucking stupid.]
rt on.

Dear Stephanie: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:12 GMT

I know all of you easterners have your heads up your liberal tree-hugging asses.. but I didnt know you had complete disregard for self-preservation... Thats the problem with you ass-hats.. you think you wont get slapped the fuck out if you try and play the hero. Sure he shouldnt have littered, but I think that stupid hooker learned more of a lesson not to be a hero than he did to not litter.

HIS fault: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:12 GMT

i can't believe all these comments saying 'she started it'. the inconsiderate fucker in the car started it with his anti-social behavior by throwing trash on the street. she was just showing to him that his behavior was unacceptable and, since he initiated it, i don't think her response was unreasonable.

if you throw trash, you deserve to have it thrown back at you.

to throw someone's own trash back at them (a fairly harmless "attack" on property, and a slight violation of personal space) is far less egregious than pouring coffee over someone (a mild attack on your physical person and an affront to your personal space). keying someone's car (a harmful attack on property) is equal to having coffee poured on you (a mild attack on your physical person). and beating someone up is in a totally different league (an deliberate and dangerous attack on someone's physical person).

so, all in all, fuck the meatheads who see their physical property as themselves.

Eric the Yellow-bellied: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:12 GMT

Eric: "I'm a cyclist and a motorist, so maybe I have a unique prospective..."

WhatEVER. Many of us who are primarily cyclists also have cars -- I'll lay odds you're a motorist who owns a bike. Sorry - nothing special about you or your narrow little perspective.

Eric: "I would never litter, but IF I DID, and this self righteous tree hugger threw it back in my car..."

Most of us would cheer. Serves you right, pig-boy - you reap what you sow.

Eric: "I would have stuffed it down her throat"

Sure - easy to be so tough sitting there behind a keyboard.

Eric: "....he's an ass, and should be charged with something."

Heh - you call him an ass yet say you'd respond in a similar fashion.

Pathetic fool.

humbled hamiltonian: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:15 GMT

Hey Leah,

I wrote a note mocking the whole situation. I got caught up with everyones articles and the non - sense that some off this caused. And in trying to be funny, i wrote about your family and it was inappropriate on several levels as i was thinking about during my day. So i ask for your forgiveness... for that. And you seem like a very brvae revolutionist in the making for standing yup to litterers.

God Bless

snoovvvv: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:17 GMT

whoever posted
"litter = jobs"
should get a lobotomy.

Go seclude yourself in the suburbs
and never come back
you selfish moron!

Bobbo69: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:22 GMT

The guy deserved it and more besides! What a dick.

Eric: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:24 GMT

Stephanie, I thought my spelling was bad... this is not a question of who's right and who's wrong, really it's about loss of control, he did lose it when he attacked her, and needs to receive a beating for that, she lost control when she decided to throw the litter back in his vehicle, trust me...I know many people (women and men) who would have attacked that bike riding zealot, most people defending "leah" seem to be friends of her's..obviously people who also suffer from the same affliction as her...

OldUncleMike: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:24 GMT

True story:
As a 14 year old I was riding my bicycle between 2 small towns in Ohio, a pickup truck passed and a huge glob of cold brown stuff landed on my chest,..it tasted great. I got the rest of the driver's (real ice cream) chocolate milk shake.
Another true story: I saw a bicycle messenger weaving his way trough traffic on E. Street NW in Washington DC. A taxi was keeping pace behind him. The cyclist swerved, slowed, and the taxi accidentally rolled over him. First time I have ever seen death throes. Lighten up folks from the North. M.

Virbius: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:28 GMT

Anyone who litters is an ignorant selfish ass.
This guy is already getting the punishment he rightly deserves just because of the media exposure. Now he can crawl back under the rock he came from.
Maybe after a few months he can show his face in public again

Carl in Virginia...: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:31 GMT

What a friggin' asshole. I hope some of the people that pulled him off of her smacked the shit out of him...

skip: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:32 GMT

Screw the biker, I'm in 'frisco and deal with these jackasses all day. Yea..he shouldn't of blah blah blah. I get excited when I see news reports of 2 wheeled morons earning their Darwin Awards. I guess this self righteous strumpet earned her just rewards....don't talk the talk if you can't back it. When I ride my bike in the city, or anywhere fer that matter, it isn't a friggin' crusade/political statement. Follow the goddamn rules or I'll arrest your dumb arse.

No you don\\\'t have a brain: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:42 GMT

strumpet? strumpet? How old are you Skip? 192?

Zen: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:45 GMT

"The ultimate aim of karate-do lies not in victory or defeat but in the perfection of the character of its participants" Gichin Funakoshi

Eric the Yellow-bellied: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:46 GMT

Eric: "I know many people (women and men) who would have attacked that bike riding zealot"

So its not just you that's tough behind the keyboard, now it's your acquaintances too? Heh, what a shock that losers have friends who are losers...

Newsflash: don't be surprised if your anti-social behavior is met with a justifiable response. And if you decide to escalate things (which you're undoubtably too cowardly to do in real life, but who am I to refute your little fantasy?), be prepared for the consequences.

slapdashadam: 3rd Feb 2006 - 00:54 GMT

they both did the right thing: she was standing up for what she believed in and he was standing up to the person who biffed him with her garbage. even call

1) dude shouldn't have tossed on the street, complete lack of respect for the locals and enviro

2) she should have just tossed it on his hood or windshield. anyone opens my door to do anything but give me money better believe i'm gonna get up and throw them around

my big issue:

1) you people who think he's a pyscho animal needs help freak. he's human, he was mad, enraged. it happens. maybe you're yoga'n your way to a nirvana some of us will never see, but you gotta accept the fact that even in today's therapy'd medicated world some of us still don't have complete control over our natural states.

2) you people who are freedom fighters for a clean world. i can appreciate that, but are you harrasing your bob hunter epa friends who smoke a pack a day and find no issue with tossing butts on the street?

slapdashadam: sorry, biffed him with his garbage

Eric the Yellow-bellied: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:09 GMT

slapdashadam: "you gotta accept the fact that even in today's therapy'd medicated world some of us still don't have complete control over our natural states."

You gotta accept the fact that you lose control, you suffer the consequences. Get a grip.

re: cigarette butts - I don't know anyone like that; but in terms of fighting for a clean world, that's much less of an offense than exhaust-spewing single-occupancy-vehicles. Cars stink up our common air. Drive less - bike more.

Eric: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:11 GMT

Sure - easy to be so tough sitting there behind a keyboard....which is why you can't even use your real name...i would litter in front of YOU just to watch you do NOTHING. You miss my point, they are both wrong of the same human fault, maybe to different degrees, but both at fault...grow a pair and use your real name coward.

Keyboard Warriors: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:16 GMT

I am actually sitting here laughing in my chair at all the posters (or should I say "posers") who are bragging, actually bragging! about who they would beat anyone who opens their car door to throw their garbage back at them. Hilarious, because they're obviously brave only when it comes to sitting at the computers. Let me throw some scenarios back at them:

1. You throw your garbage out. Suddenly the door opens, the garbage flies back and...
a 6' 7" 290 lb. slack-jawed, empty-eyed, three-toothed motherfucker in a wife-beater is standing there, with a 10-pound wrench in his hand. Are you really as tough as you say you are?
or
3. Door opens, and there's Canadian UFC fighter Jeff Goulet. He apparently doesn't like people littering in his neighborhood. Are you going to really jump out and deliver a can of whoop-ass?

I suspect that all these keyboard warriors are only as tough as they sound when they picture a 100 lb. woman in bike tights.

Freakin' hilarious, you tough guys.

Eric: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:18 GMT

i suggest you get off your PC and stop hiding behind your monitor, lose some weight and meet some people of the opposite sex.....there has to be better things you can do with your time then ranting at everyone with a different opinion then yours.

Eric: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:21 GMT

here's a thought to wrap your little minds around...Mike Tyson litters, who's gonna throw it back in his vehicle?

jim: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:21 GMT

gawd i detest canadiens, buncha poutine eating third world pompous arses, chop that wood hew that water workin at wendys for 2 bills a week

- - -: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:22 GMT

The cyclist had a lot of guts to stand up to the motorist when he littered, and the fact that he threw it back at her was just plain wrong. This whole issue could have been avoided is he wasn't such an ass. He's probably one of those people who complains about having to pay taxes to clean up the mess that "other people" make when they litter.

You know it's getting bad when: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:26 GMT

Online betting sites are giving odds on when this blog will end. Regardless of what side you take both these parties (and their family and friends) have been punished to a far greater degree than any jail time or fine could ever acheive. They, along with anyone else who has logged onto this post, will surely think twice before repeating any of the alleged offences.

Jules: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:27 GMT

SO many opinions. I just really hate the guys and girls who are all like "if I see that guy I'm gonna break his face blah blah blah" You're not going to do a damn thing because most of you are probably cowards and need to be provoked. Sorry that wasn't fair cause I don't know anyone of you. But honestly, the guy didn't punch her. What the big deal here? It was a squirmish. nothing. And to all the other bike couriers and leahs friends who are like "you kick ass" "awsome" you're all pretty lame. She had no business throwing that back in his car. If my friend starts a fight or finds himself in trouble for a stupid reason, I'll fight along side him. But I'll still have the sense to tell him he was an idiot for it. Let's think sensably here people. Both were in the wrong but I'd give her the instigator.
Peace, Julian
p.s any indie hip hop fans that havn't heard of her. Check out Jean Grae. DOPE!

Keyboard Warriors: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:29 GMT

I once almost told off some old lady who had the nerve to walk into my bike while i was riding on the sidewalk, she was bigger then me and at the last second i lost my nerve and rode away.she would have kicked my ass too.

Out of province: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:32 GMT

pyscho: A-l-e-x S-o-l-s-k-i ?? Maybe? Maybe not??

In Canada411 / Superpages.ca they have listings for the above name in Toronto, Brampton, and Hamilton. With his picture there are 3 addresses one can check out with his neighbours... It would not be hard to find out...

If someone can confirm his address I would like to mail the driver a small package
of plastic garbage bags for his car (with instructions how to use them)...


Keyboard Warriors loves to rim men: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:35 GMT

Anyone wanna come and look through my garbage? I just threw out some recylcables in my household trash, are you idiot cyclists/leah friends gonna come and throw it back into my house?

anon (68-188-106-14.static.stls.mo.charter.com): 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:39 GMT

man, if I had been near there I would have taken a run at it and driven that guy through the nearest plate glass window or equivalent.

you can't stand by while a woman gets beaten up.


Mike

Dingo: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:41 GMT

There's simply too many nutbars in this beloved city of ours...and this a-hole should crawl back under the rock he was raised under.

Cyclists are whiny babies: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:42 GMT

Leah is just an idiot, if it was at night and nobody was around, would she have done the same thing? NO....plain and simple, she thought this person wouldnt do anything..she was wrong, i plan on driving up there this weekend and littering in front of a few cyclists.....i may be packing..beware!

Pazop: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:54 GMT

This thread's made it to our bike club newsgroup in San Diego... good job. -Paz

her fault: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:54 GMT

ignorant bitch she should fly to iraq and try to make a stand against the war....

Black or White: 3rd Feb 2006 - 01:56 GMT

Black vest girl is sexy with spice.
White vest girl is cute and dumb (considering who she is with).
Leah is of no interest.

My 3 cents.

Wayne Gretzky: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:03 GMT

i thought black vest was a guy? not the most feminine woman in the world...i wouldnt do her...

Pazop: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:05 GMT

So much hate... re: "i may be packing..beware!" - Studies have shown that Canadians are packing, but for some reason, USA folks actually use the things more for harm. F'rinstance - another Postal tragedy this week.

I've ridden a bike in NY, Chicago, Boston, Ann Arbor, and San Diego. I've been assaulted in all places while riding. San Diego is scary - motorists are probably packin'. Chicago, we were packin'. It's not the answer.

EvilGentleman: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:09 GMT

re: The Jury is STILL out on Evil Gentleman: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:25 GMT

Thanks for taking the time to read my posts. First off, I use the same nick in chat, and it is also part of a few of my email addys (I could not get the hotmail one, it was already taken. Same for Yahoo) I just like the nick because of the sexual aspect of its connotations, and because the chat site I use most often does not permit nicks over 14 characters long, and NaughtyGentleman will not fit.

I am an undergraduate student at Concordia University, and I aspire to go into law one day. This naturally brings me to the question that jumps into people's minds when I mention law. How can I behave in a lawless manner and yet aspire to become an attorney?

To put it simply, I almost never actually break the law. Most of my physical interventions do NOT involve fisticuffs, but instead involve me restraining people BEFORE they can commit an assault. Key phrases that help me identify possible situations in which to intervene would include such classics as, "You fucking bitch, I'm gonna kill you!" and "What do you mean, I got a small dick?" When I am unable to defuse the situation in time, I may be forced to pound the jerk a few times, in order to allow the lady to get to safety. The guy never gets that badly hurt, since there are usually other people there to separate us. Sometimes, I draw attention to myself when I get in the way of the guy trying to attack the female, but I do not mind. I can usually fend for myself okay, and self-defense is a lot harder to argue against. I must admit, in my younger days (I'm 36 now), I used to administer a lot of punitive beatings, but nowadays, I just intimidate them into behaving. The law is clear. I am NOT allowed to assault people, but I can also tell you, the Montreal police have never arrested me, despite many unsolicited confessions on my part. They have told me that they can never officially condone my actions, but they have all been to enough calls where the lady is covered in blood, and she is saying she's ok, she just fell down the stairs, walked into a doorknob, etc. After enough of these calls, the police tend to have very little sympathy for abusive jerks who keep managing to dodge jail, because their girlfriends are too afraid to press charges. I have also been informed that I am extremely vulnerable to prosecution, and I fully understand and accept that reality. The laws are simply rules that have been officially sanctioned by the state. But life is full of other rules that while not having the status of legally recognized, are still fairly universally understood in the context of Canadian society. Some of the more easily recognized ones would include able-bodied adults giving up their bus seats to the infirm and elderly, particularly those burdened down with parcels; the uniquely Canadian habit of saying 'thank you' when being served in a store or restaurant; the expectation that people will not sit idly by and watch people being bullied by bigger, stronger people. Sorry, I have never heard any contemporary rules concerning the physical punishment of people for being impoverished or lazy. Well, at least not since the abolition of slavery. I guess you are out of luck on that one. But I feel the meager survival-level income received by a welfare recipient to be a form of punishing those who do not wish to work, as well as those who are unable to work. If there was any fairness to Canada, those unable to work would be better compensated, and spoiled little lazy rich kids would be denied their inheritance, unless they knew what the meaning of the word 'work' was. I do not believe in a right to be automatically superior by birth. The poor often know a hell of a lot more about work than the rich, because their very survival depends on it, unlike the rich, who may suffer the unforgivable shame of being behind on payment of their country club membership fees, or worse yet, being forced to lay off a few servants and cook and drive for themselves.

Fred Schtiener: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:13 GMT

Yea, I was going to ask who's the chick in the white vest, somebody get that info ok?

Courier vs Jack Ass, well the courier should of talked to any passengers in hopes of them being the kids and wife in hope of letting them know they have a dumb ass for a father/husband. Once the driver is out of the car its putup or shutup, and time to take off the cycling shoes (so you don't slip and fall, ref. that old two pro cyclist going at it video clip). If you get to that point you better be packing or kicking some ass. I'm surprise she didn't just jump the curb and keep moving? Stoping in the middle of the street is not a courier type manuver, that I've seen... or good for anyone for that matter.

BillyJoeRayBob: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:14 GMT

Ya'll relize dat down herre in texsus riding da bike iz da ofence not da garbge trowing. my pa has da guns in betty dats his truck so when he sees one dem personz on da bikz he can give em one in da ass. oil iz good iz what pa alweez sed.

HBFK.com: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:17 GMT

this is too funny! so www.hbfk.com. So anti SUV (i hate those things...yet, we own one).

be the change...: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:25 GMT

that guy is really inconsiderate to the environment by littering. and he got away with it. our earth is paying because of jerks like him.

be the change...: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:29 GMT

that guy is really inconsiderate to the environment by littering. and he got away with it. our earth is paying because of jerks like him.

Lefty: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:30 GMT

I see a few comments about how this guy beats his woman. I don't see how, from the pictures he looks like he's having trouble whipping a hundred pound woman while she's got her bike in one hand and her ear bud in the other.

howard stern: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:31 GMT

bike courier was wrong to throw rotten sandwich back in motorist's car. she should have called dhal kaur singh on her cell, he would be right over and pick it up off the road and EAT IT.

be the change...: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:31 GMT

that guy is really inconsiderate to the environment by littering. and he got away with it. our earth is paying because of jerks like him.

The Chimp: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:35 GMT

My guess is that "rage boy" and blondie were mixing it up in the car long before our plucky little bike courier showed up. His reaction seems to be way over the top for what was done. I've been involved in some road rage incidents (as a driving courier) and have never gone so far as to punch anybody or stomp their bike. This guy carries around a baseball bat in his car for "protection"... looks like he was waiting for an excuse to beat the crap out of somebody, anybody. As for blondie in the car with rage boy - if you think he is going to get better or that you can change him - think again.

be the change: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:39 GMT

please god ...bless the easter bunny, santa claus, and the tooth fairy......

be the change: save the gay unborn whales

be the change: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:47 GMT

I know Leah, and she is incapable of holding a steady job or a steady relationship, she is prone to bouts of alcoholic rage and at times has been known to abuse animals as well.....

TO_guy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 02:49 GMT

Is that littering pig from this country? If not I suggest we send him back. If he is he should be charged. Maybe a little jail time would smarten his ass up. He'd make a fine date for Bubba on Saturday night! It's too bad the courier or someone else didn't kick the crap out of him. I am glad she had the guts to stand up to a piece of crap like him. Too many creepy crawlies like him around the city. What's the matter, your mom didn't teach you to cleanup after yourself piggy? Now go back to your trailer and clean it up and stop littering in our city you ass_ole.

Jeff: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:02 GMT

The guy is an idiot and maybe she shouldn't have thrown that in his car but she is doing SOMETHING and more then most of us including me and the guy looks like a nutbar. he seems really deranged and wants to act like he is some sort of beast or something. like he has something to prove. next time leah should maybe verbally insult him or something or just throw it on his car. I am not going to say what he should do because he will probably pick a fight with the wrong guy/girl and die anyhow.

NotACurier: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:10 GMT

It would have been great to see that damn currier with no teeth to tell the story. In fact, that could apply to all these assholes. They do believe they own the streets.

Sigh: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:17 GMT

The guy's a major ass and I bet his temper went as far as it did because he just can't handle being slighted or dissed in front of his girlfriend. Bet he won't be showing his face in the neighborhood any time soon. Let's hope so.

To: Wayne Gretsky From: BW: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:17 GMT


Your eyes need glasses in your retirement.


David: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:21 GMT

Rediculous, seriously. They were both in the wrong. But she crossed the line. If I was her I would have loved to throw the garbage back at him, thats fine and all. Then the coffee that was wrong. But keying the car, no damn way. She should have either just walked away and possibly pressed charges on him then or done something equal back if she was going to do anything at all. But going at the vehicle, thats not equal. Hell I dont like anyone touching my car unless I know them. If I saw someone key my car, ass kicking stick would come out. Someone said she would have been better off punching him in the face, so that he wouldnt have the legal action against her for the cost of the paintjob, fine by me. That would have made this story simple and without much debate, they would have both been basically idiots acting irresposibly. Kick him in the balls, give him a black eye, whatever, just dont the car. Id rather be seen with a black eye than a messed up car. The eye will get better on its own, the car will cost money.

Fellow Torontonian: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:21 GMT

I personally have thought of doing exactly what Leah did when I see people littering from their vehicles. It's our city, we should fight for it and protect it.

Sigh: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:25 GMT

Hool - you should let people print and post these pictures up and around on posts and storefronts. Bullies and bad behaviour beware because we're watching you.

Henry Ford: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:25 GMT

People are missusing my invention! Damn it!!!

This weekend: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:27 GMT


This weekend everybody patrol the streets with your cameras!

justAguy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:32 GMT

Anyone else find it weird several posters think the girl in the white vest is hot?

From the one photo, she doesn't even appear average...

Eric: moron....hypocrasy ?

Sigh: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:39 GMT

Hey - that could be an engagement ring on the girlfriend's finger. Maybe she and her family will see what they could be in for with this guy on the front page news like that. Would have been sweet to see their faces. And, things could have gotten even worse if nobody on the street came over to pull the guy and courier apart.

Z: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:40 GMT

VERY PROUD OF YOU LEAH!
I'd press charges on the ^%$%$^%. The guy needs help he's a FREAK!!
As for the car scratch, seems to me like you fell against the car and your keys were in the hand that you reached out to stop the fall and they scratched it. A total accident, you can beat it if they charge you, especially once they know what that ^%$%$^% did to you. I'm glad you are ok, keep safe out there!

SamFarber: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:42 GMT

popasmuf: 1st Feb 2006 - 22:43 GMT
I can't believe this lady didn't expect some kind of reaction when she did this.

Go literally block down the road from this incident and there are logans and rancid coconuts piled three feet high in Chinatown and all these commie fuckers adore it (it adds flavour to the sterile city) I bet my left nut this lady would not even think of doing a fucked up stunt like this over there. There is something about this paticular white guy's meat patty that fouls MOther earth in unique ways.
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I was thinking the same thing. Never seen a non-White area that was even close to clean. She should be worried about the immigrant invasion - not a burger in the road!

David: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:48 GMT

i say the guy should get community service pickin up trash on the side of the road, thats just punishment for him. For her, run her bike over with a truck and call it even.

NDP Voter in Ottawa: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:50 GMT

Is anyone else wondering why incidents like this don't occur more often? Each of us has seen someone blantanly littering on our city streets. The reason is that anyone with an IQ higher than 70 realizes that throwing the offending garbage back at the litterer is NOT going to help the situation.

Violence begets violence. I think Leah and the driver should hook up. They're perfect for eachother.

Sigh: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:51 GMT

Immigrant invasion? This country was made of and built by immigrants. Look around - you're surrounded!

What's Really Going On Here: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:55 GMT

Since this has become a cyclist vs motorist thing...

Helmet Cams

Just as Richard Nixon wouldn't have been nailed without the tapes, technology is available that cyclists can use to get motorists to behave. The technology is cheap helmet cams. There's the Tony Hawk helmet cam made for skateboarders. Further up the scale are the Deja-View cam and the Samsung Miniket Sport.

All are affordable, lightweight and compact. Once motorists know their bullying and carelessness is being recorded, they will smarten up. It doesn't matter if the police choose to ignore video clips submitted to them. The real change will be when these clips start showing up on tv, and the general public sees what cyclists have been putting up with for decades.

As for the cost of the cameras, the tv world has a huge appetite for authentic footage of people losing their cool, and many of these clips will be worth thousands.

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Personality Disorders

To the motorists and his friends' fanciful version of events: If the driver is just a misunderstood innocent nice guy, please explain the baseball bat issue. I suppose it was actually a pen and he approached the photographer to get identification for use in any legal matters. That's what an innocent party would do, isn't it? In fact, the baseball bat aspect is part of the personality profile of bullies like the driver and people like him, as is compulsive lying.

================================
Why Cyclists Lose Patience with Motorists

Bearing in mind that many of us cycle and drive, I think you have to put yourself in the cyclists' shoes to understand decreased patience with motorists.

On one hand, we have the cyclists, minding their own business, using the roads as they have the right, perhaps not always obeying the traffic laws (sometimes due to their vehicle's small size, slow speed, manoeuverability and excellent visibility), getting some exercise, using minimal space and resources, and mostly not harming, endangering or bugging anyone else.

Along the ride, the cyclist enounters vast hordes of motorists, spewing poisonous gases, leaving clouds of filth, generating huge amounts of noise, getting fat, devouring limited resources and tossing unhealthy burgers. All this substantially degrades the travelling experience of the cyclist.

If that weren't enough, the motorists are continually breaking the laws, continually posing threats to the safety of the cyclist, and generally degrading the quality of life in our towns and cities. And if that weren't enough, there is a small but significant minority of motorists who deliberately bully cyclists. Hardly a fair fight. If you don't think this is enough to drive the cyclists to a certain measure of hatred of motorists, then you're a more tolerant person than I am.

Some accuse cyclists of being self-righteous. This is a bogus diversion of the argument from the balance of pros and cons, to motives and personalities. Motorists who have almost injured me through their stupidity or selfishness have objected to me swearing or gesturing at them. The risk to life and limb of the two actions is hardly comparable and reveals raw prejudice. I figure they have too much carbon monoxide in their brains to think straight.

Maybe, just maybe, it's legitimate for cyclists to be self-righteous because their choice of transportation method is inherently superior in so many ways. Maybe the real "problem" with cycling is that it isn't a big show of noise and power and wealth appealing to our viseral needs.

More icing on this most unpleasant cake is listening to self-righteous motorists complaining about cyclists breaking the laws. I'll mention just one point on this subject: how many motorists break the speed laws how much of the time?

How many motorists have been killed by cyclists?

Would you believe this isn't the end of it? Analysis of taxation and government spending in Canada reveals that motorists are subsidized by non-motorists by several thousand dollars per year. For instance, the police the cyclists help pay for, do squat to protect the safety and rights of cycists. The subsidy issue means the cyclists are subsidizing the drivers.

Does anyone still not understand why the cyclists might be on short fuses?

jp: 3rd Feb 2006 - 03:58 GMT

People commending Leah for throwing trash in that guy's car are absolutely ridiculous. There is no justification here for commiting a crime (granted, throwing trash in someone's car could probably only be construed as "mischief" at most)in the name of standing up for your beliefs. Should I go around tearing joints out of people's mouths if i don't agree with smoking marijuana ? Murdering pedophiles of my own accord? This is taking it to an extreme but the priniciple is the same. We all have differing views to some degree of what should and should not be illegal, the law exists as a common ground we all accept so we can avoid anarchy/mobb justice. Though that dudes actions were far worse than Leah's, I find what she did egotistical and self-righteous. She is not above the law and is not allowed to choose when/how people should pay for breaking the law. What she did is a greater offence to society than littering. If it came down to it, I'd rather live in a dirty city that is subject to the Rule of Law than a clean one that is subject to the whims of sanctimonious vigilantes. We all must abide by the law regardless of whether we like them or not or the system breaks down.
Secondly, regarding the police, this issue has nothing to do with gender. "ANY MALE, ASSAULTING A WOMAN, needs to be thrown in jail. Period. WTF?"(PK) People who assault PEOPLE should be thrown in jail. What if he was attacking a man of similar build/strenght to Leah? I would not like it if police placed less importance on an assault on me simply because of my gender. Gender certainly has far more relevance in terms of domestic violence and sexual assault. I don't think this crazy dude would've hesitated had it been another man (at the very least, a man of similar size) And maybe he's not crazy at all. Maybe he was having a terrrible day, maybe his wife just died of cancer or something when some lady took it upon herself to do what she did, he snapped...but probably he's just an ass. ok, maybe i went a little to far with all this, that's all...

Sheryl Crow: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:06 GMT

that polish guy is soooo hot! he looks like he's in better shape then Leah the FAT cyclist, maybe i should eat more burgers and cycle less?

David: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:07 GMT

The person who posted that really long piece about cyclists short fuses, get over yourself and your buddies.

len: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:12 GMT

I just moved back to Canada from Georgia, USA ... where suburbia is human unfriendly (like some of Scarborough), cyclists get doored, and people are obsessed with their vehicles. On top of that the ditches are full of trash and people expect the 'prisoners' to pick it up. Result ... driving through rural Georgia it looks like the dump it is ... outside your little culdesac with the oversized lot tucked in some Pecan Orchard. The road rage goof should get jail and the courier a fine.

observer: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:18 GMT

Lots to comment on here.

1. Littering is not cool. But calling the guy a polluter? Come on people, this is Kensington Market, not an old-growth forest. It's pretty dirty and unnatural to start with. "We have to fight litter in order to clean up the earth"! Get serious. If we wanted to clean up the earth the first thing we should do is bulldoze Kensington Market flat.
2. Throwing garbage back into the guy's car is like throwing it into his house. It is a major violation of *personal* space in a way that mere littering is not, and is very offensive and confrontation, which leads me to...
3. If a MAN threw the food back into the car, he would KNOW that he was about to be involved in a physical altercation. Period.
4. Why do we think that it's OK for a man (say of similiar size and weight) to get beat up, but not a woman who is acting exactly the same way? What happened to equality between the sexes and all that?
5. If it's not cool to stomp a bike, then it's not cool to key a car either (more expensive in fact). the double standard "respect her property, but don't worry about his" is not cool. is there anything more insufferable and self-righteous than a cycling advocate?

Jim: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:20 GMT

I took an hour to get through 1/2 of this chain (before giving up)so sorry if I'm repeating.
Leah is wrong! You can't have a city filled with people taking situations into their own hands. She thought thowing food back into the vehicle was the right way to handle it. She doesn't have the right to make those decisions - she's not a cop!
If I raise my voice in a movie theatre does Leah have the right to clap her hand over my mouth?
If my wife wears a fur coat, does Leah have the right to smear it with ketchup?
If Leah wears a racist t-shirt do I have the right to rip it off her back?
Living in a city requirs us to avoid physical confrontations at all times unless someone's safety is at risk.
These public "lessons" won't remove from our midst wackjobs like this motorist, nor change his behavior. Fact is Leah did it because it made her feel and look good. And I gather she regularly enlightens people in this way.
She challenged and shamed a person in a public place, no-one takes that well even if they know they have made a mistake.
While this driver's reaction was off the charts, who knows how you'd behave (right or wrong) if surprised at the wrong moment?
I've made mistakes in the past and I'm glad no self-righteous, granola-eating, left-wing, bomb-throwing, NDP voting courier was there to jump on top of me.
Also, women should not instigate physical confrontations (messing up property included) unless they want to give up their rights.

Observer: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:21 GMT

First of all, the moment he stepped out to attack Leah, he made it evident that he wasn't a man. Where I come from, in my culture, the moment you hit a woman, a girl, you are nothing more than weak scum, lower then the lowest life on earth.

But then again, the value of being a REAL MAN, doesn't seem to exist anymore.

Therefore, I will never refer to the "man" as a man anymore. Not even a woman. I will refer to the being as a lower than an animal.

Now, this animal, who apparently drives an SUV has a real ego problem... and unfortunately a terribly low self esteem problem as well. What kind of a nut goes out to attack a woman on a bicycle when they're caged up in a giant fortress of a vehicle?

Does anyone notice the disparity here? man in a GIANT CAR, which apparently was to make up for his LACK OF DICK, vs. Woman on a bicycle.

This animal is a weak weak weak animal. Pure and simple. He's NOT A REAL MAN. Just a seven year old with a temper tamptrum in what resembles and adult body.

Jim: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:25 GMT

After posting I looked back and realized "jp" has already made all of my points much more eloguently.

mark mailloux: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:29 GMT

wow! Are you kidding me? A person, throws trash out a car window...onto the street, and, someone in this city "reacts" ....people...."that" is the news!!! The unfortunate part, a woman, has to take the matters into her own hands and defend her moral fiber, and her neighborhood, ya thanks sooooo wrong?, not! The issue with this city, and the cities around NA like us, you are going to hell in a handbasket! Rise up and make a stand! Sure, the person to whom you throw the back the garbage may carry a gun and may shoot you.....okay, it is a risk......but, let us applaud her for her heroics
and not shove her under a bus for standing up for what might be .....a great city. PS- To the loser who punched a woman.....dude, you are one tough studd....I hope all the ladies in the GTA find you.......MACHO, loser!

Kilgore Trout: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:54 GMT

What really sinks this moron is that he returned to find the courier after the initial confrontation. There are clearly two incidents. He has to assume responsibility for everything that happened as he returned to wreak vengeance. The police dropped the ball in that they didn't charge him with assault and property damage for what he did to her bike and the parked minivan.

Dear Jim: You are a hopeless cock.

John in Toronto: 3rd Feb 2006 - 05:16 GMT

I saluted Leah. We need more people like her.
She should have kick him in the "balls" to soften him up.
If this was in another country, the litter bug would have been fine. I agreed with a previous reader, Kingston Market should be car free zone. Just too much cars.

My Conclusion: 3rd Feb 2006 - 05:20 GMT

There is only one nutjob in this thread who's defending the Violent Nutjob Rageaholic, and he's posing as multiple posers: it's rageboy himself. There can't be this many stupid rednecks in Toronto.

this is great!: 3rd Feb 2006 - 05:32 GMT

Finally someone puts the woman in her place...

Angryjohnny: 3rd Feb 2006 - 05:37 GMT

its amazing how mad this guy got when someone put "his" trash back into his car where it came from.... could you imagin how mad he'd get if someone from kensington drove down his street and threw "their" trash infront of his house..omg.. I think his head would explode.

Luke: 3rd Feb 2006 - 05:38 GMT

They both did wrong. Of course the guy look like the bad one and definitly the one that look stupid and out of control. The guy should not have thrown out found and the girl should not have thrown it back in is car. In a way she ran after trouble and got it too!

Shabazz: 3rd Feb 2006 - 05:51 GMT

Why cant you solve your problems like Driscoll!!

GOGI: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:09 GMT

This is cracking me up.

Listen to all the people getting upset that Mr. Motorist had his garbage returned to his vehicle. OMG - his poor, precious car!!! Look, if it was just some nutjob throwing some random garbage in his car, OK, different story. But IT WAS HIS GARBAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE!

What if he had taken his household garbage can and emptied it in the park across the street and then a neighbour picked up the garbage and dumped it back on his property? Same kinda deal.

I really liked the idea of him being U-locked by the neck and buried in garbage. Now THAT would be a cool front page picture.

Oh, and Eric? You lost the battle. You aren't smart and you aren't funny. STFU already.

Grey Aluer: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:14 GMT

I hate people… whether it be the two people involved in the original incident or the dumb cunts arguing over religion. In fact everyone involved in this whole discussion, I hate.

I have herpes

The Cat: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:17 GMT

Kudos to Leah the biker....I'm also disgusted with all the litter ignorant people create....the driver got exactly what he deserved...why should our hard earned taxes be used to clean up his mess along with so many others. Take care of yourself Leah and remember always..."If it's got tires or testicles it's going to give you a hard time."

OHBOY/SHOULD I SAY GIRL: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:32 GMT


The mans a bonehead (being polite) any man that treats a woman like that after what he did deserves to get his ass kicked. U go Girl!!!!!

SMACKO: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:34 GMT

i don't know the whole story about the toronto thing. but i think chibo should've left his garbage on the floor and then i would have laughed if charles had spazzed and thrown it at chibo's head. anyway litter is gross; makes cities gross. it's not hard to throw out trash, people!!! there are trash cans everywhere. make the effort!!! but i think the woman's actions were a bit unnecessary. the idea was good but i'm sure there are better ways of approaching the problem. the man, though, my god. what would cause him to react like that? makes every good samaritan cringe to think that their good actions might be met by a psycho... eep!

Tits McGee: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:39 GMT

Who's that Grey Aluer guy above who said he hates people and has Herpes? What does that have to do with anything?

I think that broad was very courages in what she did. She should be rewarded. Someone ought to give her a gift certificate to the mall or something. And she could probably use some new clothing.

I HATE YOU TOO GREY ALUER!: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:41 GMT

Guys like that (a few posts above) should be banned! Don't patronize me! What kind of name is that anyway?

You GO LEAH!

Neo: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:43 GMT

"That's Leah, a Toronto courier. I'm a former courier, now dispatching. She was defending her space, and this guy attacks her. Typical behaviour of a motorist."

Her space? Come on now.. the road system is designed for cars, not bikes (except for bike lanes) and not cars and bikes.. lets just stop pretending. Bikes are a major nuisance. It's like walking with mice running around your feet.

While I feel bad for her, she really had no business provoking this guy.

Dante: 3rd Feb 2006 - 06:59 GMT

I agree NEO .. you couldn't have made a better analogy to say, "walking with mice running around your feet". Bicycle riders think since they are on bikes, cars must give MORE respect to them.

Fact is that it’s this mentality that gets them killed. Like how they ride in the middle, or even slightly (but not enough) to right side of the (CAR) lane, and think they are going the same speed that vehicles lined up behind them “SHOULD” be going. NO. When I’m driving behind these fools, I always want to go faster (and rightfully so). I patiently wait for my opportunity to put myself in the oncoming traffic lane to go around these dickheads.

Randy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 07:03 GMT

"If you threw my litter back in the car at me, you better believe you're getting your ass kicked. Stupid hippies."

I dream of dumbasses like you. Nothing more satisfying than having a right-wing neanderthal get their ass kicked by a "hippy". Have fun explaining that one to your friends.

Bring it on, bitch.

Jestersgears: 3rd Feb 2006 - 07:15 GMT

First things first, people, the street is NOT a garbage can, despite what 90% of the world thinks.
Second, Don't start nothing, there wont be nothing.
There's probably a whole lot of things that led to this, being a bike messenger in Vancouver i know how a bad day can wind up involving a fist-fight. Something like this happened in Van involving a courier, a motorist and a baseball bat. The guy with the baseball bat won, till they went to court.
Bottom line, he should be up on assault.

We don't have these problems in Vancouver: 3rd Feb 2006 - 07:30 GMT

Kudos to the motorist...Who does this woman think she is? Mother Earth's right hand lady. Honestly, if she had a problem with the litter, why not throw it in the trash. Its a shame that an honest motorist has to have his name dragged through the mud over this. Sure, it does look bad, what with attacking a woman and all...but come on....this do good hero bitch stuck her head where it didnt belong, and her bicycle was rightly stomped because of it.
I mean, if her goal was to get the trash off of Toronto's streets, she should have jumped into that car along with the sandwich.

Quaid: 3rd Feb 2006 - 07:52 GMT

Randy I would kick your ass so bad the only dream you'd be having would be that you were still living or that, "dumbasses", was actually a word.

Mr. Quaid

Monster: 3rd Feb 2006 - 07:57 GMT

so stupid, I'm talking about that good looking blonde in the white vest dating the woman basher. There are unreasonable people everywhere in the world and you have a choice... to react emotionally or exercise some self control, your boyfriend is a loser and you should DUMP him. Open your eyes and realize... you can do better. Dont wait till your old and ugly to realize this, when no one is interested in you.

To the guy who goes by the name DUH, I'm smarter than you and would never lay a hand on Leah but now... many have seen your picture now and know what you deserve, glad I'm not you.

Guy from L.A.: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:03 GMT

Is this what Canadians, or sorry (more like) Torontonians, spend their time doing? Bitching over a petty little thing like this? You all must have a city free of crime or any other problems to have so little to complain about.

What a mess. Over what? … NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! Make something – out of – nothing. Fantastic!

It says that there have been almost 320,000 views of this page in 8 days, and I see a whole lot of postings on this too. TRY SPENDING YOUR TIME ON SOMETHING USEFUL!!!

YOU MAY ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING! (Or at least more.)

Imagine 320,000 people spending even only 3 min. each on this. That’s almost 1 Million minutes of time that could have been spent on something productive. That’s almost 2 years straight of TIME!

GROW UP STUPID(S)!

Monster: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:04 GMT

P.S. anyone that thinks it's ok to toss your garbage out the window of your car onto the street and would defend this jerk.... is gonna have their own encounter one day. The planet is not your garbage can, if you dont care about the place you live then society doesn't care about you.

Chris Rock: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:04 GMT

Ain't nobody above an ass whoopin...male female young or old
She wanted to prove she was bad by throwing it back in the van, she is lucky the did it to someone as soft as that guy or it would have been really bad.

Mach: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:08 GMT

On the other hand, truth composed inbetween the split seconds of an SLR is
rarely a given on unpublished photos and even less so without explanatory captions. Pictures 7-8 reveal her getting the upper hand in the battle.
I suggest some basic self defence classes Leah to help you deal with your
inner hostilities to engage the people you share space with in a civil
manner...sure some people will take up more space...but until we are all granted free right and rein to remove cigarettes from peoples mouths because in our minds its secondary assault, stop fat people from eating, and ram
cars in return for cutting us off, you will always be in the wrong, as your little meta-statement proves no great point. That we feel temporarily better by correcting others in a self-righteous way wont make people less prone to throw a half eaten rotten tasting burger on the ground where it might well belong.

RE: we don't have these problems in Vancouver

only because no squeegee person attacks have made it to press, you think
they invented a Safe Streets Act for fun? BINGO! TO needs a SAFE STREETS
ACT, let them riot of they dont like it, huh?

CHRIS ROCK NEVER DID MAKE MUCH SENSE.: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:08 GMT

Chris Rock is speaking his usual incoherent jive.

In defense of chris.. I do understand what he is trying to say.

Monster: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:11 GMT

Chris Rock, I think she was not trying to prove she was bad.... I think she was trying to make the point that tossing garbage onto the street is not acceptable and while I dont support her actions... I absolutely support her principles.

writeupyrass: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:14 GMT

You guys who keep threatning each other over the web sound so tuff, sitting on your ass, with some mocha frapociono, bubble tea kinda action. Get a life and stop bull-shitting about "..what you'd do if somebody.....(blah, blah, blah).
But now that I think about it, you are providing me with some solid laughs.
Yeah, fuck it! If I ran into you punks on the street and you spilled coffee on me or keyed my H2, no doubt, I'd kick all your asses!

Alexandre Dumas: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:15 GMT

I'm a dumas.

And Quaid, I'm laughing at the beating you will one day receive. "Uh, fellas, a treehugger opened a can of whoopass on me. I'm a monumental pussy."

LEAH: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:16 GMT

This is Leah:

I just wanted to say to Mach that my "little meta-statement” OBVIOUSLY didn’t prove any great point just by the fact that only 300,000 + people have been to this page alone in the last 8 days, and if you read some of the posts above you'll see that most people have taken my side... MORON.

writeupyrass: YOU'RE GOING DOWN BITCH!

Alexandre Dumas: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:23 GMT

My sister's a horrid nightmare of a woman. Have at her.

Have fun with your fantasies about killing me. I hope they distract you when your face repeatedly strikes my knee.

Monster: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:33 GMT

These are children talking in the above posts Leah, you more than have our support... you have our respect for stand you took! I want to live in a world with more Leahs. Never doubt your self, just stay careful.

Mach: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:42 GMT

better we give the guy a stern talking to and lecture him on how many
starving people his dumb burger would have fed, on the other hand, the food that passes for consumption these days would make some people gag...including for instance Leah...I'd day her cut off shorts are harmful to the cause
of peace..live and let live or pipe one down your own throat before
telling some dude garbage belongs in a can not in your mouth. get it?

EvilGentleman: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:44 GMT

TO: Observer: 3rd Feb 2006 - 04:21 GMT

Well said. I knew some of us normal people still had to left on this planet. Thank you.

Monster: 3rd Feb 2006 - 08:58 GMT

Mach, your point is to talk to this guy? I'd agree with you nine tenths of the time but I've had this happen right out side my doorway in Vancouver and it's frustrating, watching someone toss their garbage out the window of their car (cause I live at the end of a street facing a cul-de-sac where people like to park) and not ten feet away from a garbage can too. I have made a point of asking very politely... "excuse me, theres a garbage can right there, could you please toss that MacDonald’s garbage in it cause otherwise it will attract rats?". They smile and nod then drive away.

I'm so frustrated with this I'd like to have them pulled from their car and humiliated in front of the nation but instead... I clean it up myself. I feel Leah's pain and sympathize, maybe someone like me is next to go postal on one of these motorists…. God knows they’d deserve it.

Mach: 3rd Feb 2006 - 09:02 GMT

Hah! I only asserted that you were wrong for starting a melee I didnt say I needed the majority of commentors to agree with me. Whats done is done, if you feel right in your own mind based on commendations from people you dont really know or neither know you that what you did was right I wont argue with you.
People like me who have been viciously assaulted more than three times
in our lifetimes know whereof we speak. If you feel right about what happened and the ensuing mess it created, you wouldnt need support....half of these guys would never say they would ever throw away a rotten half eaten burger out the window in their whole lives...so how can thye be in a position to say how they would react? well, for arguments sake lets say one of them
did since we all have bad days and what non-carbon based life form among us hasnt done something regretable?....you enter and invade my personal space by throwing it back at me
and its gonna fly right back in your face....whereas all the other guys I am
sure would take a lesson from Ms Self-Righteous and mouth I Love You's in between smacking those small sampling tender morsels of eating crow and humble pie..face it, you already said: "Right or wrong" you threw it back at him.
A little bit of burger on the ground is for crows and seagulls to fight over, not humans and you must fricking know it by now. You dont know if moron #1
was throwing out a rotten burger any more than you know he just got fired
on the same day his bitchy PMS ridden wife served him with divorce papers
...and thats exactly why I dont applaude your actions. These people "supporting" you dont know squat.

Mach: 3rd Feb 2006 - 09:18 GMT

I dont get it then. I pick up after people sometimes. Its no problem. I help keep my hood clean. Many cities have Adopt a Street projects, where they conduct weekly cleanups of streets they adopt, all volunteers and they get a sign as a reward for their efforts. Last time I was in Vancouver, a beggar squeegee guy was
taking a real right quick lesson on Hai Kai Karate from an irate motorist...I was in there like a dirty shirt to put a stop to it which was called for
as this guy went psycho...and the squegee guy was quite defenceless....as
some of us know what its like to pick up garbage off the ground for nothing
but through our own efforts of a clean street as a reward..Id have to say I am
insulted to think this is how we go about it...by instigating fights.

seth: 3rd Feb 2006 - 09:44 GMT

first off is there anybody here older then 12?second off questions for leah:
1-do you even do your own dishes?2-do you clean your own bathroom and 3-do you clean your own room?i say let's all go to leah's house and find out.your so worried about the streets start with personal higiene.

Mach: 3rd Feb 2006 - 09:58 GMT

WEll Observer what would you do? Whistle the theme from RAMBO through the nosehairs of your nostrils while driving the car to the paint repair shop (think BILLS + rotten burger!) or do a Tarzan holler while wiping the
stain from track suit jacket? id say throwing a piece of meat back into
someones car is a womanly thing to do, although its HALF a step away from
putting it in the place it belongs like the garbage can, which
BTW would have been
the FULL step away from starting a confrontation. As I said, in my books it proves no point...all in all it just looks really bad for your city.

you know what you did? You told
him the street doesnt belong to him (it doesnt)...you told him it belongs
to you (it doesnt)..even if you said it belongs to all of you (it does)
youre not right for engaging and goading him into a fight. Sorry!

Mind you, next time make mental notes of the guys you want to take on
....anyone you see having coffeee with a burger in the first place
..leave alone, and just hope they get their comeuppance and retribution
some other time...having burger with a coffee is a sign of someone
imbalanced in the first place and wouldnt get the message as to why you love/prefer a clean street even if you airbrushed a photo of a clean street
on the insides of his eyelids....if I were a Judge I'd throw the book
at him and make him volunteer for a city clean up or lieu of that: a hefty
fine...and lecture the girl on the real cost of keeping a city clean
while trying to avoid an Im sure clogged court system...sorting out
peoples and their squabbles. HE could claim the damages to his car
from insurance (hopefully) and she gets dinged for that? Fair is fair.
A burger thrown on the ground leaves no marks.

OK< so I admit I skipped over a part where he threw a coffee (veree important I know!)...but thats retaliation to a deliberate provocation..unlike his
throwing a burger out a window wasnt probably meant to provoke anyone into a fight.....wasting a coffee as well as a burger shows this gent to be a
CLASSLESS individual, further proof as to why you even wasted your time in
the first place.


No comments on why the woman in the white vest looks all nails bared?Interesting aspect of the photo-play to be ignored....

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At least we're all talking?: 3rd Feb 2006 - 09:59 GMT

Sorry about the low quality pic. Just having some fun because everyone is way too serious these days and we all need to lighten up a little.

ALEX T.O.: 3rd Feb 2006 - 10:06 GMT

I agree wholeheartedly with Leah's response. ALthough she claims her response was instinctual it was the correct response at the time. The fact that it was documented serves to expose the cowardly behaviour of the instigator-the fellow who polluted the street with his lunch and who went at the photographer with a baseball bat and who threw two cups of coffee at the girl and attempted to damage her vehicle.
The fellow is a coward for attacking her. And the irony-SUV vs bicycle. What would he have done if some guy bigger than him had responded the same way she did? He obviously thinks he is entitled to go postal on her because she invaded his space. Yet, he seems oblivious to the fact that it was his ignorance which set this pathetic event in motion. The fellow must have a life in some illusory world were OUR world is his garbage bin. He must have such a cushy life and be so insulated from daily realities that it takes an event, such as this one, to awaken him from his daily stupor!

hool your funny...: 3rd Feb 2006 - 10:37 GMT

you take away the picture of oscar the grouch but you leave all the pictures insulting the hindus
racist prick

Airborne Crocodile: 3rd Feb 2006 - 11:02 GMT

All this would have been settled much more peacefuly if cooler heads prevailed and he backed his car over her bike several times...or if this was not an option...simply threw her bike in his trunk and drove off

billso: And this all happened in front of a bike shop?

ryno: 3rd Feb 2006 - 12:08 GMT

i actually here people here saying this chick is a hero?a HERO?give me a brake...

ryno: 3rd Feb 2006 - 12:11 GMT

YEAH,leah's a real hero she makes fire fighters and doctors look like shit.

malaiko: 3rd Feb 2006 - 12:26 GMT

hool is it true he tried to attack you with a baseball bat?

North Bay Dude : 3rd Feb 2006 - 12:31 GMT

Just to clear up the confusion, a beef patty is NOT a hamburger, it's one of these, mon...

Litter did I Know: 3rd Feb 2006 - 13:15 GMT

I read this story carefully. I have already dealt with a similar situation in a similar way in Victoria BC. A Car whizzes by me on a narrow downtown street and out the window flies the litter leftover of a dairy queen meal...I cycle over pick up the garbage and then cycle after the car. I knock on the front driver window when I catch them at the next light. When they roll down the window, i throw their garbage back in the car. and say simply..."next time try using a garbage can.." and then I cycle off. I noticed they stopped at the next garbage can and sheepishly put their trash in a designated city garbage can.
I also a few years ago had a lit cigarette butt strike me in the face as I was cycling. I got the butt and caught the car and put the butt back in their open window. I merely informed the outraged litterbugs that they were lucky it did not hit either of my eyes because then I would be really mad. They shut up after I said that. In thailand travelling with a friend right now and we are constantly confronting westerners mostly dumping garbage off boats into the sea...
I say principled confrontation of litterbugs is good.
Of Course I am 6 foot two and male...and if I dont mind risking standing up to mindless bullies everywhere because if people like Leah dont take a stand early enough then the mindless ones do even more damage.

casper new brunswick: 3rd Feb 2006 - 13:24 GMT

people are just too stressed these days...........they should always think before they react or act

cheese: 3rd Feb 2006 - 14:00 GMT

it's just a matter of each person thinking the other was wrong

Who Cares?: 3rd Feb 2006 - 14:26 GMT

They're both wrong. She should have stopped, taken down his plate # and let him know she was calling in his # to the police. After all, isn't that what they said to do, if you see someone doing something wrong, be it dumping garbage out of a window or swerving in and out of traffic just take down the plate # and call it in? Don't try to take matters into your own hands. Look at what happens. Stupidity harbours stupidity. Let the law handle these situtions. If it had escalated to the point where he shot and killed her or vice versa what would you people have to say then? Oh the poor girl or oh the poor guy? Let it rest. All the fame and glory could give someone else or the same person the hype to do it again and this time it could cause serious repercusions or maybe detrimental. If the action was done with good intent leave it as that and move on. This is too much folks.

Kirtikumar: 3rd Feb 2006 - 14:29 GMT

She doesn't have the right to throw garbage in his car just as he doesn't have the right to throw his garbage in the street. If she felt he was wrong then she should have told him so. It's not her place to take action. That's what cops are for.
As for him he flipped out. Big deal. Everybody has flipped out at least once in there life.

justanote: 3rd Feb 2006 - 14:34 GMT

it is not a matter of each thinking the other wrong, and gwbush has shown the mayham of 'principled confrontation'.
Does the word vigilanty come to mind?
Civil life means electing people and institutions which satisfy our civic needs. Both of these monkies, and dispiritingly too many of the commentators, fail to act within any civil principles. Kudos to the bystanders who acted to restrain the childish violence.
A litterbug's lack of civic pride betrays their own scatalogical values; the vigilanty's act reduces civil life to a spasm of childish uncultured gestures. oh Canada

anon (ip68-97-253-142.ok.ok.cox.net): 3rd Feb 2006 - 14:44 GMT

Civil life does not mean electing people and institutions which satisfy our civic needs. He is not a vigilante, just an ill-mannered brute.

bib: 3rd Feb 2006 - 15:14 GMT

WhatI usally do is ge tmad ....think about it. But on a good I have followed idiots like that person and left a nice deep scratch on their car...make it real deep it costs more to repair.But on a really really good day they would not have any head lights...so if your car is scratched and the lights are busted it's me ...behave next time.If you are really concerned just take the license plate and description and report the incident to the police.They sometimes follow-up.

protestarmy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 15:28 GMT

I found and posted what is attributed to be the couriers version of this story. I found this on Spacing Wire. It presents a slightly different angle on the whole keying of the car issue. If that happened as she says, it seems to me like shes not nearly as wrong as everyone makes it out.

http://spacing.ca/wire/?p=491

…Although I am a courier, I was WALKING my bike up Augusta when the incident took place. He was driving and opened his door (while driving) and yelling profanities he threw his beef patty on a bun out of his door. I walked over to his car, and right or wrong, I opened the door and “gave” him back his food (which he MUST have dropped by accident!) He then lost it, and jumped out of his car and threw 2 large Timmies at meand then grabbed me by my helmet and tried to toss me around a bit.It was at that point that my bike lock key (that I wear on a bracelet around my wrist) scratched his car. I have read all the postings about people sympathetic to the car driver due to the expense of repairing the scratch but sorry folks, i doubt that it will cost him anything to repair as it was a 1.2cm mark in the clearcoat only(did not damage the paint) but regardless a scratch none the less. Then with some “encouraging” from some helpfull bystanders he got in his car and drove away…or so I thought! People were comming up to me and saying that I should have him charged but at that point I just figured I had made my anti-littering point and and eye for and eye with the coffee shower, I mean I did throw that patty right. But just as I was getting on my bike to ride home he came running back and thats when the photos start. He had driven half a block and decided that the scratch was worthy of a more thorough beating I guess.
And as for the police charging him…. He took off in his car as soon as he heard the sirens….they chased him down but it is not a crime to leave the scene. They were going to charge him with a variety of things including assult with a weapon x2, mischief x2, aggravated assault, etc, but the police informed me that if I went ahead and placed those charges then they would have to charge me with mischeif for the scratch.

MeatMan: 3rd Feb 2006 - 15:52 GMT

What a shame...

This really tends to show what happens when you pack a bunch of humans into a small area -- they start eating each other like rats. It all comes down to a total lack of class and a complete loss respect and consideration.

Bike Courier: Next time, pick the trash up and wedge it under his wiper-blades. No damage done, message sent and he'll either have to get out and remove it or drive with it. If he removes it and throws it on the ground again, he's a confirmed piece of shit in my mind and will get his dues in time. Littering is completely and totally unacceptable, it disgusts me to no end, but assaulting someone with their litter is also wrong.

Driver: You're a very lucky man I wasn't one of the bystanders; there would have been more police reports to fill out. I was raised to respect not only woman, but all people -- raising your hand to a woman instantly shows how morally bankrupt and weak you are. Seek help before the public seeks you.

MeatMan
http://www.abattoir.net

me:): 3rd Feb 2006 - 16:00 GMT

HOOL
I saw your other pictures from around the city, very nice . cheers

Six : 3rd Feb 2006 - 16:02 GMT

I would and have given people there garbage back when they drop it. I almost always do it politley( ok a little sarcasticly, but its funny for people to look like such idiots for so little) In every situation cooler heads prevail so yes, when captain douche bag tosses the coffee the correct response is to take down his lisence and report him. In the heat of the moment you might want to be beligerent and take something back from these people who make the staus quo. The ones who drive suvs (although they are often proven to be unsafe and do much more damage to the environment than a battalion of smokers). keying the wee bastards car was wrong, but it must have felt good for a moment, maybe even a little strike against those who agressively damage everyones environment while others make choices to do better. We all have to take care of eachother, driving in crowded areas and asaulting people half your size doesn't help with that. people should stand up and ask that there streets not be littered upon. Once he threw the coffee in her face she should not have keyed his car but more bystanders should have stood up with her.
If anyone knows the courier I'll offer up to help with bike repairs just post and we'll figure something out for contacting eachother. As for captain douchebag , dude I hope its me next time ( but then I'm not half your size)

James: 3rd Feb 2006 - 16:06 GMT

The move he made to dump her bike, the foot against wheel and pull on seat is a move taught to cops, so I doubt if he was charged for anything. Why did he have a baseball bat in the middle of winter? Seems like assualt with weapon, no battery. Courier rocks, and anyone who disagrees can go cry to mama. Who do you think can stop assholes littering in your face and on streets, like the Toronto cops or some other pedestrian and biker unfriendly army? Wait till you're hit by a car and see how much shit the cops give. Keying makes its' mark. Don't wimp-off, express yourself!

sidney: 3rd Feb 2006 - 16:10 GMT

ps...Leah does need a new wardrobe though! I will grant you that! omg! Lmfoa! Let's take up a fund to help her fix her bike and get some new clothes! lol....

allan - 3rd Feb 2006 8.39 PT: 3rd Feb 2006 - 16:45 GMT

My wife, who spends too muhc time on er computer - sent me this. I was puzzled when I opened the file, fascinated thereafter, This is the sort of thing I remember takes place daily on the streets of To. And that was 30 years ago, before I moved to peace and quiet in northwestern B.C.
(Now...I miss it a bit.) That's not where I was going...what I planned to say was how stunned I am that these photos can unleash such a torrent of amazing and contrary commentary from so many people. This is life in the big city...

Recent commentator Sydney ... see a shrink. You are mixed up. First you want to neuter the rednecks to prevent offspring who'll participate in this sort of thing -- then you advocate a steel-to boot kicking for rageboy. It wasn't until I saw the requirement that they be worn by ladies that I recognized your affiliation....By the way, are you a grannie?

I know the guy's name: It's Don Cherry, of course.

Iceman: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:27 GMT

Clearly two wrongs were made and from the ensuing events there is no way in hell anyone is right.
The jack should not litter.
The jill should not impose her views (confrontationally).

Amerikanski: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:28 GMT

Hey Sidney- if I toss a biodgradable out my window (assuming I'm not cursing/aiming at you at the same time, for good reason), it's all good. 'Wipe my face' with it and you will have lifelong memories. Your fantasy of mass-famale kickings is a cautionary tale of your subconscious, careful.....and BTW eating granola and hugging trees doesn't make you any more 'noble' or less of an environmental impact. As far as comparing US to Canada, read the history and statistics before spouting off. Remember, resource advocacy and conservation (even the ESA) started, and continue, in America. Many more American resources are doing fieldwork in Canada alone than Canadians are doing in the whole hemisphere. As far as your opinions on ecology; duly noted by me, on this msg board (wow, what an impact)- but relax, Americans are working to preserve ecosystems worldwide (at least some of us are). Insofar as this relates to the topic at hand, the cyclist remains as much an idiot as the motorist, more details excluded. Overall, a mutual shootout would have depleted the lead-based bullet population and deprived the community of two top omnivores. I don't see any minuses there. Sounds callous, but it's true. Violent or confrontational (ie not reasonable) people ought to be handed live-fire munitions that will only function in the presence of similar weaponry.

timmy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:30 GMT

I saw the "knob grabs the messenger's wheel" photo on flickr in one of the bike groups, but it got removed pretty quickly, likely in deference to hool's copyright, but it's gone viral all over the web. I got the link to this page from a friend in UK (I'm in Seattle), so it's definitely got worldwide attention now, at least from the bike community. Crazy story. Great that it was captured in such detail. Not so great that it's such a both-sides-wrong story, tho'. If I had to take sides, I'd of course side with the messenger, but, eh... keying? That's just a recipe for getting in a scrape.

Julie in ontario: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:31 GMT

I think Leah was a crazy to open that guys door in the first place, but good for her in defending herself!!!!! You really should think twice before you act or one of these times it's going to be your last!!!You never know whats out there!!!! Anyone could be in danger if they're not street smart or just have some brain about them in the first place!! PLEASE BE SAFE AND CHOOSE WISELY!!! Leah hope your ok and not hurt to badly!! Just rember to use your head before you act and be CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!IF you have a son at home you have to think of him as well!!He needs his mother!!

Bike Courier: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:32 GMT

I am so hungry.

I wish I had the patty in question to it.

Cooter: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:33 GMT

Oh man what scum. I am totally ashamed to call TO home. Has anyone seen what our city looks like now-adays? People just don't give a rat's ass anymore, tossing their trash on the road like that. Why can't people just put it in a bag in the car and dispose of it at home. We all have garbage pickup. Canada used to be noted as the cleanest place in the world, not now. Now I do think that Leah overstepped her capabilies in handing back the trash. I have contemplated that many times, but we do live in TO and I have an extreme alergy to lead (more scum).

mr detroit: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:39 GMT

to CANADIANS ROCK
WOW you canadians can spell better than us,is that the best you can come up with?is that why your so better?so let me see in a country as multicultural as canada your gonna tell me everybody there spells so good?and yes you know what, we do have a fuckin ignorant as a president but at least we HAVE ONE something you fuckin DONT,at least we dont carry the fuckin lazy cunt who does fuck all of the queen of england in our money,we dont fuckin worship her like you fucks,who even have some dumb broad who represents her and who you idiots with your tax money pay for the big fuckin ceremony of the introduction of the of the rep of the queen of fuckin england,and speaking of redneck bush,GUESS WHAT,you just elected redneck harper from fuckin alberta your fuckin texas,and i guy who aparently only left canada once in his life,so now guess what?you got your own fuckin bush.And we are so stupid us americans but you like our american music,you like our american movies,you like our american FOOTBALL[super bowl coming soon let's see how many CANADIANS ARE GONNA WATCH THAT]you like our simpsons,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc..................................

Cooter: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:41 GMT

Hey "mr detroit" do you kiss your momma with that mouth?

Jury's Verdict on Evil Gentleman: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:42 GMT

A fundamental premise of justice, is that it is blind.

Whether you choose to stand on moral values or not, whether the colour of your skin is black, green or white, whether you are a man of means, or inpecunious, when you transgress the boundaries of what is permissible at law, you ought to face the blunt force of the justice system.

Therefore, when you restrain people from committing assault, you may do so only under the premise that you are making a private citizen's arrest. At that point, you must immediately make bona fide attempts to turn your detainee over to the nearest peace officer.

You however, admit you often make so no such attempts. Therefore any action in your continuing restraint of a party, where you have no requisite intent to deliver the detainee to the nearest peace officer, can be construed as constituting the offence of forcible confinement. That is a very serious offence under the Criminal Code.

Second, you openly admit that you assault people, as though doing so entitles you to a badge of honour of some sort. It does not matter why you assault them. The fact is that you assault them. The reasons for your assault - when these do not constitute one of the narrow defences available for assault (ie. self-defense) - are irrelevant. The matter of provocation (in your case, through an attack on your own moral sensibilities) are matters that strictly go to mitigation, on sentencing. They do not affect your liability as to whether a conviction for assault is made out. They matter not one iota, in Canadian law.

Further, when you assault someone to the degree where a common assault would rise to the level of an aggravated assault (or if you were to assault with a weapon), you still may rely on the narrow defences in the Criminal Code (ie. self-defence). However, you lose the benefit of raising mitigating factors, on sentencing, if convicted.

You, Evil Gentleman, stand on morality to justify transgressions of law. The jury has carefully read your posts. You have raised your arguments, skillfully and with ability. The jury thanks you for your participation. You are clearly well-read, intelligent and able to stand your ground in the face of adversity.

Unfortunately, your argument is doomed to fail. The jury is not at all convinced that you provide a greater social good, as opposed to perpetrating a social evil from which protection is required.

Having previously commented on, and thoroughly examined your postings, there is no need, in the interests of avoiding the creation of voluminous material on this, to repeat what has already been said.

However, a useful analogy to illustrate that you are misguided in your sense of moral responsiblity, is to look to those who harbour different types of moral responsibility, in the international sphere. Some persons in certain warzones firmly believe, for instance, that it is their moral duty to drive alongside an impartial news reporter's vehicle, and detonate a bomb. They firmly believe that that is THEIR moral duty.

The rule of law, reigns supreme over competing moral viewpoints. As such, we must look to the rule of law, in order to maintain order in society. We do not look to address conflict by way of considerations of morality, in contexts where competing issues of morality arise that are at odds with enacted legislation. This is so because it would not be possible for society to function under such a grey area, and no lasting jurisprudence could ever be derived from it.

Having said that, you are found guilty of creating a greater social harm, than any benefit which is stood to be gained from your brand of vigilante justice.

Women do not need people such as yourself, for their protection. It is the police whom they actually need for protection - much more police, in far greater numbers. Furthermore, women need to be protected from people such as yourself, every bit as equally as they need to be protected from those who ruthlessly physically assault them.

In the final analysis, you are a common criminal and a thug. The sooner a properly trained police officer, carrying out his duties in accordance with law, sweeps you into his dustpan and dumps you into a jailcell where you belong, the faster society can brush itself clean of your vigilante menace.

No further comments required, Evil Gentleman.

mr detroit: no COOTER but i kiss your mama with it

kyuss: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:49 GMT

can somebody explain to me where the baseball bat comes in?

Cooter: Yah nice one.

kyuss: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:51 GMT

SonOfaBitch: 2nd Feb 2006 - 22:46 GMT
your statement was hilarious!!LOL!

Sabbath: 3rd Feb 2006 - 17:57 GMT

Was'nt this a hamburger pattie. Its not like its tim horton cups. Let the animals have a snack also. Remember feeding the birds at Macdonalds, we used to throw food out the windows all the time there, everyone did. The food did'nt last long, just seconds. I think that has changed now due to pigeon problems however. This was bio degradeable, so not really litter in my opinion. And it was'nt directed at her. Therefore "her fault".

Pedro: 3rd Feb 2006 - 18:00 GMT

Litterer or Vigilante: that's the choice.

If it was a guy opening a woman's car door and tossing a piece of garbage at her the guy would be in a jail cell. Total hypcorisy here.

the new guy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 18:02 GMT

I just moved to Toronto this past fall. I have lived in Vancouver, a small college town in the U.S. midwest (Iowa City, IA) and most recently, Edmonton. Having only ever visited Toronto for short periods of time, living in the "big city" has been remarkably eye-opening. One of the most interesting things I see is the lack of civility on the streets between cars and pedestrians, cars and bicyclists and bicyclists (who ride on the sidewalk) and pedestrians. I've also seen some not-so-great pedestrian-pedestrian interactions as well... On this basis, I don’t have much good to say about either the bike courier or the driver in this case. I think they both could have and SHOULD HAVE behaved in a much more civilized manner! People here seem to live in their own little world and on many occassions I have observed the tendency to ignore what is going on around them; a lot of people here are both selfish and self-centered. And then of course, there is the litter issue, which I think is a big one. I sometimes hear visitors to Toronto say how clean they find the city. Personally, I find this city filthy; the cigarette butts, the empty paper coffee cups and the various and sundry pieces of paper that get strewn about this town are horrible. What has happened to the civility of city dwellers?

Gad zoots: 3rd Feb 2006 - 18:06 GMT

The real hero of all this is the guy pulling of litter boy from courier girl. Koodos to you who ever you are.

the dude is inocent: 3rd Feb 2006 - 18:11 GMT

but the toronto star states another version the driver says:
i didn't litter,i chocked on the patty and my girlfriend hit me in my back so i would spit it out

city by-law guy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 18:29 GMT

just put the trash in the can or keep it in the vehicle until you get home.... and people.................................................................................................................................................................. stop putting cigarette butts on the ground or you may get charged with littering.............................................. $360.00

Michael: 3rd Feb 2006 - 18:47 GMT

Sometimes it takes an over-the-top incident to make a point that's well worth making. I commend this woman for having the guts/audacity to throw this guy's crap back in his face. I'm sick of these selfish slobs who think they have carte blanche to deface our city streets.

I once witnessed someone throwing out all their refuse from their car window and I did nothing for fear of escalating violence. But this womans's courage has made me think that I won't be so timid next time.

Lady, you are a true hero and I salute you !!

Shannon: 3rd Feb 2006 - 19:07 GMT

Keying a paint job does not cost thousands of dollars. Usually it can be buffed out. The guy is a total loser and I hope every person in the world that he knows see his photo. What a piece of toilet residue.

baddog: 3rd Feb 2006 - 19:08 GMT

Transit should be free , housing should be free, food should be free


What A WWWoonderful world IT WWWOOuuuld be!!!! A worker's paradise!


... wait a minute, I don't want to work - everything's free!

roobs: 3rd Feb 2006 - 19:15 GMT

they're both quite attractive people. canadia breeds healthy specimens and i'd rather see them make love, not war. i don't think cars should be keyed. or littering tolerated. but fighting (as long as it's consentual) has been around as long as sex or love.

kyuss: roobs quite attractive?both?are you blind?

kyuss: 3rd Feb 2006 - 19:28 GMT

nevermind if i were any of theese two i would never ever have the guts to show my face in the market again

robert: 3rd Feb 2006 - 19:31 GMT

wow you guys are so lucky where i live the guy would have just shot her

robert: 3rd Feb 2006 - 19:35 GMT

ps check the hotty in the white vest what a look aaaa ha ha ha

Shannon : 3rd Feb 2006 - 20:12 GMT

Trees are vastly more important to people. I wish I could reproduce with a mighty oak.

James: 3rd Feb 2006 - 20:22 GMT

To Oscar the Grouch - You're confusing Schizophrenia with Multiple Personality. Get it right Dude !

James: Excellent !

RailJockey: 3rd Feb 2006 - 20:54 GMT

I will have to agree with amore e biciclette when they state that Kensington Market should be car-free. The roads in there are narrow, and there is no shortage of transit around. As for this idiot throwing food on the sidewalk, he deserves everything he gets. If someone threw trash on his property I wonder what he would do. Just cuz it's the public sidewalk does not make it right. This courier did what was right, and I commend her for it.

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:02 GMT

hi i will not say my name or neither my brother's cause of security reasons,i am here because me and my family are scared to what may happen to my brother,we do not want to be harrased.so im here to answer all your questions.my brother is not a bad man

Quicksilver Union: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:10 GMT

If it was another messenger, the driver would be dead by now.

Viernes: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:10 GMT

Dude let it be. This is just normal internet too much ado about nothing and its dying already.

Media_Baron: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:11 GMT

Anybody catch the update from the Globe and Mail?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20060201/MARKET01/TPNational/Toronto

Mad Max: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:15 GMT

I cant believe all you people favour that stupid woman who instigated this whole thing. If you drive in Toronto you know how difficult and stressful it can be in traffic. The last thing you need is for some crazy eco sport bike courrier bitch to throw something back in your car after you littered. So he littred big deal, every one throws some trash out on the street sooner or later. If any one ever did that to me, escpecially some granola eating nature loving back pack dike on a bike you better believe Im gonna retaliate. who has the right to get involved in any strangers business? If any one I dont know ever had anything smart to say about me littering they better keep their thoughts to themselves, especially their actions. She's lucky she didnt get a black eye or worse knowing how messed up some people are in this town nowadays.

carl: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:29 GMT

bycicle: http://alleycat.hu/filmek/nagyfilmek/20050922-cmass-solid.mov

driver's brother: thank you for your support mad max

miss manners: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:34 GMT

Mad Max: Your Mom and Dad ought be ashamed of themselves, because they didn't raise you right.

Here are some remedial lessons for you:

1. Don't throw your trash on the ground. It's filthy and inconsiderate.
2. Don't assault people on the street, ESPECIALLY in reaction to someone else's rudeness.

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:38 GMT

but that is what leah did to my brother

miss manners: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:39 GMT

Leah was also wrong, but at least she admitted it. Your brother is an urepentant, woman-beating lout.

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:40 GMT

as you can see in the photos my brother just stomped on her bike,she was the one to use fisical force,my brother was just grabing here not to get hurt

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:42 GMT

do you see in any way miss manners in the pictures my brother hiting her face?or punching her at all,please look at the pictures he's just holding her

SonOfaBitch: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:43 GMT

Its funny how some of you would get so mad if someone put "your" trash back into your car where it came from but dont see how throwing your trash onto the streets where people live would get anyone else upset... Imagin how mad you'd be if someone from downtown drove down your suburban street and threw trash in front of your house. That was kensington market ..people live there! Believe it or not people live in the city.

driver's brother: thank you sonOfaBitch

Mike: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:46 GMT

Leah = NDP or The Good!
Motorist = Conservative or The Bad!

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:47 GMT

and actually leah threw it right at the face of my brothers wife and called her pig,i mean at least in her lap i would understand but right at her face?

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:50 GMT

obviously my brother got nervous with all this but he never NEVER had the intention of hiting her and he didnt,dont you think he woul of been charge if he did

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:53 GMT

in my brothers name i would like to apolagize to leah,we accept the fact that she doesn't,and that is ok it is her own will.and to all the people in kensington market,and he would also like to apolagize for his littering

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 21:59 GMT

if my brother was a monster a woman beater do you think he would be married?his wife can confirm on how she never got beaten by him,what if someone threw something at your loved one in the face how would you feel,honestly stop and think for a minute,my brother lost it and went for the bike,because obviously he couldn't go at her.my brother has even been home theese past days devastated constantly crying,he comes here and reads about people who wanna hurt him how do you think he feels?he is a good man

Iceman: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:01 GMT

Since when did we start to own the street (or the neigbourhood for that matter)? Are we going to become territorial and start defending it with bats and guns?
neigbour: "YOu spit on my street"
stranger: "fuck you"
neibour: "I go get my biker friends!"
stranger: "fuck you"

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:03 GMT

to finish i want to thank all the people here who supported my brother and ask the people who didn't to please think about what i said,it wasn't his fault,yes he was wrong when he littered,but as for the rest,he's not a monster.and once again sorry leah.

Iceman: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:04 GMT

If I spit/litter in Kensington, the I'm rude and irresponsible citizen. But if some bitch or malebitch comes up to me and does what SHE did, I'd smack the bitch. It's not for her to be tossing her causes in my face.

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:05 GMT

thank you ice man,and also hool,and the people behind the website

Iceman: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:08 GMT

hey 'Drivers' brother' is that you in the last picture? If it is, wanna go for a date? (ignoring the fact you have that rock that clearly shines on Hool's 7megapix camera)

oscar the grouch: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:08 GMT

see i hope your all satisfied the guy was inocent after all

driver's brother: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:11 GMT

no i wasn't there, right now i just wanna support my brother thru this hard time

Former American: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:12 GMT

You know people should just mind there own business. You never can know weapons people might have. This situation could have really turned out really bad.

oscar the grouch: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:14 GMT

this really makes me cry,im sorry everyone editor,hool people here honestly now i suddenly had a change of hart i thought this was all a joke but...im never gonna bother you guys again,sorry

Media_Baron: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:16 GMT

Adam Krawesky (aka hool) is the guy who took those photos.

He says that "Motorist" got a baseball bat from the trunk and came toward him.

A "good man"?

des: and the brother seems like a cool guy too

des: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:20 GMT

yeah what about the baseball bat though?well he said he was nervous and all those people were coming at him right so...if he didn't hit her with his fists i dont think by the end of it he would use a base ball bat,but a baseball bat in your trunk in the winter is still weird

des: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:23 GMT

well one thing is for shore,people hate me if you want but i think they showed more character,and humbleness then leah

Vancouver Cyclist: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:25 GMT

Any chance of the Morotorist and the Cyclist getting together with Hool to shoot some pictures and talking this out?

Let's assume that both are sorry for their actions.

And that we all agree that littering is ignorant but also that we all do it from time to time.

Motorists need to learn how to share the streets with cyclists,

Cyclists have to help people understand our issues.

I know I am dreaming, but it would be good to difuse all the bullshit, anger and self rightous BS.

des: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:32 GMT

bottom line people is you know you show up in the newspaper,you hear about it in the radio,over 300000 people here know about it,doesn't make you feel to confortable,for both sides,i think they need a rest this is more then over,and not to mention all of us,we even got in personal wars with each other over this,this is a lesson for all of us too...why cant we all just get along...i would like to hear peoples last thoughts over this anyway.peace to you all

Mach: 3rd Feb 2006 - 22:37 GMT

Just btw here, didnt any Ontarians catch wind of a great film called CRASH? And I dont mean Cronenbergs sleazoid celluiod number. CRASH will make
you think LONG AND HARD about incidents such as this. Mark my words, CRASH is
going to sweep the Oscars. Guess whg is doing the new James Bond flick>? Yep the same guy who gave us from CRASH.

Some people in the Indy film community
should get to together and do a dramatic re-creation and show Leah at home
"after the fight" celebrating her 'win' with friends and Asault Road Rage Guy in heated
arguments. Then show Assault Boy Bad Boy being beat up by more vigilate
toughs, Leah packing up and moving out of Kengsington to a nice quiet
spanking CLEAN neighborhood because she i snow semi-famous, then more people assaulting others for smoking,littering,speeding...all these brown shirted zero-tolerance law
and order freaks messing around like they are self-appointed Gestapo
walking around twirling batons and smiling icily at everyone. Then
as a final shot, do a slow pan zoom out of a piece of burger meat being
scooped up by a hungry bird after 10 seconds of lying on the pavement.
Then pan out to show Leah driving down a street on a bike in a suspended
moment of pure bliss...ahh a nice clean street free of cars and exhaust..
pan out to reveal she is in Beautiful British Columbia-lol


Crazy Canadians: 3rd Feb 2006 - 23:13 GMT

I thought you people were all calm in the Great White North. You sure these two aren't from Detroit?

RiTarDid: 3rd Feb 2006 - 23:18 GMT

No harm no foul on her. SOB deseved it, littering's not cool....everyone I know from other countries can't get over how clean our country is, we should be proud of it. Besides, what kinda DICK attacks a girl physically, hope he takes a few beats for that one.

Mossy: 3rd Feb 2006 - 23:20 GMT

Are you kidding? Crash was pretty lame and simplistic -- I felt like I was watching "Trapped in the Closet, Vol III"

baddog: 3rd Feb 2006 - 23:23 GMT

Crash sucks bag, the dialoge is so fuckin phony and mannered. This is a movie that is trying to be grand and important and fails horribly. I bet it wins an Oscar though. Remember that schlocky Bravehart Mel Gibson crap beat out Goodfellas.

There is nothing worse than self-important hollywood schmaltz. Total crap for brain dead idiots.

Right: 3rd Feb 2006 - 23:33 GMT

Cyclists should stay off the road. They are a danger to everybody. Catch a goddamn bus.

mikey in england: nice bike, retro is the new black!

Viceroy Snuffleupagus: 3rd Feb 2006 - 23:47 GMT

This forum discussion is an excellent example of discursive disintegration by virtue of anonymous expression. I'll explain, as this message board was an opportunity squandered. Sure, an argument can be made on behalf of the courier if you happen to believe that her behaviour was an appeal to a higher moral reality. Or, her 're-gifting' could be seen as a shallow piece of visual sanctimoniousness. Why not stop the driver and polietly point out that his littering was disrespectful? The vehicles in Kensington apparently drive slow enough. Yes, he littered, and is a rude bastard for it, and attacking a woman on a bike is pretty damn low on the pole of "Things I'm Proud to tell the Grandkids About", but she invaded his space. Sovereignty is sovereignty, even on a personal level. So they were both assholes, just in different ways. But instead of trying to find a middle road on the issue this group-blog has turned into a festival of derogatory one-up-manship, peppered with dubious speculations about various contributors sexuality. Good work. This could have been a good debate, but as usual people prefer posture and make vague, ridiculus threats. This kind of electronically channeled agression is sad and scary to witness. This site has pictures of actual violence that took place on a street known to be peaceful, and instead of reflecting on that people have decided to perpetuate the attitudes that led to that confrontation on this message board. Grow the fuck up.

bennet: 4th Feb 2006 - 00:29 GMT

I have met the blonde in white vest (she’s prettier in person). I know he doesn’t beat her but seeing these pictures showing how bad his temper is:I advise her to RUN, & fast!!! She can find a better guy.

For the motorist, I don’t blame his reaction, he was defending his fiancée & I heard the car is a brand new, what-$50,000 vehicle? No way he could’ve gotten her info to send her the paint job bills, not that the biker can afford it anyway. And hey, let’s face it, the biker assaulted the motorist first when she threw the patty to their face.

For the biker, be careful next time, someone might just pull a gun on you, for someone who pretends to care about his child’s well-being, did you stop and think what’s gonna happen to your kid if the motorist had killed you? Nice mother, cares about the environment but forgets about her kid's future.

show respect - trash has its place : 4th Feb 2006 - 00:38 GMT

Careful to "Litter do I know"
Your confrontations could lead to action not just at the scene, but both in Crimminal and Civil court. And in the end no one comes out the winner.

Picture a maniac litterbug in Region of Peel who chased down a cyclist at the next intersection after being told off about littering. That's 2 tonnes of steel which came within inches of eradicating another two wheeler. The ensuing drama resulted in a smashed windshield followed by a passenger lending a hand to grab the rear wheel, only to be struck by the trailing foot of the cyclist.

Damage: $800 for the windshield, Convicted of Mischief over $5000 and Assault with a weapon, 100 hours of Community Service, Police Record Firearm Restricted for 10 years, Civil suit for alleged back injury settled out of court for $200,000, and three law firms at various fees totalling in excess of $20k.

If this were me... everyone can do what they want with their litter. Just don't harm the cyclists, please!!!

Litter did I Know: 4th Feb 2006 - 00:53 GMT

If any Driver/person/biker throws litter on the ground/ out their window into to my path, I am always ready to regift it to them. I don't need to throw it at them but if they will not take it in their hands, I hyave and will continue to drop it in their lap. They conciously chose to litter, I conciously chose to confront them. I have a very loud voice, so unless they are immedikately repentant, I do my best to embarass the hell outta them.
A certain portion of cigarette smokers are responsible people and dont flick lighted and unlighted butts everywhere. Many smokers however do. I have zero tolerance for them. If they do it in front of me, I will confront them. The real solution is a deposit on all packaging to make people lose money if they throw out stuff. For cigarettes, i suggest $1.00 for each cigarette, $4.00 for the box and $1.00 for the plastic rapping.

Why so high? Because it will have a huge economic impact on careless, inconsiderate smokers.
We have not reached that level of conciousness yet. Perhaps one day.

Until then...non-violent verbal confrontation and regifting the litter is my practice...
The litterers might not like it as it interferes in their right to screw up the environment.

To all the people who threaten violenece against those who confront litterers. Carry on. Your threats of violence will not stop most of us. We would rather risk the violence to promote individual responsibilty to the environment. Admittedly most people live in fear, that is why the Nazis and others have been so succesful. I would rather risk violence than descend into a 'who cares about anything or anyone environment'...

...In my experience, 70% of the litterers apologize and take back their litter, the other 30%, mostly smokers really dont care. I know I cannot reach them...but the other 70% makes it all worth it.

I would personally never open a car door. I just use the windshield and wipers if the person will not open their window.

They sometime get upset...too bad...They made their choice... when they threw it out.

In this particular case, i can see many posters make some good points on how it could have been handled differently. However, it is clear the stories of the litterer are littered with poor excuses.

I have seen all manner of litter thrown out including beer bottles. I am not going to stand idly by waiting in vain for almost non existent enforcement to occur.

Yes, some cyclists need to be taking to task for their behaviour, and the majority of motorists are NOT litterers.

SO the real question is: Are you PROlitterbug or PROuse a garbage can.

I am PRO use a garbage can.

Gandhi, Martin Luther King their followers and others used non-violent confrontation to raise awareness.
Some people who are confronted will chose to respond with violence... On balance the world is a better place because Some people decide to confront publicly the social ills in our society.

And yes litter is not up there in the clouds with human rights, But if we as a society just accept it...then what sort of world will it be in 25 years... come to Asia and you can find out today.

Viernes: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:00 GMT

No the question is are you pro violent self appointed vigilantes or are you pro rule of law, that is the question...

Media_Baron: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:02 GMT

The person posting as "driver's brother" states that food was thrown in the passenger's face and that she was called a pig.

I wonder how this compares with Leah's recollection of the events...

Interesting to note that the passenger's vest, as seen in the last photo, is snow white.

A. J. Pennypacker: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:12 GMT

I have to agree with Grey Aluer on this one. of course there are some valid
points being brought up here but some of you would probably make better
cock garages than mouth pieces and should go find an inanimate object to
argue with. i hate scissors. the thing that i have failed to read about
throughout all of this frivilous blather is the impressiveness
of the guy who took the pics. way to be johnny-on-the-spot with the camera
he even got multiple angles! so quit using this topic to carry out your pathetic
arguments on religion and on being a shithead.
blue is my favorite colour and my right index finger smells like ass.

miss manners: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:20 GMT

Viernes: Excuse me, but which of the involved parties represented the "rule of the law?"

MasterK: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:24 GMT

That courier should lose her job and I hope she does. There is no way an employee should be getting into confrontations on the road like this. Would love to find her name out and publish these pics myself so that future employers can search for her name and be warned off her.

Litter did I Know: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:26 GMT

SHOW RESPECT...you raise good points... I guess because i have been trained in non-violent civil disobedience, I have never had to deal with more than verbal threats and abuse. I do not just dump the litter and run. I actually start by talking to the person who littered. I only have had to deposit the litter on the windshield twice. Most litterer take back their litter or butts and apologize.

So I guess there is an Art to non violent confrontation.... Yes being careful is important... to always act nonviolently... I would never open a person's door...i would never key a car... If the police want to charge me because I handed back a litterer's garbage or placed it on their vehicle then so be it.

I will argue my points in courts and take my punishment if necessary..

Still it is good that you raise awareness of incidents that got out of control... the details of which would reveal I am sure that the litter returner did something more than just return the litter...

Leah erred in my opinion in opening the door as this act can be perceived as a prelude to physical attack...i always make eye contact and start talking before handling back their goods/butts...

For example, one guy in a mercedes flicked a lighted butt on the ground as I am driving behind him. I picked up the butt and followed him into a hospita parking lot. i said as he exited his car "Hey, you dropped this lighted cigarette on the ground. I am sure you did it by mistake" LOUDLY... He denied it at first then admitted it. Then I suggested that he try disposing of it properly if he care even a little about others or the planet. He apologized and thank me for bringing it to his attention (i am not kidding).

Now he may continue to throw his butts out the window, or he may have changed that day.

I also can have my awareness raised by others as well. EXAMPLE: In my twenties, I used alot of plastic bags. Thanks to helpful people, I reduced the amount of plastic by reusing and use of cloth bags...and I am sure I have more things to learn from others...like how to confront in a totally kind peaceful way with no anger in my voice or heart...to have compassion for the low level of conciousness that the litterbugs have.

I am working on that...

EvilGentleman: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:31 GMT

RE: Jury

I demand a retrial, it is obvious right from the opening statements that the jury was decided before the trial, and the jury selection process was too impromptu to be properly effective.

And by the way, if some idiot argues with your sister or a good female friend in front of you and then progresses to beating her face in, I am sure she will appreciate the fact that you can inform her for the next 15 minutes that the police are on their way. I am pretty sure she will spit her remaining shattered teeth in your face for being such a blatant wimp.

You are right, we DO need more police, lots of them. I should not have to feel the need to help, but given the reality we live in, many times, guys like me are all you got. Until someone can spend the money on properly trained, reliable police that can answer all calls promptly and treat all the people they deal with equally under the law, we are stuck somewhere between a decent, law-abiding society of equals and the law of the jungle.

A final thought about how nuts we all are: If you are the jury, I suppose that makes me the executioner. Where the heck is the judge? We are all equal in our neglect of due process. I am laughing at us, and although your insults are a little too uppity and holier-than-thou for my liking, I can appreciate the fact that ours has been one of the more intelligent debates here, and it has been interesting. Truth be known, unless you ever get to know the real me, you will never truly understand me. But at least we can agree to disagree. I suspect my mind is a little more open to reality than yours, but maybe you grew up in a gated community or something. I am open to new ideas, but you seem pretty immobile in your thinking. Please use that intelligent mind of yours more openly, and you will go far. Do not eschew that which you cannot comprehend. Alternate realities DO exist in Canadian society, and disliking the poor as being lazy will not help matters, only make it worse. We do not want to live in a nation of castles and ghettos, so I think if you and I could work together to promote better education for all, we can ALL win here.

to masterK:: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:36 GMT

Why do suggest only Leah lose her job? There were two people involved in that confrontation by the looks of it! Regardless of who was right or wrong, going by your logic, it would be unreasonable to single out one party & not the other

Media_Baron: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:45 GMT

Why should the courier or the motorist lose their jobs?

Neither of them were working at the time of the incident.

mtb4ever: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:46 GMT

I've read through many of these postings and am astounded at some of your comments. On the subject of what started the whole thing - littering. Mad Max actually said, "So he littred big deal, every one throws some trash out on the street sooner or later." I totally disagree - mostly people who care only about themselves and their own convenience litter. It's that kind of ignorance that makes our communities such a mess.

The next step was Leah striking back at the motorist for littering. I admire her initiative and bravery for a noble cause, but the execution was lacking and only escalated the situation. Being reactive like that was actually an aggressive action since the litterer may not have known why the discard was coming back into the vehicle. Then it simply became Palestine vs Isreal. You hurt us so we hurt you.

Essentially nobody did the right thing throughout the altercation. Male/Female doesn't matter here in terms of their actions, other than we all may agree a guy going after a girl is generally not accepted. Two guys going at it would have been more acceptable I suppose.

More at the heart of this matter is basic social skills - which neither of these two seemed to possess. Had he not littered, she would not have had anything to throw back at him. Had she not thrown it back at him, he would have gone on his merry way; the ignorant litterer he is. Both of these two should have done something different, but they did not and the outcome was what it was. At the end of it, they were both lucky nobody really got hurt. A stomped bike and a scratched car are minor casualties in what could have been broken bodies.

As for DRIVERS BROTHER who posted in defense of his brother, well I'm sorry your brother is feeling badly about the incident, but littering is illegal and doing something illegal is bound to end in some consequence. I'll guess the real lesson here about not littering because it's wrong has been lost on him though.

Driver was wrong, Leah was wrong, and our whole society is heading down the wrong road if we accept littering as normal behavior. What's next to be whitewashed into our social fabric and accepted as normal behavior? Date rape? Beating the homeless? Taking a dump on the sidewalk because your too lazy to find a bathroom?

Bois..: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:57 GMT

Instead of taking pictures, why not go across the road and try to alleviate the situation? Sure seems like she could have used some help.

9C1: 4th Feb 2006 - 01:57 GMT

I think it would have been far more effective to have just picked up the garbage, just walk to his window, and start shaking her head. Or even better, to have him roll down his window and ask loud enough so ppl can here "Sir, is this how your mom raised you, just littering and throwing garbage everywhere like you were still at home?". Now if he threw food at her, or it hit her, then she would have been justified in throwing it back in his face.

anon (81-1-125-113.homechoice.co.uk): 4th Feb 2006 - 02:08 GMT

Darcy Tucker wannabes never gonna bes

SOMEONE GET RID OF THESE IDIOTS!: 4th Feb 2006 - 02:12 GMT

There was a good discussion going on here, until some really imature people starting posting their non-sense! Please could someone do something about this. They're ruining it for the others!

My penis measures less than 2 1/2 inches.

...: 4th Feb 2006 - 02:22 GMT

Tomorrow's Saturday. Someone may accidentally drop a meat patty or other food in Kensington.

There may be a camera nearby.


Psst, Leah...

Psst...

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show respect - trash has its place : 4th Feb 2006 - 02:23 GMT

Timmy's has to add a surcharge onto each coffee to help pay for clean-up of all the cups littering the roadside.

Their drive thrus don't work well for cyclists as well

nemolitta: 4th Feb 2006 - 02:27 GMT

grimacing hot-head will be my desktop for Feb. that way,i sure will remember 'is face eh?

sho respec - tras as its lace : i vote for incineration

howard stern: 4th Feb 2006 - 03:27 GMT

i wonder what her boobs look like. she has a hot ass.

Snidwiget: 4th Feb 2006 - 03:42 GMT

I had a vegatable patty for lunch and threw up is that littering?

Stinkdinky: I barfed zoodles once:)

Snidwiget: There was dumplin in it man I from Jamaica

opportunities: 4th Feb 2006 - 04:18 GMT

Tomorrow's Saturday. I'm sure there'll be some random single women in Kensington to assault.

Psss. Rageboy. Rageboy, there's fresh meat for you out there.

Feast.

Flowerchild: 4th Feb 2006 - 04:28 GMT

Bikers, drivers, urbanites, suburbanites, men, women, gay, straight:

Give peace a chance!

What's Really Going On Here: 4th Feb 2006 - 04:32 GMT

Many feel the attention given to this matter is as shameful as some aspects of the event itself. Certainly a few nutbars roused themselves from the backwaters from which they monitor society. Late on the scene where attention is assured, the hard-core hooligans are showing up now.

Another perspective is that society is becoming more civilized if something like throwing food on the ground is increasingly difficult to get away with. The closer people live to each other, the greater the need and responsibility to act considerately.

Technology capable of easily and cheaply recording and distributing such events far and wide, and letting everyone have a say in it, is a fine example of McLuhan's "Global Village". Despite all the litter, both literally and figuratively, this cyber-dustup is a sign of good things.

Good point SonOfaBitch made: the imbalance between expecting people to accept trash thrown in their neighbourhood, while going bananas over someone putting your own trash back in your car.

The food was in his car to begin with. What's the difference with the food being in his car again? Oh, he doesn't like how it was put back. Cry a river. It was thrown at his partner? Where's the mess on her pristine vest? Why didn't she, not him, take it up with Leah?

I have no idea of her character, but it comes to mind: "some people are only pretty on the outside". How come someone purporting to be her said he's her fiancee, and driver's brother says he's married? Could be some nuggets in that.

Good point by Vancouver Cyclist: the protagonists could get together to talk it out. Maybe over burgers and coffee. They should teach conflict resolution skills at school.

Hope to see everyone in the Critical Mass rides!

Liam: 4th Feb 2006 - 04:36 GMT

you know the worst part about this, that guy is a stupid socially irrispobsible frat boy that never grew up, and his wife is hot, that's karma for you.

Leah there are better ways to make your point than opening their car door and throwing it back in their face. That's like PETA members tossing paint on somebody with a fur coat. I agree with you that littering is wrong and this guy is an asshole for doing it, but there is no need for you to stoop to his level.


What about knocking on their window and saying "I think you dropped this?"

Leah I feel for you only because he attacked your bike, which is your pay check. Besides that you started it. You could have been the bigger person here.


Liam: 4th Feb 2006 - 04:38 GMT

that should say irresponsible...I need to fucking proof read shit before I post.

Call me, irrispobsible...: Hahahahaha

To Driver's Brother! Doing Damage Control.: 4th Feb 2006 - 05:07 GMT

I'm sure other people have said this before me, but really should your brother be glad it wasn't worse! He could have been seriously injured. Lock your car doors! If it had of been some more brutal tree hugger because there are much tougher ones than Leah walking around the market then it would have been some guy opening the door and urinating. He's lucky that he did a dumb thing and he didn't get hurt. Car scratched! I'm sure it will be someday someone will recognize it and give it a more intentional scratch off the record.

He's now the poster boy of everything ugly and wrong with Toronto. He had to step up to the microphone on this one. It was totally his decision. He left then he came back. If she was so bad and worthless then just let it go. It's true that it was very violating to have someone do that to you, but it was still not as bad as it could have been. So why did he have to come back? He didn't lose anything and infact gained some refuse.

He came back because he thought he could take her. After some thought, mind you he seems like a slow thinker already, decided that she was smaller than he was and with the element of surprise he would take out every single bad thing everyone has done to him in a couple of quick stomps on her bike. Still once those flood gates opened this powerless dude felt empowered and strong for maybe the first time in his life.

People who know him no doubt know about this and are going to be laughing at him for the rest of his life. If only there was a witness protection program for this kind of thing?

And hey Driver's Brother, stop thanking these misogynist morons for their remarks. They are not helping infact. If you can't make a post without using the word "Bitch" people are just going to write it off as just another woman hater or bike courier hater. People well universally hate crazy angry guy. Not everyone is going to forget about this. It's going to be when you least expect it, when you think it's over. Sad but true, probably moving away from Toronto is your only option. The real crazy ones (yes crazier than you) aren't posting on this board, but they've seen the pictures. They don't write they stomp too. There are far more people supporting Leah who aren't writing anything on this post than you think.

D

post your comment: It's over folks. Go home. Go home...

It's over folks. Go home. Go home...: .

Lets find out the truth - the facts: 4th Feb 2006 - 06:20 GMT

I've checked several times, so I'm not going crazy -*MY EARLIER POST WAS REMOVED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR*- I wonder why? Did I give such an unbiased, accurate (according to the police report), and sensible post that the ADMIN felt it necessary to remove it? I feel this website allows free speech, yet does not 'REALLY' allow free speech. To the administrator, PLEASE put my earlier post back on, the people deserve to read the truth, the facts!

Mach: 4th Feb 2006 - 06:47 GMT

Come to think of it what was this guy chowing on? Hamburgers, Timmies and coffee? gross...tooo much fat and carbohydrates (sugar!), Im no expert but if you ask me...thats half the problem....seriously! You are what you eat..

Bettcha Leah is a vegan...

No car No bike I TTC: G'night y'all

jp: 4th Feb 2006 - 07:53 GMT

Comparing this woman to Ghandi and Martin Luther King is ludicrous. Whipping trash back at someone violates at least the spirit of, if not the letter of, non-violent protest.

enough already: 4th Feb 2006 - 08:51 GMT

the dude apologized..(altho it would have looked a lot more sincere and courageous if he did it himself)...he made a stupid mistake, i think he's learned his lesson. unfortunately, the small army of idiots who supported him didn't. oh well, hopefully there is no next time, but if some needledick tries to do that again, the crowd will make mincemeat of him....
let's drop it, everybody go home...personally, i will not even be checking back on this particular forum again, it's getting embarassing. however, i will definitely be checking out hool's other work...how come we haven't heard of him before?

rocky jorge: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:00 GMT

what kills me from most of the people who support leah is that your probably the roomates who never do your own dishes,dont ever clean the bathroom,or the house ,who cant even fill a fuckin ice cube tray,but litter in the street just bother's you so much...the guy is a pig to but so are most peolpe here,and in your own house,so who are you to judge

requiem: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:07 GMT

To Driver's Brother! Doing Damage Control.: 4th Feb 2006 - 05:07 GMT

you know it's people like you who have to be always looking for war,the dude APOLAGIZED OK,he didn't thank people for there remarks he thanked them for there support,i mean what the fuck do you want know?it's not good enough that he apolagized ,let's fuckin crucify him,it's over allright more then over ok bush

requiem: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:17 GMT

Mach: 4th Feb 2006 - 06:47 GMT

yeah mach,and i bet that your one more of thoose trendy people just like leah,who are vegan,you drink soy milk just to say your diferent.so because somebody eats a hamburguer means there shit,you people are so great because your vegan,so your better then people who arent,what the fuck does that have to do with this debate?but since you mentioned yeah you vegans are soooo healthy,that's why you all look like bone racks,and most of you have psicological problems cause you dont get your proper nutrients,guess what?why do you think you have those big teeth in the bag of your mouth?man was intended to eat meat,but all you vegans should just loose all your teeth honestly,simply ignorant.yeah your right you are what you eat that's why you are so ignorant

to everyone who supported leah!: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:31 GMT

tomorrow saturday in kensington market, there will be a ceremony to thank leah for her achievement.all you fans are invited to worship your hero,there will also be presented a statue made out of cooper of leah,that will be right next to al waxman's statue.February 4 will also be known as ''leah day''.and free dolphin safe tuna patty's for everyone,BEEE THHEEEERRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!1

15minutes of fame: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:38 GMT

whant your 15 minutes of fame,show up in the market tomorrow and start littering

the driver is smart ,leah isn't: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:42 GMT

PEOPLE,the driver has a car,and a hot girl,it show he is an educated person,leah is just a low life carrier obviously she is the ignorante one

seriously dude: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:46 GMT

according to sun tv's a-list ben mulroney,has said that there has been talking about leah,going back in time in a capsule to be part of a cameo on al waxman's king of kensington.is this true?

people: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:52 GMT

PEOPLE,the driver has a car,and a hot girl,it show he is an educated person,leah is just a low life carrier obviously she is the ignorante one

I dont know where to start about this.
Its true that bike couriers take a certain type, but to come to that conclusion is premature based solely on occupation or income.

No offense but I know a couple couriers some have a highschool diploma, and others a university degree.
Most of them didnt like the normal 8-4 shift, managers overhead, being limited indoors and decided to do something even though it might have reduced their previous income greatly.

Viernes: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:55 GMT

To miss manners: None, you are completly missing the point. Aparently from your perspective the only possible stance to take about an incident such as this is to side with one of the parties involded. False. Both did things that were wrong and I do not support either of them. But we have laws,institutions and concepts designed to deliver justice while minimizing the posibility of transgresion against our freedoms. Due process, habeas corpus, the separation of powers, the presuntion of innocence. Throwing a half eaten pattty inthe ground is disgusting but does not imperil our freedoms. Deciding that you are somehow entitled to take justice into your own hands whenever you feel your values are being threatened does imperil our freedoms. Those supporting this theory may think about leaving Canada which is a democracy and move to a totalitarian theocratic country where such behaviour is amply condoned, of course they may then find the hard way what the triumph of their thesis really implies.

seriously dude: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:57 GMT

WHY WE HAVENT HEARD OF HOOL BEFORE
we havent heard of hool before because he's one of those dudes who likes to keep it on the down low,work like undecover and shit.HOOL im raelly sorry to hear the toronto star ripped you off,you should sue those fucks,boost up you carrer.or im totaly in if you wanna go down there and burn there fuckin building down,or beat the shit out of the editor or the guy who did the story,anyway great photos hool cheers dude!!!

moonbean: 4th Feb 2006 - 11:06 GMT

everybody at the moonbean at 10 o'clock allright i wanna see everybody there from hool to evil gentelman to viernes to miss maners to ice man to that crazy oscar the grouch,to mr detroit ,canadians rock even leah let's be there 10 o'clock

moonbean: 4th Feb 2006 - 11:10 GMT

people: 4th Feb 2006 - 10:52 GMT

hum let me see UNIVERSITY DIPLOMA,and the best you can come up with is bike courier?let me think a office job good money,or freezing my ass off,rain pooring on me,geting tired as fuck,smog in the summer ,shit money,humm...i think i will be a bike courier...guah

lunes: hey viernes wanna meet for coffee?

Viernes: 4th Feb 2006 - 13:19 GMT

Lunes get on the line Sabado and domingo are in front of you...

lunes: 4th Feb 2006 - 13:35 GMT

i was just asking you for a coffee,nevermind i will just ask miercoles

anon (pool-70-110-175-85.phil.east.verizon.net): 4th Feb 2006 - 13:41 GMT

the motorist is a dick. plain and simple. he did a dicky thing, and he got called on it. and then the prick couldn't handle the retribution and had to beat on a girl. super dick, super loser. more people should stand up to complete assholery such as displayed by that motorist. sub-humans who throw their trash in the street get what's coming to them.

veggieburger: 4th Feb 2006 - 14:56 GMT

this guy is a jerk, anyone who litters is a jerk. our earth is paying because of people like him

Fragthemall.: 4th Feb 2006 - 15:21 GMT

I am curently working on a mod for Counter Strike called "Kengsinton Market". It is a "Patty defusing " scenario. Litterbugs versus Vigilantes. The Ulock armed Vigilantes try to prevent the baseball bat toting litterbugs from setting them up the patty. It promises to be geat. You can choose among several Litterbug groups(such as the Suburbans,The White Vest Posse, And the Oil Burners) and vigilante groups(The Ganja Kourierhood, Eco-sluts, and the Unshaven Armpits Massive) Any ideas and suggestions are welcome!!

tom fryer: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:00 GMT

Good photograph's hope he goes to jail were he be longs this man is a violent person .

NTH: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:05 GMT

all you people dissing couriers because we're apparently stupid or uneducated or whatever are the real ignorant ones. The world would be a better place if people didn't crave the comfort of an office or otherwise sedentary job. Physical labour is humbling, it keeps us in great shape, and in touch with what REALLY makes the world go 'round: PHYSICAL WORK. You fuckers that sit at a desk managing 'information' of one kind or another are fucking useless. When our bullshit economy crashes and you have to live by your wits, you'll be fucked. I can't wait. Oh yeah, LEARN TO SPELL. Fuck You. Leah you rock.

the boss: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:19 GMT

NTH: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:05 GMT
that is why you people with physical work act so violently,your frustraded with your job,should of had gone to school like smart people do,what?your gonna be a courier forever?own anything in your life?Leah rocks to you because she is a inspiration for you low lives,what did she achieve to rock?you ''PEOPLE''are just amazed by ignorant acts.now if you excuse me i have a meeting to attend.

Both sides: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:20 GMT

To Coachrob59 ... just wanted to point out that you fit in one the of the many groups you laid out and that group would be 15) The "people who didn't proof read their post" group. Can you find the error in this sentence of yours? "In the eyes of the world, Canadians has always been thought as clean, polite and friendly, for the most part."

And to Taylor192, you stated: "Smokers are the worst offenders for littering and I look forward to the Ontario wide ban this May. In California smoking has been banned from public beaches for litter, not health. Clean up your act, or next time you flick a butt, if it somehow 'bounces' back and hits you, remember who threw it first." Although this issue of BANNING SMOKING is completely off topic on this particular blog, in defense of smokers, of which I am one, it is not illegal to smoke in general; it is illegal to smoke in certain places. So with that said, providing ashtrays in places where I am ALLOWED to smoke would prevent this terrible littering I am apparently doing to you and your vehicle.


the boss: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:24 GMT

ps:you ''PEOPLE''should not even be allowed to express your opinions cause you just ain't got the i.q for it.and as for economy crashing?what world are you livin in?who do you think leah and people like you work for....me,so if we go down you go down...ignorance is bliss,when it is pure to be wise

the man in the yellow hat: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:26 GMT

Please, as the 2nd cousin of the girl in the white vest, I ask, "can't we all get along?" If we all had a monkey at home to touch and carress, this madness would never have happened!

Eduardo: Hurray for Leah!

wake up!: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:29 GMT

have you people forgoten there is people out there to pick up the shit,garbage people,the guy that goes around in the machine pickin up the garbage with the vacuum sucker,i pay the taxes for those people,if i didnt litter they wouldn't even have a job,so i will continue littering

the boss: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:33 GMT

by the way COURIER i got a package to be delivered so get your ass over here

ned from philly: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:37 GMT

she shouldn't be riding on the road anyways! listen sometimes these things happen
people don't always want to..i like it when i am wiping my ass and my finger
rips through the paper and goes into my canal. because it is unintentional it
feels like a stranger is calling, and i am always one for company.

Drew from philly: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:47 GMT

Ned, Ned Turner is that you? this is Drew from Ridgemont High.
I agree people forget that this is a free world but bikes aren't
aloud on the sidewalk even if you could physically fit my whole
sack into your mouth you would have to bury your nose deep into
my ass crest to which point it may become hard to breath

NTH: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:48 GMT

Dear "boss", I haven't the time or inclination to explain what happens when you pay a debt with a debt, erode industry, or use 'fiat' currency. If you don't understand such things then you're obviously not as on top of the world as you like to think. Or maybe you enjoy being in debt slavery as a way of life, and don't see anything wrong with our fascist banking dictatorship. By the way, I don't rely on the business world (granted messengering does at this time), yes I own things, and yes I do other things besides messenger. If you go down, I most certainly will not...cheerio

lets get serious: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:53 GMT

This topic is quickly diminishing. People are starting to get rude and stupid this is a serious forum that can be used to express important opinions within society. If you don't have something important to say or intelligible don't say it at all. but Ned does bring up a good point.

Jury Member #3, After Evil Gentleman's Trial: 4th Feb 2006 - 16:53 GMT

[Toronto Tar Reporter] "Why did you decide to convict in the end? Everyone was sitting on pins and needles, waiting for you and the rest of the jury to come back from its deliberations. Since it took nearly two days to reach a verdict, some of the members must have had serious reservations about convicting in this case. Would you care to comment?"

[Jury Member #3] "Well, yes, I can only speak for myself here, not the others on the panel. What I will say is that the accused was given a fair trial and did a spectacular job representing himself. However in end, we had no choice but to convict based on the overwhelming evidence against him. First off, the accused did not raise the defense of citizen's arrest, in restraining Mr. Shyt. Second, we couldn't find any evidence that suggested he even was effecting a citizen's arrest, based upon his own testimony. So in the end result, I guess, we just felt that what this accused was doing, was usurping the role of the police, and worse, used his imposing physical stature to seriously injure Mr. Shyt. Nobody could find favour with Mr. Gentleman in the end, and I think the consensus on the panel, was that he was a thug. Of course, nobody on the panel really felt much sympathy for Mr. Shyt, either. However, in the end, we had to apply the law, and convict."

[Toronto Tar Reporter] "You do realize that this conviction has sparked some outrage amongst women's rights groups, who claim that what you’ve decided opens the door to wide-spread public beatings of women, for which bystanders will now think twice about getting themselves involved in."

[Jury Member #3] "I know that I certainly took into account any 'chill' effect which could cascade into the public consciousness from our verdict. However, I don't believe that those causing disturbances in public, whether assaulting someone or otherwise, ought to think for a moment that they now have any greater sense of security, as from being apprehended and brought to justice for their actions, as a result of what we have decided here today, in the case of Mr. Gentleman. If someone behaves in a reckless manner in a wide-open public space, there are usually plenty of people around who are willing to effect a proper citizen's arrest, plenty of people with cellphones that can report such incidents virtually immediately to police, and plenty of police forces who consider an assault in progress as a level 1 emergency, which take priority over all other calls."

[Toronto Tar Reporter] "So you don't have anything to say directly to the women's rights groups who take issue with this verdict?"

[Jury Member #3] "I personally do not. As you know, there were women on the jury panel as well. I think that one of the reasons that we had to grapple with this case for almost two days, is precisely because we needed to consider a variety of things here. However, in the end, as I already said, we needed to apply the law - and I believe that we did that, and we did that properly."

[Toronto Tax Reporter} “What do you feel would be an appropriate sentence for Mr. Gentleman? Do you have any comment on that?”

[Jury Member #3] “No, I again personally, do not. I trust that the judge will deal with Mr. Gentleman fairly, and mete out a sentence which is appropriate.”

[Toronto Tar Reporter] "Well, thank you very much for speaking with us."

[Jury Member #3] "Thank you"

xen: 4th Feb 2006 - 17:45 GMT

The environmental damage caused by littering doesn't compare to that caused by car spew. It's ugly, but does a good job of showing city goers what happens when you jam millions of people together. That trash goes somewhere when you throw it in the garbage; anti-litter folk just want to forget about it. Too bad more people don't have the guts to ride bikes; no one can make them, but we can remind them how sweet it is to be athletic and sexually dexterous.

Peter: 4th Jun 2008 - 14:59 GMT

this post lives on: www.torontolife.com/features/all-rage

Jamie: 4th Jun 2008 - 15:33 GMT

good on toronto life for not stealing hool's photos toronto star style

hae eun yi: wow

EvilGentleman: 14th Jul 2008 - 08:18 GMT

Two years and a few months later, this article still defines several different conflicts in a way that few if any articles can.

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The article that brought me to . At first, I was so frustrated when I was cut off from being able to respond to certain posts at the end of the article when the comments were locked. Today, I read back over the silly we had and all I can do is laugh, both at myself and others.

In retrospect, only two injustices truly remain unresolved. The motorist was never properly identified and charged, and hool was never properly compensated for the use of his pictures by the .

Heavyd: I enjoy reading the story to my students

JT: 29th Sep 2008 - 05:16 GMT

As another cyclist I say to hell with that guy, but I also have a concealed carry permit, it simply wouldn't have gone that far, and if I had my wish there would be one less asshole on earth. Oh, I'm also a Marine, I could use martial arts training but I opt for death sentence when threatened by the stupid.

gio: 30th Sep 2008 - 22:03 GMT

when u throw garbage into a car ur just asking for trouble sry to say

JC: 6th Oct 2008 - 17:59 GMT

I remember when I was young my dad did the same thing! He put trash back in the window of a guy's car who had just thrown it out. The guy didn't get out and fight him like that though, he just opened his door and pushed the trash out again. I couldn't believe there were people like that when I saw it! Now of course I know there are millions of them.

Joey: 19th Nov 2008 - 00:14 GMT

.. and that's why I ride with a fat chain. Not only is it a decent bike lock, but a pretty effective melee weapon as well. Clock that fucker in the back of the head, make him go blind.. one less asshole on the road.

messenger: 20th Jan 2009 - 21:19 GMT

Yeah, seems like she would have kicked his ass if she was able to get off the bike! Fucking pissess me off that assholes like that guy gets away with shit like this!

anon (24.106.225.249): 24th Mar 2009 - 23:41 GMT

That guy needs to be made an example of on the grounds of
1. Littering (it's illegal)
2. dis-respect for human kind and the environment
3. for being a F$%^&ing asshole.

I hope someone recognizes this guy and his vehicle and fills it with garbage coffee cups and then beats the shit out of him with a bike rim.

ALex: 26th Mar 2009 - 04:11 GMT

I still think the messenger won this fight, in this case. Tough guy man, I don't know how great I'd feel TRYING to beat up a WOMAN, and then having it all caught on camera! Go and run and tell all the boys how tough you were out there today, you truly deserve it. I hope this fucks his life up, too many pompous assholes these days think that they are all that.

thomsonpost: 28th May 2009 - 00:47 GMT

I'm lost as to why the courier thought throwing the food back into the vehicle was a wise choice. She knew it was going to incite anger, that's the sole reason she did it. Too bad about the whole thing. I am not, and would not defend the drivers point of view, but the food back into the window really was uncalled for.

Sambabulli: 28th May 2009 - 18:48 GMT

I'm going to go out on a limb and wager he was yelling at his girlfriend, flinging his food around (or grabbed hers from her) and in a fit of rage tossed it out the window. He appears like she already pissed him off to the boiling point.

Then his car door opens and he's handed his trash back ... then we see the outcome.

I believe the courier was in the wrong. If there were damaged done by her, she should be liable.
I believe the girlfriend is covering for the situation. If she really wants to pay for the courier's bike, perhaps she should educate herself on the cost of bicycles, and pay for any counseling that may come out of her boyfriend's attack?
I believe the driver/rager should spend some time in a confined environment.

Ultimately, I think the girlfriend is already being victimized by the boyfriend. She'll never admit it here - but he's thrown her around 'for good measure' at least a few times, otherwise, she wouldn't be so concerned with people finding fault, but instead would be making a stand against statements that he is abusive.

lessthanenough: 13th Jul 2009 - 21:11 GMT

What I miss in this discussion is the difference in vulnerability between the two parties. If you are on bicycle you are much more vulnerable than in your big-ass SUV. This gives you a different position. If you are already on the top of your nerves from looking out for unintentional threads to your life, any intentional thread, however how minor, will have a much stronger emotional impact on you than when you are save in your cookie jar on wheels. Logically you will react more strongly.

By the way, police don't like it when people do their job. They don't want to get unemployed.

lessthanenough: 13th Jul 2009 - 21:18 GMT

morethanenough: 1st Feb 2006 - 18:06 GMT

Forget about banning handguns and the gun registry, these SUV drivers are a threat to the very roots of our civilization. They should all be subject to detailed and thorough background and psychiatric checks, registered with a central registry and kept under lock and key when not deployed in strictly controlled and supervised circumstances. It seems more often than not they are are liable to go off "half cocked" at the very slightest perceived slight, real or imagined, as well as just about anything else that happens to annoy them.

It's difficult to believe that anyone could support this Neaderthaler when he basically dressed up in combat fatigues, went looking for a fight, intentionally provoked some poor working girl with a real job and then threw gasoline on the fire until (predicatbly) it exploded in his face.

These SUVies all seem to have an excessive amount of psychotic antisocial antagonism toward their fellow citizens, think they are saints on earth and that they are exempt from all of society's rules. Is it any wonder most of us want a few tons of steel orbidden to protect us from fanatically deluded half wit idiots like this?

As far as I am concerned, these types of peopel pose a far greater hazzard to all of us than litter in the cars and given the choice, I'll take a bit of litter in my car any day rather than have to endure this sort of nasty, mean spirited and undisciplined behaviour.

rashanda: 29th Sep 2009 - 14:06 GMT

wow that is crazy how could a person be that agrressive wit someone when they haven't even done anything

bike commuter: 20th Oct 2009 - 03:40 GMT

What motorists don't realize is that us cyclists have and always will have an advantage against them in these ridiculous conflagrations.

Take the douche who yells something from his car. He did so impulsively without considering the traffic ahead because moving at the higher speeds in a car one has less time to contemplate. Me on the other hand, at 20 mph I'm taking the insult/piece of thrown whatever and already looking ahead "is this guy going to get boxed in at the next light?" I can get on the sidewalk and catch up to him while he's stuck for just 10 or 20 valuable seconds in which I can unload all of my daily insults at him while reminding him he's not a man and not goign to get out of the car so just take it, and then ride away, possibly getting so far ahead he cant get to me in traffic. Or in the case of a thrown object, kick his side view mirror off and then go back the way I came from while he's stuck pointing where we were going. Not that I've done anything like that before *cough*

Rob: 13th Nov 2009 - 20:27 GMT

I'm not so sure anyone who commutes daily in a car has any moral high ground to criticize anyone else using the road. As someone who rides a motorcycle every day, rain or shine, I can't help but feel sympathy for this bicyclist.

88 Years Old: 6th Jan 2010 - 18:55 GMT

It's so cowardly to attack a woman in that way, regardless of the reason.

The Beast: 27th Jan 2010 - 03:04 GMT

You folks seem to have your head up your fourth point of contact. The courier threw food into the motorists automobile. His not having a right to litter does not give her a right to litter.

Further, she deliberately scratched his automobile with a key. She had no right to damage his property. She instaged the confrontation and she escalated it. She was pretty much begging to be beaten as hard as he wished to beat her and for as long as he wished to beat her.

I hope her beating was of a sort to teach her a lesson, or else nothing good can come from the incident. I fear it may have been to mild a beating to have been effective.

Not so beastly: 30th Jan 2010 - 02:29 GMT

"The courier threw food into the motorists automobile"

It was his food. That'll teach him to litter.

JCL4: 30th Mar 2010 - 14:16 GMT

The whole thing is insane! Yup the guy is wrong to throw food out of the car. Yup the girl is wrong to toss it back into his car. Yup the guy is wrong to exit his car and begin an altercation with the girl. etc etc etc - If the girl sees the guy toss his food out of the car, get the plate number - phone it into the police - follow up with a statement to police (if you feel that strongly about littering) and skip the self-righteous drama. Problem solved!!! Road-rage my ass!!! this is nothing more than a case of two ego-maniacs disturbing the peace.

anon (S01060024017683d5.ok.shawcable.net): Wow

Gunnar: 31st May 2010 - 13:26 GMT

Yes, of course, "not a bad man", just take a look at his face. Pure love and understanding. No one was right here, but this guy is still a coward. Period.

Michelle: 24th Jun 2010 - 02:39 GMT

You know, when I came across this post back in 2006 that's when I started frequenting citynoise...

steve: fuck canada

Chad: 11th Nov 2010 - 19:00 GMT

Anyone know how to contact the photographer of these pics? I'm hoping to get permission to use them in an MTV special on cyclists and drivers issues...
thanks

Chad: 15th Nov 2010 - 15:05 GMT

email me at chad.barclay@ctv.ca if you do know thanks

Tsiongky: 20th Nov 2010 - 01:38 GMT

Tsk tsk ....the motorist should've just let her go (in a tough neighborhood they could easily have roughed him up for picking on a girl). Worked the mean streets of Manila during my bicycle messengering days...this situation could've turned ugly for the motorist. As for the fenale courier she was probably still a newbie...and could've defused the situation by apologizing.

Tsiongky: 20th Nov 2010 - 20:30 GMT

Ok ok...after having read most of but not all the comments here I change my previous comment. The courier is definitely an FNG. She should have let enough alone and gone on with her business BUT too bad she didn't and I bet now she knows better. As for the motorist he should have instead taken it out on the courier's bike rendering it useless and depriving the courier of her livelihood temporarily BUT he didn't and took it out on the courier instead AND luckily for him this incident was not in a tough neighborhood or he could've been roughed up ugly.

trublue: 3rd Feb 2011 - 18:09 GMT

What a Man! How cool to be that guy, i wonder if he went home with a smile on his face knowing he did the right thing. i imagine he would because people like that really understand how to do the right thing, he made a mistake, and someone simply, creativley corrected. i hope he chokes on his next coffee (i know its a liquid) or gets cancer.

courier-pages.co.uk: 21st Feb 2011 - 15:10 GMT

OMG - that guy is mental! He was in the wrong, and then attacked that poor courier?! Dude needs help.

Kenneth E. Spence: 14th May 2011 - 03:27 GMT

http://www.weareplica.com/ed-hardy-replicas-1746.html i want beat him

Best Photos: 16th May 2011 - 08:45 GMT

Too much done by the guy. Where is the humanity heading towards?

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mac dreeezy: 11th Jul 2011 - 00:27 GMT

maaaynne, more cyclists need to pack heat.. i always ride strapped with my piece in the back of my pants, extra clip under the seat with my spare tube haha if that fool tried to pull that shit on me he'd have a .45 up in his face like that. and if he stomped on my bike like he's doin in that one photo i'd have pistol whipped that motherfucker's teeth out then put some holes in his ride.. people think a car gives them the right to do anything they want, but shit, not like a gun does haha

what he shouldve done: 8th Aug 2011 - 09:21 GMT

First off- they are both wrong.

I just wonder if when he littered his intentions or his garbage was aimed at the cyclist. If it wasnt directed at her for littering its called a ticket. I have gotten one before for ripping a parking ticket and tossing it in front of the issuing police officer (before you judge, I won both tickets in court). Now why didn't the police officer in my situation take the ticket and throw it back in my face?
because obviously; he was smarter. Same way the cyclist had alternative measures she could have taken.

It was wrong of the cyclist to take matters in to her own hands and throw it in his car, she is honestly very Lucky the driver doesn't know how to release his anger in a controlled manner. There are people just like him who have learned more control over how they release their anger but still don't let shit slide they premeditate there revenge based on the following one or more:

Their actions will be the last in ones to put an end to the situation

Done in an way where they wouldn't be caught or liable for their actions.

Maximum revenge possible with little liability.

Challenged cyclist to well thought out plan where most likely she would easily be harming her self.

After going through this he might become one of those people you better watch out for cyclist, because most likely next he wont snap the way he did this time, but he most likely will still want to get even and will just make it more convenient and an easier process for him.

ElStellino: 30th Sep 2011 - 19:14 GMT

Honestly, everybody is against him but:
after she scratched his car, what was he supposed to do? Stop her and kindly ask for her name and telephone number?
She has been bitch and she deserved it, full stop. (and I hope "bitch" will come out on bold too)
I've seen too people dumping stuff from their cars, but I limited myself at insulting them or telling them up, not at throwing back the litter:

1st because 99% of the time I am in rush and I have something else to do
2nd because you never know what the reaction of the idiot could be

Here we saw what a reaction can be, and we saw all the rest that came afterwards.

You are all on one part because you ride a bicycle... Well, so what? I ride it too, but I own a car as well and if somebody keys up a car (just a car, it doesn't need to be mine) this somebody will seriously regret it. And trust me, they will never do it again. It's one of the most vile offenses.

I hope that both got what they deserved because they are both guilty of something.

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Suzy Frame: 13th Dec 2012 - 17:56 GMT

This is quite interesting! I had no clue that courier toronto got into such a fight like this! Or why they would get in one like this? Thanks for sharing!

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